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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 28 juill. 2022
Publié: 28 juill. 2022
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28 juill. 2022 à 17 h 54
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That might get Chevy talking if he is thinking of trading Dubois now. I would push for Dach instead of Dvorak if I were Chevy though.

Thanks for making a realistic proposal though.
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28 juill. 2022 à 17 h 54
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Moving Barron for a center is a poor choice, your right side is aging and not very good as it is, don't throw away your only prospect to get a guy who is probily going to sign with you in free agency already
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28 juill. 2022 à 17 h 56
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No, Barron's a non starter
We took less then was on the table specifically to get "a player who is young but just looking to enter the NHL " as per Hughes post Lehkonen trade.
Said he coulda got more in terms of picks but thought this was the deal that addressed his needs

Makes no sense at all given the Production Dvorak put up under MSL
Makes more sense to wait until next summer after his Trade Value's grown
Otherwise we're just giving him away when he finally found a coach who plays him right

It's like trying to stop a sinking ship by making holes
The idea of getting Dubois this year just makes no sense
Especially with the top Centers in this years draft in Bedard and Fantilli(my fav)


End of the day Were not in a position to take him this year
Its actually better for us after Caufields signed given we'll have to over pay Dubois undervingly (done less then Suzuki in twice as long)
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28 juill. 2022 à 18 h 3
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Isles do not have the cap or roster space to take on Dadanov.
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28 juill. 2022 à 20 h 31
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I just read an article comparing a Dubois trade to Trouba trade a few years ago.

Jets got Pionk and a 1st for Trouba. Barron and a 1st should be enough for Dubois.

Add 4-6M in cap going back to Winnipeg and i think we got a deal. Probably Hoffman.

If they want Dvorak or Anderson instead of Hoffman, MTL keep the 1st rounder.
28 juill. 2022 à 20 h 34
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No, Barron's a non starter
We took less then was on the table specifically to get "a player who is young but just looking to enter the NHL " as per Hughes post Lehkonen trade.
Said he coulda got more in terms of picks but thought this was the deal that addressed his needs

Makes no sense at all given the Production Dvorak put up under MSL
Makes more sense to wait until next summer after his Trade Value's grown
Otherwise we're just giving him away when he finally found a coach who plays him right

It's like trying to stop a sinking ship by making holes
The idea of getting Dubois this year just makes no sense
Especially with the top Centers in this years draft in Bedard and Fantilli(my fav)


End of the day Were not in a position to take him this year
Its actually better for us after Caufields signed given we'll have to over pay Dubois undervingly (done less then Suzuki in twice as long)


Would you rather have Barron or Dubois? Who's the better player? I think it's Dubois by far. Barron will be a good 2nd pair RHD.

I'd give Barron and a 1st for Dubois if Winnipeg takes a salary back, probably Hoffman.
28 juill. 2022 à 23 h 4
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I think most Habs fans want PLD, it's just too early. Next year or in free agency the next.
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29 juill. 2022 à 16 h 41
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Would you rather have Barron or Dubois? Who's the better player? I think it's Dubois by far. Barron will be a good 2nd pair RHD.

I'd give Barron and a 1st for Dubois if Winnipeg takes a salary back, probably Hoffman.


Barron , not even a hard question
Dubois wont sign term before he's a UFA
Absolutely no upside in paying a lot up front just to go to UFA market anyways

If Dubois wasnt demanding more the Suzuki then sure i'd be more interested
But with Caufields 22 goals and 35 points in 37 games under MSL(better then LAF career best)
I just dont see a scenario where bringing Dubois in before we atleast sign him makes sense.


Even if it did make sense
No i dont want a Center who is a poor man's Danault
He has 2 inconsistent years then a good one followed by a Trade Demand
We're not really interested in that non sense IMO

If its me and im overpaying for a Center Prospect i'd be looking at Horvat honestly
Multi 20 goal seasons with 4 /8seasons with 50 plus points to Dubois 2/5
But where he differs is consistency in Goal scoring and top 10 NHL Faceoff Center ability

He's what everyone pretends Dubois can be
He's a UFA this summer and fits our needs way better long term if he re-signs
He's actually be an upgrade on Danault instead of just a poor mans Danault like Dubois
29 juill. 2022 à 16 h 47
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I think most Habs fans want PLD, it's just too early. Next year or in free agency the next.


Personally i'd be happier signing Sam Steel
He's just as likely to make it as a decent faceoff center one day as Dubois
Dubois is basically a great Power Forward but Suzuki's leapfrogged him by year 3 in faceoff Center ability
Dubois seems like he lacks work ethic more then anything else as Suzuki only takes 4-6 weeks off a year
Rest of the time he's training in London with the next generation giving back with those the Hunter Brothers deem worthy
(they did the same thing for Suzuki with Marner as they trained together 2 summers)

Couturier does the same thing here in New Brunswick for the Q team
Many Centers do as it allow them to get practice and develop their Faceoff strategy's
Dubois i guarantee is someone who takes his full vacation and doesnt do that (and it shows)

Just saying if he wasnt french we'd not be considering him TBH
30 juill. 2022 à 2 h 20
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Barron , not even a hard question
Dubois wont sign term before he's a UFA
Absolutely no upside in paying a lot up front just to go to UFA market anyways

If Dubois wasnt demanding more the Suzuki then sure i'd be more interested
But with Caufields 22 goals and 35 points in 37 games under MSL(better then LAF career best)
I just dont see a scenario where bringing Dubois in before we atleast sign him makes sense.


Even if it did make sense
No i dont want a Center who is a poor man's Danault
He has 2 inconsistent years then a good one followed by a Trade Demand
We're not really interested in that non sense IMO

If its me and im overpaying for a Center Prospect i'd be looking at Horvat honestly
Multi 20 goal seasons with 4 /8seasons with 50 plus points to Dubois 2/5
But where he differs is consistency in Goal scoring and top 10 NHL Faceoff Center ability

He's what everyone pretends Dubois can be
He's a UFA this summer and fits our needs way better long term if he re-signs
He's actually be an upgrade on Danault instead of just a poor mans Danault like Dubois


I think Dubois is definitly the better player.

He knows he won't get more than Suzuki if he signs in MTL.

It's not fair to compare Dubois to Danault, they're 2 totally different players. Suzuki is more like Danault, with better hockey IQ.

Dubois is a big goal scorer. He's mean, and would play a more physical game than Suzuki.

Dubois and Suzuki would be the perfect 1/2C combo.
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31 juill. 2022 à 7 h 54
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I think Dubois is definitly the better player.

He knows he won't get more than Suzuki if he signs in MTL.

It's not fair to compare Dubois to Danault, they're 2 totally different players. Suzuki is more like Danault, with better hockey IQ.

Dubois is a big goal scorer. He's mean, and would play a more physical game than Suzuki.

Dubois and Suzuki would be the perfect 1/2C combo.


You havent given me a reason why a Winger who slots in at Center but cant do anything that Defines a Center at the Pro level is a Center.
Thats like me calling Gallagher a Center who's 42.9% faceoff win rate isnt that much worse then Dubois literally 2-3% behind him
Different sample size 100% but that's because no one's daft enough to play Gally at Center despite being a solid and more consistent goal scorer

I get what you're trying to say
You're arguing as if im saying PLD is a Crap Player
He's not , he's a very good Winger who can take secondary draws
But he FAILED in 2 orgainzation to step up
Dylan Strome at a similar age/experience on his 2nd team and they didnt QO him after a career high goals and Center Metrics
Not the only one either as plenty of young talent like Sam Steel faced the same situation despite being a good Center he was inconsistent middle 6 option
Colin White was bought out and is almost as bad at Center as PLD

Difference between PLD and all them?
PLD is a good player being weighed down by a Position that isnt his role.
His role is Andersons aka battling along the boards and shooting alot playing Selfish Hockey to create Rebounds for teammates
You NEED guys like that , you just cant shove a square piece into a round hole
 
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