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Équipe: 2022-23 Blue Jackets de Columbus
Date de création initiale: 26 juill. 2022
Publié: 26 juill. 2022
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      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 19
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      I doubt Boston does that.
      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 27
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      Boston doesn’t do this and kuraly tells you to kick rocks. He’s from cbj and doesn’t want to leave. Hence the full ntc
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      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 27
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      Tarasov needs to play, thats why we signed Korpi...
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      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 37
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      Quoting: sens65
      I doubt Boston does that.

      If they don't do that they aren't going to trade him and lose him for nothing. But great analysis on your part. Jack Eichel got less.

      Quoting: The_Cannon
      Boston doesn’t do this and kuraly tells you to kick rocks. He’s from cbj and doesn’t want to leave. Hence the full ntc

      He doesn't have a full NTC.

      Quoting: Konkarsson
      Tarasov needs to play, thats why we signed Korpi...

      Literally what does this mean? Tarasov is injured, may or may not be ready for start of year. Korpisalo gets traded at deadline, Tarasov would be ready to go by then. He'll be backing up next season and will have plenty of time to play in the minors once he's back from injury.
      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 39
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      Quoting: Banana
      If they don't do that they aren't going to trade him and lose him for nothing. But great analysis on your part. Jack Eichel got less.


      He doesn't have a full NTC.


      Literally what does this mean? Tarasov is injured, may or may not be ready for start of year. Korpisalo gets traded at deadline, Tarasov would be ready to go by then. He'll be backing up next season and will have plenty of time to play in the minors once he's back from injury.


      Sorry. But I bet Arizona is still on it. Plus the team and coach absolutely love him. Perfect 4c.
      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 41
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      Quoting: The_Cannon
      Sorry. But I bet Arizona is still on it. Plus the team and coach absolutely love him. Perfect 4c.


      He makes 2.5 playing on the 4th line. Trade him literally anywhere. I'm sure plenty teams would want him if he's such a good guy. Come off it.

      Like you do understand how cap works right? Like you need it to become better. Kuraly doesn't make this team better in any impactful way and can be easily replaced and adding 2mil to cap space. Do you care at all about becoming a good hockey team or do you only care about meaningless "feel good" stories?
      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 47
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      Can’t put conditions on a player signing a deal
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      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 47
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      Pasta is worth way more with an extension in place, without one CBJ wouldn’t be interested. Why trade away rentals to bring in another?

      Kuraly is a real good 4C, so don’t see him becoming a cap dump anytime soon.
      Quoting: Banana
      If they don't do that they aren't going to trade him and lose him for nothing. But great analysis on your part. Jack Eichel got less.


      He doesn't have a full NTC.


      Literally what does this mean? Tarasov is injured, may or may not be ready for start of year. Korpisalo gets traded at deadline, Tarasov would be ready to go by then. He'll be backing up next season and will have plenty of time to play in the minors once he's back from injury.


      Tarasov needs to play in games, not sit on the bench, that’s why he’s better served in Cleveland while Korpi sits on the bench in Columbus.
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      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 50
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      Quoting: Banana
      If they don't do that they aren't going to trade him and lose him for nothing. But great analysis on your part. Jack Eichel got less.


      He doesn't have a full NTC.


      Literally what does this mean? Tarasov is injured, may or may not be ready for start of year. Korpisalo gets traded at deadline, Tarasov would be ready to go by then. He'll be backing up next season and will have plenty of time to play in the minors once he's back from injury.


      Or...you know...they can just sign him to a new contract.
      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 50
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      Quoting: Banana
      He makes 2.5 playing on the 4th line. Trade him literally anywhere. I'm sure plenty teams would want him if he's such a good guy. Come off it.

      Like you do understand how cap works right? Like you need it to become better. Kuraly doesn't make this team better in any impactful way and can be easily replaced and adding 2mil to cap space. Do you care at all about becoming a good hockey team or do you only care about meaningless "feel good" stories?


      No one is taking his cap dump, and the human aspect has to be considered as well. The Jackets already made a deeply unpopular move in trading Bjorkstrand. Kuraly's a PR dream and I'd hazard a guess he'll have Bjorkstrand's letter next season. Dumping him will cost far more than it's worth to get out of a contract that isn't even in the top five of worst deals on the team. The Jackets are not a playoff team for 2022-23 and THAT IS OKAY. There is no win right now this second pressure. This is a developing team, and he is a perfect fit for that. His deal will be far more movable if it comes to that when the Jackets are ready to contend in a year or two, and if even then they can't move it, the human aspect makes up for the pure numbers on a spreadsheet.

      Tone it down. You're coming off like an insane Leafs fan who thinks dumping Kerfoot will be easy as pie and is the only thing standing between you and the Cup.
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      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 55
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      Quoting: Banana
      He makes 2.5 playing on the 4th line. Trade him literally anywhere. I'm sure plenty teams would want him if he's such a good guy. Come off it.

      Like you do understand how cap works right? Like you need it to become better. Kuraly doesn't make this team better in any impactful way and can be easily replaced and adding 2mil to cap space. Do you care at all about becoming a good hockey team or do you only care about meaningless "feel good" stories?


      My guy come off your high horse. Yes we get it, we are tight on capspace, thanks for the insight. Your center core will get eaten alive. Roslovic can’t play D sillinger is 19 and johnson and danforth have never shown anything in this league let alone playing center. Do I like the cap hit? Absolutely not. But I understand that a team needs players that play good defensive hockey. If your not gonna play any defense than this is the way to go. However if you want to stop a single puck. This isn’t the team to do it. Kuraly is overpaid 4th line center who sparks the team and gets them into games. He plays defense and wins face offs. Can he be replaced. Oh yeah. Easily? Absolutely not.

      Also targeting pasta doesn’t make sense. We have our top line wingers with laine and gaudreau. We have prospects who should flush out our middle 6 and bottom line wingers are found with relative ease. Tying up nearly 30 million dollars in 3 wingers is absolutely nuts.

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      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 57
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      Quoting: squashmaple
      No one is taking his cap dump, and the human aspect has to be considered as well. The Jackets already made a deeply unpopular move in trading Bjorkstrand. Kuraly's a PR dream and I'd hazard a guess he'll have Bjorkstrand's letter next season. Dumping him will cost far more than it's worth to get out of a contract that isn't even in the top five of worst deals on the team. The Jackets are not a playoff team for 2022-23 and THAT IS OKAY. There is no win right now this second pressure. This is a developing team, and he is a perfect fit for that. His deal will be far more movable if it comes to that when the Jackets are ready to contend in a year or two, and if even then they can't move it, the human aspect makes up for the pure numbers on a spreadsheet.

      Tone it down. You're coming off like an insane Leafs fan who thinks dumping Kerfoot will be easy as pie and is the only thing standing between you and the Cup.


      This guy wants to play nhl 22 be a gm mode. Just trade all players making more than 900k on the bottom line and sign every high end guy that hits free agency.
      26 juill. 2022 à 14 h 59
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      Quoting: Banana
      If they don't do that they aren't going to trade him and lose him for nothing. But great analysis on your part. Jack Eichel got less.


      He doesn't have a full NTC.


      Literally what does this mean? Tarasov is injured, may or may not be ready for start of year. Korpisalo gets traded at deadline, Tarasov would be ready to go by then. He'll be backing up next season and will have plenty of time to play in the minors once he's back from injury.


      mb i thought you mean we should trade korpi now. Tarasov need to play as much as possible after the injury and not be a backup...
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      26 juill. 2022 à 15 h 12
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      Boston declines. They'll sign Pasta to an extension.
      26 juill. 2022 à 15 h 19
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      Quoting: Hockey_Mind
      Pasta is worth way more with an extension in place, without one CBJ wouldn’t be interested. Why trade away rentals to bring in another?

      Kuraly is a real good 4C, so don’t see him becoming a cap dump anytime soon.

      Tarasov needs to play in games, not sit on the bench, that’s why he’s better served in Cleveland while Korpi sits on the bench in Columbus.

      1. There is no extension in place. Remind yourself of the Duchene trade and recall what that return was. If Columbus isn't on Pasta's NTC then I'd assume they stand a decent chance at re-signing him.
      2. They need to make cap space and Kuraly is a good way to do so. Danforth can move to 4C and makes quite a bit less.
      3. Like I said previously, Tarasov will have plenty of time to play in Cleveland before Korpisalo gets traded at the deadline. He can always split time with Elvis as well.

      Quoting: sens65
      Or...you know...they can just sign him to a new contract.

      Man has Sportsnet reached out to you about a job offer? Impeccable analysis. Is this how you waste your time?

      Quoting: squashmaple
      No one is taking his cap dump, and the human aspect has to be considered as well. The Jackets already made a deeply unpopular move in trading Bjorkstrand. Kuraly's a PR dream and I'd hazard a guess he'll have Bjorkstrand's letter next season. Dumping him will cost far more than it's worth to get out of a contract that isn't even in the top five of worst deals on the team. The Jackets are not a playoff team for 2022-23 and THAT IS OKAY. There is no win right now this second pressure. This is a developing team, and he is a perfect fit for that. His deal will be far more movable if it comes to that when the Jackets are ready to contend in a year or two, and if even then they can't move it, the human aspect makes up for the pure numbers on a spreadsheet.

      Tone it down. You're coming off like an insane Leafs fan who thinks dumping Kerfoot will be easy as pie and is the only thing standing between you and the Cup.

      I'm pretty sure people would be understanding to trading a 4th liner if they know it'll help the team. This kind of trade is not even remotely comparable to trading Bjorkstrand. As someone already said above, Kuraly is a good 4C and is apparently a great guy so trading him doesn't particularly seem like an issue. Sounds to me like every team should want him.
      And on your second point, do not compare me to those fanatics. I'm being realistic to what this team needs to do to make any progress in this league. Sorry if I'm not as equally insane as the people who think you need to trade half your team for one guy.

      Quoting: The_Cannon
      My guy come off your high horse. Yes we get it, we are tight on capspace, thanks for the insight. Your center core will get eaten alive. Roslovic can’t play D sillinger is 19 and johnson and danforth have never shown anything in this league let alone playing center. Do I like the cap hit? Absolutely not. But I understand that a team needs players that play good defensive hockey. If your not gonna play any defense than this is the way to go. However if you want to stop a single puck. This isn’t the team to do it. Kuraly is overpaid 4th line center who sparks the team and gets them into games. He plays defense and wins face offs. Can he be replaced. Oh yeah. Easily? Absolutely not.

      Also targeting pasta doesn’t make sense. We have our top line wingers with laine and gaudreau. We have prospects who should flush out our middle 6 and bottom line wingers are found with relative ease. Tying up nearly 30 million dollars in 3 wingers is absolutely nuts.

      Welcome back to cap friendly.


      Roslovic is middle of the pack at defence, ffs he played on the PK. Sillinger's age literally doesn't matter at all. He just played a full season at 18 and did fairly well for himself. Played top 6 quite a few times. Although not mentioned, this is mostly a end of season, heading into 23-24 roster than 22-23 from the get go. Johnson and Sillinger both should have taken a few steps by then. I'm also just gonna assume you've paid 0 attention to Danforth as he is a C and has played C a couple games as well. He's also pretty good. And the issues with defence are not on the players. The coaches need to figure that **** out. Doesn't seem that our dmen that were somehow looking pretty competent on defence were all that competent last year. Don't tell me that's on them. Kuraly can be replaced with Foudy or Danforth right now if needed. Tying up 30mil in wingers when you have 2 young C prospects who can play top 6 for cheap over the coming years is very doable. This team is very capable to be ridding themselves of expensive roster players and taking advantage at younger players and their contracts.

      Quoting: The_Cannon
      This guy wants to play nhl 22 be a gm mode. Just trade all players making more than 900k on the bottom line and sign every high end guy that hits free agency.

      I'm here to throw some ideas out there and expect some sort of constructive criticism on how to improve my ideas. So far I've only people acting like they know better and what they think will and won't happen, but not a single soul actually adding to nor improving a single one of my ideas. Oh Boston won't make that trade? What can they add or do to make it happen? But no, all you guys spend your time with tissues and moisturizer 24 hours a day on CapFriendly spewing your twitter takes acting like you know better than everyone else. Just have an open discussion about these things and stop people who hard headed.
      26 juill. 2022 à 15 h 20
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      Quoting: Konkarsson
      mb i thought you mean we should trade korpi now. Tarasov need to play as much as possible after the injury and not be a backup...


      I agree, but I don't think that'll be an issue.
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      Quoting: Banana
      1. There is no extension in place. Remind yourself of the Duchene trade and recall what that return was. If Columbus isn't on Pasta's NTC then I'd assume they stand a decent chance at re-signing him.
      2. They need to make cap space and Kuraly is a good way to do so. Danforth can move to 4C and makes quite a bit less.
      3. Like I said previously, Tarasov will have plenty of time to play in Cleveland before Korpisalo gets traded at the deadline. He can always split time with Elvis as well.


      Man has Sportsnet reached out to you about a job offer? Impeccable analysis. Is this how you waste your time?


      I'm pretty sure people would be understanding to trading a 4th liner if they know it'll help the team. This kind of trade is not even remotely comparable to trading Bjorkstrand. As someone already said above, Kuraly is a good 4C and is apparently a great guy so trading him doesn't particularly seem like an issue. Sounds to me like every team should want him.
      And on your second point, do not compare me to those fanatics. I'm being realistic to what this team needs to do to make any progress in this league. Sorry if I'm not as equally insane as the people who think you need to trade half your team for one guy.



      Roslovic is middle of the pack at defence, ffs he played on the PK. Sillinger's age literally doesn't matter at all. He just played a full season at 18 and did fairly well for himself. Played top 6 quite a few times. Although not mentioned, this is mostly a end of season, heading into 23-24 roster than 22-23 from the get go. Johnson and Sillinger both should have taken a few steps by then. I'm also just gonna assume you've paid 0 attention to Danforth as he is a C and has played C a couple games as well. He's also pretty good. And the issues with defence are not on the players. The coaches need to figure that **** out. Doesn't seem that our dmen that were somehow looking pretty competent on defence were all that competent last year. Don't tell me that's on them. Kuraly can be replaced with Foudy or Danforth right now if needed. Tying up 30mil in wingers when you have 2 young C prospects who can play top 6 for cheap over the coming years is very doable. This team is very capable to be ridding themselves of expensive roster players and taking advantage at younger players and their contracts.


      I'm here to throw some ideas out there and expect some sort of constructive criticism on how to improve my ideas. So far I've only people acting like they know better and what they think will and won't happen, but not a single soul actually adding to nor improving a single one of my ideas. Oh Boston won't make that trade? What can they add or do to make it happen? But no, all you guys spend your time with tissues and moisturizer 24 hours a day on CapFriendly spewing your twitter takes acting like you know better than everyone else. Just have an open discussion about these things and stop people who hard headed.


      You know what your right I apologize. That wasn’t real criticism. We won’t see eye to eye on kuraly and it is what it is. I’m not gonna get into a crap throwing fight with you. As for danforth last year. I’m not sold on his game going forward. He was a great energy guy on the wing but the defensive responsibilities a center carries limit the impact on the game. It’s like torts always said about jenner for better or for worse he had a point that Jenner couldn’t go balls to the wall in the o zone on a forecheck.
      Roslovic being middle of the pack defensively is a tad overstating it. He typically gets burned on checks and assignments in the d zone and has a difficult time supporting his defenders in the corners and along the wall. Sillinger played about 50 percent of the games well and the other 50 percent of the games where he pulled an invisible act. He was demoted to the forth line in stretches. I also don’t think Kent is ready to play center in the nhl yet. He looked alittle timid in his stint at the end of the year and needs to find his game at the nhl first.

      For the Pasternak trade. I don’t think this is what Boston would be looking for. They would want a blue chip prospect for pasta which we shouldn’t be willing to give up. Your offer is fine from our perspective bit our long term view is going to be tough to keep all of our players together. 30 million in 3 wingers, plus werenski. That’s half of our capspace. We have a lot of it allocated already to middle 6 talent that I am afraid we won’t be able to keep our higher end guys.
      Not to speak for you, but I’m sure this is where you say to move kuraly and that is valid, I would attempt to clear cap in different ways.
      For example if we have a 1-2 punch of Johnson, sillinger. How do we want our 3rd line to look shut down or scoring. I would look to move out one of jenner or roslovic first as we don’t have room for 4 top 9 centers and one of those are the obvious choice and definitely wouldn’t have the space for a winger making 4 million on the third line.

      I also wonder about Bemstrom. You see him in the top 9 next year? Curious as to why especially over the players that are on the outside looking in. I also ask what has he proved to be worth that contract?

      I will work on my responses in the future. I hope we can all strive to do the same.
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      Quoting: Banana
      1. There is no extension in place. Remind yourself of the Duchene trade and recall what that return was. If Columbus isn't on Pasta's NTC then I'd assume they stand a decent chance at re-signing him.
      2. They need to make cap space and Kuraly is a good way to do so. Danforth can move to 4C and makes quite a bit less.
      3. Like I said previously, Tarasov will have plenty of time to play in Cleveland before Korpisalo gets traded at the deadline. He can always split time with Elvis as well.


      Man has Sportsnet reached out to you about a job offer? Impeccable analysis. Is this how you waste your time?


      I'm pretty sure people would be understanding to trading a 4th liner if they know it'll help the team. This kind of trade is not even remotely comparable to trading Bjorkstrand. As someone already said above, Kuraly is a good 4C and is apparently a great guy so trading him doesn't particularly seem like an issue. Sounds to me like every team should want him.
      And on your second point, do not compare me to those fanatics. I'm being realistic to what this team needs to do to make any progress in this league. Sorry if I'm not as equally insane as the people who think you need to trade half your team for one guy.



      Roslovic is middle of the pack at defence, ffs he played on the PK. Sillinger's age literally doesn't matter at all. He just played a full season at 18 and did fairly well for himself. Played top 6 quite a few times. Although not mentioned, this is mostly a end of season, heading into 23-24 roster than 22-23 from the get go. Johnson and Sillinger both should have taken a few steps by then. I'm also just gonna assume you've paid 0 attention to Danforth as he is a C and has played C a couple games as well. He's also pretty good. And the issues with defence are not on the players. The coaches need to figure that **** out. Doesn't seem that our dmen that were somehow looking pretty competent on defence were all that competent last year. Don't tell me that's on them. Kuraly can be replaced with Foudy or Danforth right now if needed. Tying up 30mil in wingers when you have 2 young C prospects who can play top 6 for cheap over the coming years is very doable. This team is very capable to be ridding themselves of expensive roster players and taking advantage at younger players and their contracts.


      I'm here to throw some ideas out there and expect some sort of constructive criticism on how to improve my ideas. So far I've only people acting like they know better and what they think will and won't happen, but not a single soul actually adding to nor improving a single one of my ideas. Oh Boston won't make that trade? What can they add or do to make it happen? But no, all you guys spend your time with tissues and moisturizer 24 hours a day on CapFriendly spewing your twitter takes acting like you know better than everyone else. Just have an open discussion about these things and stop people who hard headed.


      You just wrote like a thousand words to randos on capfriendly and you're lecturing ME on wasting time?
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      Holy, there's some real hostile vibes in here. I think everyone from the CBJ fanbase needs to take a breath after the last couple weeks and reassess. The entire future of the team was thrown for a loop with Gaudreau signing and Bjorkstrand leaving.

      As for your ACGM,

      I don't think now is the time for this much movement. One of the things that keeps getting repeated about the team is that they've grown into a very tight knit group in a very short time. Disrupting that chemistry so quickly after it formed would be a mistake in my opinion. The team needs some time to play and see what some of the younger guys are going to become before big sweeping actions like this are made. I also think that if there is some kind of major trade in the works it would be for a 1C type and not for another winger. Having $35M committed to the top 6 wings for the next couple years would be a mistake. Especially so when Marchenko, Texier and Chinakhov all have top 6 potential and could save all sorts of money and compete longer in comparison to Pastrnak.

      Johnson certainly isn't ready for a 1C role when he hasn't played center since before college. If they're really committed to him being a center I could see it as a 3C with Jenner and Nyquist on his wings or as a 1C in Cleveland. If he starts in the minors then the 1C will be one of Silinger, Roslovic or Jenner with Jenner being who I think will get the first crack at it. If he gets the 3C role then it would probably be between just Sillinger and Roslovic for the top center spots.

      Laine makes a lot of sense to start out as a RW on the top line with Gaudreau. He's easily the most promising pairing for him on the team and should thrive there with how good of a set up man Gaudreau is.

      Marchenko would likely be a waste in a 4th line role and should be playing 2nd or 3rd line RW. The 4th RW should be a rotation of Bemstrom, Danforth, Olivier and maybe Foudy. Danforth by the way was explicitly told by Lars that he would never make it as a center in the NHL and adjusted his game to play a 4th line winger role last season.

      Kuraly has been a great 4C and sometimes 3C for the team through his first year. If Sillinger can make it so Kuraly is a full time 4C this year I think he will excel in that role with the easier matchups. His cap space won't be needed until his final year, but the cap will also be rising that year so dumping him likely won't be necessary.

      Texier I think fits in nicely as a 2LW option to replace Bjorkstrand in the top 6 and would push Nyquist down to the 3rd line for what should be easier matchups.

      Overall, the forward lineup I'm predicting is:

      Gaudreau-Jenner-Laine
      Texier-Sillinger-Voracek
      Nyquist-Roslovic-Marchenko
      Robinson-Kuraly-Danforth
      Bemstrom
      Olivier

      Johnson gets the 1C spot in Cleveland with Chinakhov and Foudy as his wingers.

      I agree with your defensive lineup and idea that Korpi will be traded later in the year if he can play well and establish some trade value again.
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      You know what your right I apologize. That wasn’t real criticism. We won’t see eye to eye on kuraly and it is what it is. I’m not gonna get into a crap throwing fight with you. As for danforth last year. I’m not sold on his game going forward. He was a great energy guy on the wing but the defensive responsibilities a center carries limit the impact on the game. It’s like torts always said about jenner for better or for worse he had a point that Jenner couldn’t go balls to the wall in the o zone on a forecheck.
      Roslovic being middle of the pack defensively is a tad overstating it. He typically gets burned on checks and assignments in the d zone and has a difficult time supporting his defenders in the corners and along the wall. Sillinger played about 50 percent of the games well and the other 50 percent of the games where he pulled an invisible act. He was demoted to the forth line in stretches. I also don’t think Kent is ready to play center in the nhl yet. He looked alittle timid in his stint at the end of the year and needs to find his game at the nhl first.

      For the Pasternak trade. I don’t think this is what Boston would be looking for. They would want a blue chip prospect for pasta which we shouldn’t be willing to give up. Your offer is fine from our perspective bit our long term view is going to be tough to keep all of our players together. 30 million in 3 wingers, plus werenski. That’s half of our capspace. We have a lot of it allocated already to middle 6 talent that I am afraid we won’t be able to keep our higher end guys.
      Not to speak for you, but I’m sure this is where you say to move kuraly and that is valid, I would attempt to clear cap in different ways.
      For example if we have a 1-2 punch of Johnson, sillinger. How do we want our 3rd line to look shut down or scoring. I would look to move out one of jenner or roslovic first as we don’t have room for 4 top 9 centers and one of those are the obvious choice and definitely wouldn’t have the space for a winger making 4 million on the third line.

      I also wonder about Bemstrom. You see him in the top 9 next year? Curious as to why especially over the players that are on the outside looking in. I also ask what has he proved to be worth that contract?

      I will work on my responses in the future. I hope we can all strive to do the same.


      Analytically, both Danforth and Bemstrom have some of the best defensive numbers on the team. The issue is that they don't get significant ice time. Bemstrom and Marchenko are pretty interchangeable in the bottom 6, but I haven't seen Marchenko play in the NHL, so Bemstrom gets the jump. Roslovic is middle of the pack and has been improving. I basically agree on Sillinger, but I fully expect him to take a big leap this year, especially if he's playing with Gaudreau. And I also agree on Johnson. To start out the year, I envision him playing 3LW then eventually transitioning into C once some ice time opens up.
      That return is pretty big on Pastrnak considering he could very well be a rental. They may not be getting a blue chip prospect, but they are getting some good young players in Texier and Bean, and probably have the space to be giving Foudy an opportunity. Jenner and Roslovic should be on the way out. Roslovic only has 2 years left until FA, which is the same amount of time that'll pass before having to re-sign Sillinger and Johnson. And both Jenner and Roslovic can play wing, so I'm not worried. Jenner having 4 more years is pretty worrying, but if he continue his play from last year (doubtful) in a 3rd line role, I won't complain. Lots of young guys coming up on D that I'm not really worried about spending there.


      Quoting: dk325
      Holy, there's some real hostile vibes in here. I think everyone from the CBJ fanbase needs to take a breath after the last couple weeks and reassess. The entire future of the team was thrown for a loop with Gaudreau signing and Bjorkstrand leaving.

      As for your ACGM,

      I don't think now is the time for this much movement. One of the things that keeps getting repeated about the team is that they've grown into a very tight knit group in a very short time. Disrupting that chemistry so quickly after it formed would be a mistake in my opinion. The team needs some time to play and see what some of the younger guys are going to become before big sweeping actions like this are made. I also think that if there is some kind of major trade in the works it would be for a 1C type and not for another winger. Having $35M committed to the top 6 wings for the next couple years would be a mistake. Especially so when Marchenko, Texier and Chinakhov all have top 6 potential and could save all sorts of money and compete longer in comparison to Pastrnak.

      Johnson certainly isn't ready for a 1C role when he hasn't played center since before college. If they're really committed to him being a center I could see it as a 3C with Jenner and Nyquist on his wings or as a 1C in Cleveland. If he starts in the minors then the 1C will be one of Silinger, Roslovic or Jenner with Jenner being who I think will get the first crack at it. If he gets the 3C role then it would probably be between just Sillinger and Roslovic for the top center spots.

      Laine makes a lot of sense to start out as a RW on the top line with Gaudreau. He's easily the most promising pairing for him on the team and should thrive there with how good of a set up man Gaudreau is.

      Marchenko would likely be a waste in a 4th line role and should be playing 2nd or 3rd line RW. The 4th RW should be a rotation of Bemstrom, Danforth, Olivier and maybe Foudy. Danforth by the way was explicitly told by Lars that he would never make it as a center in the NHL and adjusted his game to play a 4th line winger role last season.

      Kuraly has been a great 4C and sometimes 3C for the team through his first year. If Sillinger can make it so Kuraly is a full time 4C this year I think he will excel in that role with the easier matchups. His cap space won't be needed until his final year, but the cap will also be rising that year so dumping him likely won't be necessary.

      Texier I think fits in nicely as a 2LW option to replace Bjorkstrand in the top 6 and would push Nyquist down to the 3rd line for what should be easier matchups.

      Overall, the forward lineup I'm predicting is:

      Gaudreau-Jenner-Laine
      Texier-Sillinger-Voracek
      Nyquist-Roslovic-Marchenko
      Robinson-Kuraly-Danforth
      Bemstrom
      Olivier

      Johnson gets the 1C spot in Cleveland with Chinakhov and Foudy as his wingers.

      I agree with your defensive lineup and idea that Korpi will be traded later in the year if he can play well and establish some trade value again.


      Having a tight knit group doesn't matter if you aren't winning hockey games. Voracek is up in a couple years, and I really don't expect the need to be adding anyone in that time frame, so I don't particularly see how it's that much of an issue. I also think you're a little more optimistic about Texier, Chinakhov and Marchenko than at least myself. Chinakhov especially hasn't shown me anything yet to be worth that potential.

      Johnson definitely isn't ready for the 1C role. This is an end of season, heading into 23-24 roster.

      If you have Pastrnak and Laine, absolutely no shot am I playing Laine over Pastrnak. Pastrnak is leagues better at 5v5 than Laine. Laine seems to work somewhat well with Voracek, so we'll keep it like that.

      Marchenko/Bemstrom are interchangeable. Olivier can stick it the minors for all I care. He's not good. We all know why they acquired him.

      Kuraly had a pretty good year, but no team should be spending that much money on 4th liners. He should be gone. It was a bad contract to start with.

      I agree on Texier as well. Here's what I'd have heading into the year with no changes.

      Gaudreau - Sillinger - Laine
      Texier - Roslovic - Voracek
      Johnson - Jenner - Nyquist
      Robinson - Kuraly - Danforth
      Bemmer/Marchenko
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      Quoting: Banana
      Analytically, both Danforth and Bemstrom have some of the best defensive numbers on the team. The issue is that they don't get significant ice time. Bemstrom and Marchenko are pretty interchangeable in the bottom 6, but I haven't seen Marchenko play in the NHL, so Bemstrom gets the jump. Roslovic is middle of the pack and has been improving. I basically agree on Sillinger, but I fully expect him to take a big leap this year, especially if he's playing with Gaudreau. And I also agree on Johnson. To start out the year, I envision him playing 3LW then eventually transitioning into C once some ice time opens up.
      That return is pretty big on Pastrnak considering he could very well be a rental. They may not be getting a blue chip prospect, but they are getting some good young players in Texier and Bean, and probably have the space to be giving Foudy an opportunity. Jenner and Roslovic should be on the way out. Roslovic only has 2 years left until FA, which is the same amount of time that'll pass before having to re-sign Sillinger and Johnson. And both Jenner and Roslovic can play wing, so I'm not worried. Jenner having 4 more years is pretty worrying, but if he continue his play from last year (doubtful) in a 3rd line role, I won't complain. Lots of young guys coming up on D that I'm not really worried about spending there.




      Having a tight knit group doesn't matter if you aren't winning hockey games. Voracek is up in a couple years, and I really don't expect the need to be adding anyone in that time frame, so I don't particularly see how it's that much of an issue. I also think you're a little more optimistic about Texier, Chinakhov and Marchenko than at least myself. Chinakhov especially hasn't shown me anything yet to be worth that potential.

      Johnson definitely isn't ready for the 1C role. This is an end of season, heading into 23-24 roster.

      If you have Pastrnak and Laine, absolutely no shot am I playing Laine over Pastrnak. Pastrnak is leagues better at 5v5 than Laine. Laine seems to work somewhat well with Voracek, so we'll keep it like that.

      Marchenko/Bemstrom are interchangeable. Olivier can stick it the minors for all I care. He's not good. We all know why they acquired him.

      Kuraly had a pretty good year, but no team should be spending that much money on 4th liners. He should be gone. It was a bad contract to start with.

      I agree on Texier as well. Here's what I'd have heading into the year with no changes.

      Gaudreau - Sillinger - Laine
      Texier - Roslovic - Voracek
      Johnson - Jenner - Nyquist
      Robinson - Kuraly - Danforth
      Bemmer/Marchenko


      The thing is, the forward group was doing what they needed to do to win hockey games. The defense and goaltending are what kept them from contending for the playoffs. Having a solid room is something that attracted free agents like Gudbranson and Gaudreau. It will lead to more guys like that wanting to sign if they preserve that atmosphere.

      I agree on Voracek and Chinakhov. Chinakhov I think needs time in the AHL to develop more. I also wouldn't move Voracek out either.

      You are farrrrrr too low on Marchenko. He is coming in with top 6 hype already and is used to playing on NA sized ice from his home rink in St Petersburg. If he isn't at least 3RW to start with he is either a monumental bust or the team is wasting his talent. He's far more established than Chinakhov. He's 3 inches taller, about 10 lbs heavier and has a way more well rounded game. His is a hype train to absolute jump onboard with.

      Even if Kuraly is overpaid, they don't need the money for a couple more years unless some big signing opportunity comes along. Jarmo has already traded 2 guys recently that weren't very far into their contracts. Trading another guy when he doesn't have to so shortly after he signed could damage Jarmo's reputation when it comes to signings. Kuraly does his job just fine and makes the 4th line a viable option for 10 minutes a night.
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      Quoting: dk325
      The thing is, the forward group was doing what they needed to do to win hockey games. The defense and goaltending are what kept them from contending for the playoffs. Having a solid room is something that attracted free agents like Gudbranson and Gaudreau. It will lead to more guys like that wanting to sign if they preserve that atmosphere.

      I agree on Voracek and Chinakhov. Chinakhov I think needs time in the AHL to develop more. I also wouldn't move Voracek out either.

      You are farrrrrr too low on Marchenko. He is coming in with top 6 hype already and is used to playing on NA sized ice from his home rink in St Petersburg. If he isn't at least 3RW to start with he is either a monumental bust or the team is wasting his talent. He's far more established than Chinakhov. He's 3 inches taller, about 10 lbs heavier and has a way more well rounded game. His is a hype train to absolute jump onboard with.

      Even if Kuraly is overpaid, they don't need the money for a couple more years unless some big signing opportunity comes along. Jarmo has already traded 2 guys recently that weren't very far into their contracts. Trading another guy when he doesn't have to so shortly after he signed could damage Jarmo's reputation when it comes to signings. Kuraly does his job just fine and makes the 4th line a viable option for 10 minutes a night.


      I think the problem was the entire system, rather than just blaming defence and goaltending. Also, you have to move guys. You can't just keep sticking out with the guys you have because they're buds. Now's not the time to play that excuse right after they trade Bjorkstrand.

      I'm not low on Marchenko at all. Just haven't seen him play yet. It makes no difference to me whether he plays 3rd or 4th line or sits on the bench. There isn't much room for him right now. They should have moved out wingers last year (i.e. Nyquist) but they didn't and look where we are now. If they had such high expectations of Marchenko before this season, they should've done something. I also don't have Chinakhov in the NHL at all fwiw.

      There's a reason why I moved out Kuraly to gain Pastrnak. If we don't go for Pastrnak, there is no need to trade Kuraly, at least not immediately.
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      I think the problem was the entire system, rather than just blaming defence and goaltending. Also, you have to move guys. You can't just keep sticking out with the guys you have because they're buds. Now's not the time to play that excuse right after they trade Bjorkstrand.

      I'm not low on Marchenko at all. Just haven't seen him play yet. It makes no difference to me whether he plays 3rd or 4th line or sits on the bench. There isn't much room for him right now. They should have moved out wingers last year (i.e. Nyquist) but they didn't and look where we are now. If they had such high expectations of Marchenko before this season, they should've done something. I also don't have Chinakhov in the NHL at all fwiw.

      There's a reason why I moved out Kuraly to gain Pastrnak. If we don't go for Pastrnak, there is no need to trade Kuraly, at least not immediately.


      A lot of things have changed suddenly in the last 2 years. There are only 4 guys on your proposed starting 12 that you responded to me with that were on the team at the start of 2020-21. That's a massive amount of turnover already and they've only had 1 year to play together with the current roster and had a huge amount of improvement over the previous year. There's just no need to rush into disturbing the lineup with massive changes. Losing Bjorkstrand was hardly a choice they made willingly.

      You're saying Marchenko is interchangeable with Bemstrom outside the lineup so that's absolutely having a low opinion on him. Again, it's more likely he lands a 2nd line role than not being in the lineup every night with how good he is.

      Last year they had no idea that they would have Gaudreau entering the lineup and moving out Nyquist very well may have been the plan before that signing happened. Gaudreau was a totally unpredictable curveball, but how can you not like them having an issue of too much good depth on the team?

      Moving anyone out last year wasn't a possibility with how they were already playing Gaunce, Meyer and TFW for large portions of the year due to injuries. There was also no real certainty on Texier's return timeline until after the season when he had finished grieving.
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      I think the problem was the entire system, rather than just blaming defence and goaltending. Also, you have to move guys. You can't just keep sticking out with the guys you have because they're buds. Now's not the time to play that excuse right after they trade Bjorkstrand.

      I'm not low on Marchenko at all. Just haven't seen him play yet. It makes no difference to me whether he plays 3rd or 4th line or sits on the bench. There isn't much room for him right now. They should have moved out wingers last year (i.e. Nyquist) but they didn't and look where we are now. If they had such high expectations of Marchenko before this season, they should've done something. I also don't have Chinakhov in the NHL at all fwiw.

      There's a reason why I moved out Kuraly to gain Pastrnak. If we don't go for Pastrnak, there is no need to trade Kuraly, at least not immediately.


      they couldn't get Marchenko over here yet cause he was still on Russian contract.

      and as for Kuraly, I would rather keep a 4th line center that gets 30 points. The 4th line was great last year of him ERob and Danforth. Not sure that I'd want to keep Bemstrom as much though going forward. They turned a powerplay specialist into a checking forward and he unfortunately does not produce much anymore. If they do keep him, maybe for under a mill.
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      He makes 2.5 playing on the 4th line. Trade him literally anywhere. I'm sure plenty teams would want him if he's such a good guy. Come off it.

      Like you do understand how cap works right? Like you need it to become better. Kuraly doesn't make this team better in any impactful way

      This is where you failed.
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