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Créé par: Faulk_my_Dzingel
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 26 juill. 2022
Publié: 26 juill. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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21 750 000 $
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44 750 000 $
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STL
  1. Marner, Mitchell
Détails additionnels:
Top RW, guaranteed 90 points, PK specialist, PP wizard, Mitch Marner apparently has negative value in this league.
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TOR
    Future considerations
    CHI
    1. Muzzin, Jake
    Détails additionnels:
    It would be better to have Calvin De’Haan for 4 years at 4.75 M vs Jake Muzzin at 5.6 for 2 years.
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    WPG
    1. Tavares, John
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
    Détails additionnels:
    Tavares is not capable of being a Centre anymore. 76 points in 79 games, shutting down top players from opposing top lines, Top Faceoff man in the league, and eating up 18 + mins a night is certainly not 2nd Centre caliber.
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    TOR
    1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (ARI)
    ARI
    1. Holl, Justin
    Détails additionnels:
    As usual, Justin Holl who averaged 20 mins a night, plays valuable PK time, a rental with a low cap hit of 2 M, big body, physical and blocks shots regularly, is not worth anything to anybody. Whilst Gudbranson is easily a $4M player...
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    26 juill. 2022 à 15 h 32
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    Quoting: CoachCoach
    Incorrect, it is quite literally a cap dump. Same with Holl. Doesn’t mean they don’t have value, but TOR is trying to shed their CAP hit so they can re-sign Sandin and sign other FAs. That is the literal definition of cap dump lol.

    If it wasn’t a cap dump, teams would have reached out and inquired by now (as they did with RM). Teams don’t want to give up assets and picks for an injury prone D making that kind of money.


    Sure call it what you want.. I do have some responses to your comment though..

    Firstly, neither you or I have any knowledge of whether teams have reached out regarding Muzzin, so relax.

    Secondly, every report I read regarding McDonagh said Tampa had canvased a few teams and got a commitment from Columbus to claim him on waivers should they waive him (Tampa inquired not Columbus) and then they made a trade with Nashville (again, Tampa inquired).

    Muzzin is still a good defenseman in this league and the leaf's will happily keep him if they are unable to move him for assets. They are under the cap with a full roster, so they just need to move someone of equal value to Sandin once he signs. Holl would also be enough based on the expected contract Sandin will get.
    26 juill. 2022 à 15 h 33
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    Quoting: MP55
    The leafs are currently over the salary cap and Sandin is still unsigned.


    They have a 20 man roster that is under the cap, and Sandin isnt going to be making $5M a year.. If this is your criticism of the Leafs then they are doing pretty good..
    26 juill. 2022 à 15 h 41
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    Quoting: Theozler
    Ok, but you’re missing the other side where it’s extremely undervaluing a guy like weegar.
    Here are the issues with the guys presented:
    Marner:great player, salary very difficult to move and paid at a rate where he is your top star. Very rarely do you win with a winger as your top star, typically it’s c, d, or g. Position just doesn’t have the effect of the others.

    Muzzin: a.ntc b.flat cap makes deal hard to move to a team that would be needing a player like him at his age. Rebuilding squads simply won’t give assets for him.

    Tavares:over 30, huge contract, and again wouldn’t waive anyway. If he did, flat cap would make it impossible a team that would want him to acquire him. Rebuilders would not want to give the assets.

    HollSticking Out Tonguerobably gets a couple mid picks. But he’s constantly used to acquire much better defenseman on here which is rubbish


    Every single team in the league would make room for Marner at his Salary.. to say his contract would be tough to move is crazy..

    You say "You rarely win with a winger as your top star" meanwhile you have Kucherov, Ovechkin and Kane who have been the top stars on 5 of the last 10 cup winners...

    You are clearly blinded by your Leafs hate.

    Also,
    The leafs will happily keep Muzzin and move Holl instead if Muzzin doesnt return assets. He is still a quality top 4 defensman and only has 2 years left on his deal. The leaf's don't need a ton of cap space and have multiple options of obtaining it.

    Tavares is literally producing the same as he has essentially his whole career. He has always been roughly a point per game player. Is he overpaid? Probably slightly, but he would still fetch $8M-9M on a 3 year deal if he was a UFA today. Again, most teams would give assets if he was available.
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    26 juill. 2022 à 16 h 25
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    Quoting: sammy_daws1997
    Sure call it what you want.. I do have some responses to your comment though..

    Firstly, neither you or I have any knowledge of whether teams have reached out regarding Muzzin, so relax.

    Secondly, every report I read regarding McDonagh said Tampa had canvased a few teams and got a commitment from Columbus to claim him on waivers should they waive him (Tampa inquired not Columbus) and then they made a trade with Nashville (again, Tampa inquired).

    Muzzin is still a good defenseman in this league and the leaf's will happily keep him if they are unable to move him for assets. They are under the cap with a full roster, so they just need to move someone of equal value to Sandin once he signs. Holl would also be enough based on the expected contract Sandin will get.


    Hello Mr. Dubas, it’s (insert GM). I’d love to talk to you about Jake Muzzin. I know he is 33, and carries a 5.6 million cap hit for not one, but two more years. I also know in each of the last 3 seasons he has missed around 30 games each year. He was a -6 last year on a top team, but we don’t mind since +\- isn’t the only indicator, and he is almost always a plus player. But we here in (insert city) think he is a valuable piece missing for us. He is going to…..

    (Contender): be a grizzled veteran and help us get over the hump and win a cup? Be the shutdown force for our deep run? Be the experienced voice in the locker room while eating minutes in bottom four? Bolster our special teams?

    (Rebuilder): be a mentor for our young players and prospects? Be a big time contributor on a lackluster team that you can flip later (if he accepts terms)? A warm body to get you to the cap floor?
    26 juill. 2022 à 16 h 28
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    Quoting: sammy_daws1997
    They have a 20 man roster that is under the cap, and Sandin isnt going to be making $5M a year.. If this is your criticism of the Leafs then they are doing pretty good..


    You know teams have 23-man rosters right? Cause of injuries and stuff? This isn’t franchise mode. Their 20-man roster is right at the cap and they’ll be screwed the moment someone goes down with an injury.

    Could also criticize their goalie situation but that’s irrelevant here.
    26 juill. 2022 à 16 h 30
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    Quoting: CoachCoach
    Hello Mr. Dubas, it’s (insert GM). I’d love to talk to you about Jake Muzzin. I know he is 33, and carries a 5.6 million cap hit for not one, but two more years. I also know in each of the last 3 seasons he has missed around 30 games each year. He was a -6 last year on a top team, but we don’t mind since +\- isn’t the only indicator, and he is almost always a plus player. But we here in (insert city) think he is a valuable piece missing for us. He is going to…..

    (Contender): be a grizzled veteran and help us get over the hump and win a cup? Be the shutdown force for our deep run? Be the experienced voice in the locker room while eating minutes in bottom four? Bolster our special teams?

    (Rebuilder): be a mentor for our young players and prospects? Be a big time contributor on a lackluster team that you can flip later (if he accepts terms)? A warm body to get you to the cap floor?


    I agree with this, just your comment about muzzin’s injury history is incorrect. 2019-20 the leafs played 70 games and 2020-21 they played 56 games, so he missed 17 in 19-20 and 3 in 20-21.
    26 juill. 2022 à 16 h 34
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    Quoting: MP55
    I agree with this, just your comment about muzzin’s injury history is incorrect. 2019-20 the leafs played 70 games and 2020-21 they played 56 games, so he missed 17 in 19-20 and 3 in 20-21.


    Thank you for that correction! My apologies, and I will definitely amend that statement from "he has missed a lot of time in recent years" to "we understand he did suffer an injury last year, but he made it back for playoffs and didn't skip a beat, so as long as nothing is lingering it is not a cause for concern."
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    26 juill. 2022 à 17 h 44
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    Quoting: sammy_daws1997
    Every single team in the league would make room for Marner at his Salary.. to say his contract would be tough to move is crazy..

    You say "You rarely win with a winger as your top star" meanwhile you have Kucherov, Ovechkin and Kane who have been the top stars on 5 of the last 10 cup winners...

    You are clearly blinded by your Leafs hate.

    Also,
    The leafs will happily keep Muzzin and move Holl instead if Muzzin doesnt return assets. He is still a quality top 4 defensman and only has 2 years left on his deal. The leaf's don't need a ton of cap space and have multiple options of obtaining it.

    Tavares is literally producing the same as he has essentially his whole career. He has always been roughly a point per game player. Is he overpaid? Probably slightly, but he would still fetch $8M-9M on a 3 year deal if he was a UFA today. Again, most teams would give assets if he was available.


    You can’t just magically make cap room appear. So while teams would love marner , is it worth destroying your depth for him?

    As for the wingers, few arguments: all three of those wingers won hart trophies so they are a level above marner. Also let’s look at the team around them: hawks, really the only true exception so I won’t go over them Capitals, ovechkin best player but they never got over the hump until they had two top centers, prior to that they were out round 2 or less every year. Tampa: one, vas is their best player, he just is. And they had comparable stars at c and d. So really outside of Chicago you needed the c and/or d to win the cups. Pens: malkin Crosby, wings: datsyuk, zetterberg, lidstrom. Bruins: Bergeron, krejci, chara, Thomas. Kings:kopitar, doughty, quick. I mean we can go back to the 50s, there are teams that have won with maybe a very good w, but the almost always had better or comparable stars at c,d, and g. But there’s many examples where they had clear stars at the other three positions and the w was maybe their 5th best player.
    26 juill. 2022 à 17 h 49
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    Quoting: DrDinkiee
    All I needed to be pointed out to me is simply where is St. Louis gonna find the cap room to fit Marner? Simply stunning.


    Make an acgm where marner gets fair value, and it doesn’t gut the teams depth/assets acquiring him to make the cap fit.
    27 juill. 2022 à 10 h 1
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    Quoting: Theozler
    You can’t just magically make cap room appear. So while teams would love marner , is it worth destroying your depth for him?

    As for the wingers, few arguments: all three of those wingers won hart trophies so they are a level above marner. Also let’s look at the team around them: hawks, really the only true exception so I won’t go over them Capitals, ovechkin best player but they never got over the hump until they had two top centers, prior to that they were out round 2 or less every year. Tampa: one, vas is their best player, he just is. And they had comparable stars at c and d. So really outside of Chicago you needed the c and/or d to win the cups. Pens: malkin Crosby, wings: datsyuk, zetterberg, lidstrom. Bruins: Bergeron, krejci, chara, Thomas. Kings:kopitar, doughty, quick. I mean we can go back to the 50s, there are teams that have won with maybe a very good w, but the almost always had better or comparable stars at c,d, and g. But there’s many examples where they had clear stars at the other three positions and the w was maybe their 5th best player.


    Firstly, I was mostly making a point about how wingers absolutely can be the top stars on teams. It wasn't necessarily to say Marner specifically is able to be the top star of a cup winning team, although I do think he is personally.

    Ovi is the only one who won a Hart earlier in his Career than Marner is currently. Kane won his at 27 and Kucherov at 25, meanwhile Marner is 25 and is definately within the realm of winning a Hart if the stars aline (one thing going against him is that Marner success will usually equal Matthews success). I wouldnt say that Marner is a tier below those guys just because he hasnt won a Hart. FYI, he has averaged 102 points per 82 games since his ELC. Kane averaged

    In terms of the team around them, it doesnt matter what position the best player is since you need a well rounded team to win in the NHL. You show me a good cup winning team and I will show you a good C and W pairing. Mackinnon/Raantanen, Stamkos/Kucherov, Backstrom/Ovi, even Toews/Kane.. The only exception I can think of is Crosby tbh.

    I think something that I should say as well is that sometimes a high end winger will make a good center look great. A final point I will make too, is that I purposely left out that defense isnt important. Defense is by far the most important thing in winning cups imo. I think this can be seen by the Cs you listed that didnt really have elite wingers. Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Crosby, Bergeron, O'Reilly.. They are all defensive centers. The teams that did have elite wingers also had elite defensmen to compensate. Kucherov/Hedman, Kane/Keith, Ovi/Carlson to an extent..

    When I say that any team would make room for Marner, he is a top 10 player in the league so most teams getting him would be sending back their best player. No need to make cap room. In hindsight, I will revise my statment, since after thinking about it Edmonton is probably the only team that would not be interested in a Marner trade. So 30/31 teams would be happy to trade for Marner if he were available.
     
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