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23-24 Resign both and a Big Trade

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Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 23 juill. 2022
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24 juill. 2022 à 11 h 24
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Huberdeau will cost close to 11M
24 juill. 2022 à 11 h 25
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Calgary gets fleeced in that Scheifele deal and trading Hanifin is stupid. Valimaki hasn't even earned his 1.5M deal, how did he get a raise?
24 juill. 2022 à 11 h 28
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Calgary gets fleeced in that Scheifele deal and trading Hanifin is stupid. Valimaki hasn't even earned his 1.5M deal, how did he get a raise?


What are you on? Fleeced? Are you kidding me? We get two first line centres for a late 1st, Zary who doesn’t look like a top 6 forward and Pelletier who might be good but definitely won’t be Scheifele good. We can resign him and Lindholm. It’s an easy yes. And Valimaki replaces Kylington who has to be traded at this point. He is easily worth 2 million if he has a good year this year
24 juill. 2022 à 11 h 29
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Huberdeau will cost close to 11M


I remember when everyone said that about Johnny. Didn’t happen
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24 juill. 2022 à 11 h 36
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Canes pass. Carolina moved Hanifin because he wasn't up to the standard they wanted. Dube isn't worth that package
24 juill. 2022 à 11 h 39
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Canes pass. Carolina moved Hanifin because he wasn't up to the standard they wanted. Dube isn't worth that package


That’s not why he was traded lol
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Canes pass. Carolina moved Hanifin because he wasn't up to the standard they wanted. Dube isn't worth that package


That was also with a different coach, different FO, and a different overall team. I would not be surprised if at least one of Lindholm or Hanifin end up back in Carolina. Both fit Sutter’s style very well, meaning they well be an excellent fit in Brindy’s style.
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That was also with a different coach, different FO, and a different overall team. I would not be surprised if at least one of Lindholm or Hanifin end up back in Carolina. Both fit Sutter’s style very well, meaning they well be an excellent fit in Brindy’s style.


Hanafin probably ends up the odd man out after this season. We need to resign Tanev and Weegar.

Also he was traded to get Dougie who was as hot a trade property as there was in 2018. He wasn’t sent away because he wasn’t up to standard or whatever nonsense that other Canes fan wrote
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That’s not why he was traded lol


Uhh... y...yeah it was. There's a reason they opted to move him.
24 juill. 2022 à 11 h 46
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That was also with a different coach, different FO, and a different overall team. I would not be surprised if at least one of Lindholm or Hanifin end up back in Carolina. Both fit Sutter’s style very well, meaning they well be an excellent fit in Brindy’s style.


I would have said maybe Lindholm before he mocked the surge. I think that bridge is burned. Hanifin ditto. He just isn't good enough. We've already seen him struggle next to Pesce. System can change, but he's still not a good fit. Let's make this very clear, he's not displacing Slavin on the top pair. He can't play next to Pesce, so you're giving this up to play him on the 4th line. It doesn't work.
24 juill. 2022 à 12 h 2
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Huberdeau will cost close to 11M


Hubie older, not 27 anymore. This year's market has been harsh to older players.
24 juill. 2022 à 12 h 15
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What are you on? Fleeced? Are you kidding me? We get two first line centres for a late 1st, Zary who doesn’t look like a top 6 forward and Pelletier who might be good but definitely won’t be Scheifele good. We can resign him and Lindholm. It’s an easy yes. And Valimaki replaces Kylington who has to be traded at this point. He is easily worth 2 million if he has a good year this year


Lol. At this point it's a hot take that Pelletier won't certainly be good. Your logic is so flawed, you say Valimaki can replace Kylington as a top 4 defenseman but Zary is a bust? Zary played his entire season centering Stockton's 4th line because they came flying out of the gate and developed chemistry while he was on SOIR in November. Scheifele is a good player for sure but he also comes with some very questionable baggage right now and certainly shouldn't cost a 1st and 2 top prospects.

Furthermore even if Valimaki can replace Kylington (kind of a reach right now) Neither of them comes remotely close to replacing the impact Hanifin has. If Calgary was smart they would sell high on Kylington now and run a top 4 of Hanifin, Andersson, Weegar, and Tanev for the foreseeable future
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Uhh... y...yeah it was. There's a reason they opted to move him.


The reason was to get Dougie. It wasn’t because he was useless
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Lol. At this point it's a hot take that Pelletier won't certainly be good. Your logic is so flawed, you say Valimaki can replace Kylington as a top 4 defenseman but Zary is a bust? Zary played his entire season centering Stockton's 4th line because they came flying out of the gate and developed chemistry while he was on SOIR in November. Scheifele is a good player for sure but he also comes with some very questionable baggage right now and certainly shouldn't cost a 1st and 2 top prospects.

Furthermore even if Valimaki can replace Kylington (kind of a reach right now) Neither of them comes remotely close to replacing the impact Hanifin has. If Calgary was smart they would sell high on Kylington now and run a top 4 of Hanifin, Andersson, Weegar, and Tanev for the foreseeable future


What “questionable baggage”? This website has made Scheifele into some sort of villain ever since the Jake Evans incident because that’s now the cool thing to do. I’ll take him every time because Zary will never come close to being that kind of centre. Pelletier is the only part of that deal I don’t like giving up as he was on the AHL rookie of the year team and looks like a top 6 player.

Weegar, Andersson, Tanev, and Hanafin all can’t make upwards of 5.5-6.5 a year, it’s too much money in the blueline. Someone has to go. Weegar may simply choose to leave and then the choice is made for us but if we can extend him then it comes down to Tanev or Hanafin because Andersson is on a long term deal and shouldn’t go anywhere. Tanev is simply more important to this team. I know you’ll tell me he’s older and should be allowed to walk or something of that nature but he is so key to our defence as we saw when he was out during the playoffs. You can replace a top LHD easier than a RHD, hence why you trade Hanafin.
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What “questionable baggage”? This website has made Scheifele into some sort of villain ever since the Jake Evans incident because that’s now the cool thing to do. I’ll take him every time because Zary will never come close to being that kind of centre. Pelletier is the only part of that deal I don’t like giving up as he was on the AHL rookie of the year team and looks like a top 6 player.

Weegar, Andersson, Tanev, and Hanafin all can’t make upwards of 5.5-6.5 a year, it’s too much money in the blueline. Someone has to go. Weegar may simply choose to leave and then the choice is made for us but if we can extend him then it comes down to Tanev or Hanafin because Andersson is on a long term deal and shouldn’t go anywhere. Tanev is simply more important to this team. I know you’ll tell me he’s older and should be allowed to walk or something of that nature but he is so key to our defence as we saw when he was out during the playoffs. You can replace a top LHD easier than a RHD, hence why you trade Hanafin.


The baggage is what he did this year, not the Evans hit. I don't get why you've given up on Zary, outside of his 9 games in 20/21 (where he was very good) he's never gotten a chance in a top 6 role in the AHL. He may never be a Scheifele level center but I think the price you are paying is way too steep.

What is your price evaluation on their contracts? Andersson is making just over 4.5M for the next 4 seasons and Hanifin is still locked up for another year at under 5M . Weegar is due for a raise in that 6-6.5 price range but that's fine. Tanev is approaching 35 when his next deal ends. No way anyone is giving him over 5M. Ryan Suter's deal should be comparable for what he gets next. Also even if they were all to be making money in that range that is certainly not "too much on the blueline." St. Louis who are contenders have 3 of their top 4 making exactly 6.5M and Leddy at 4M for a total of 23.5M. Tampa won 2 cups with their top 4 making ~22.4M. Not to mention the cap is expected to raise a fair bit over the next 2-3 years. It should not come down to Tanev or Andersson at all. Calgary should not move either
24 juill. 2022 à 14 h 17
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The baggage is what he did this year, not the Evans hit. I don't get why you've given up on Zary, outside of his 9 games in 20/21 (where he was very good) he's never gotten a chance in a top 6 role in the AHL. He may never be a Scheifele level center but I think the price you are paying is way too steep.

What is your price evaluation on their contracts? Andersson is making just over 4.5M for the next 4 seasons and Hanifin is still locked up for another year at under 5M . Weegar is due for a raise in that 6-6.5 price range but that's fine. Tanev is approaching 35 when his next deal ends. No way anyone is giving him over 5M. Ryan Suter's deal should be comparable for what he gets next. Also even if they were all to be making money in that range that is certainly not "too much on the blueline." St. Louis who are contenders have 3 of their top 4 making exactly 6.5M and Leddy at 4M for a total of 23.5M. Tampa won 2 cups with their top 4 making ~22.4M. Not to mention the cap is expected to raise a fair bit over the next 2-3 years. It should not come down to Tanev or Andersson at all. Calgary should not move either


No one knows what the cap will be. We thought it was going up before the world went to hell now we think it’s going up again but the league is impacted by the economy as much as the rest of the business world. I’m very skeptical of a 95 million cap. I’d be thrilled if it’s 87.5 or a bit higher. 95 would be outstanding but I think that number is based off pre-stagflation.

Regarding the hockey, Tanev is going to get paid because he is one of the best shut down Dman in the league. He either gets a short 2-3 year deal which means 5 million or so is the cap hit or he gets a longer deal where the cap hit is low. That sounds good right now but it will haunt us if he gets 4mx6yr. That’s the Pittsburgh model, long term deals for older players to keep cap hits lower. If a veteran thinks he’s worth 25 million he will get that money whether it’s over 3 years or 6 years.

We will have the cap with my ACGM to extend Lindholm and Scheifele. We probably can even fit in Toffoli. Backlund goes bye bye and so does that 4th line. Zadorov is also gone. The money is there.
24 juill. 2022 à 14 h 57
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The reason was to get Dougie. It wasn’t because he was useless


Dougie was a great trade chip, but do you think they'd have used Hanifin over someone like Faulk at the time if he wasn't a fit for the team at the time? You're acting like he was/is a top pairing defenseman, he's never been that. Even now, if he comes back to Raleigh, he's on the third pairing (Skjei - Pesce is one of the best analytical pairings in the NHL, and if you think he's better than Slavin, you're beyond help). He wasn't good when he was here, and he can stay out in Calgary.
24 juill. 2022 à 15 h 18
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Dougie was a great trade chip, but do you think they'd have used Hanifin over someone like Faulk at the time if he wasn't a fit for the team at the time? You're acting like he was/is a top pairing defenseman, he's never been that. Even now, if he comes back to Raleigh, he's on the third pairing (Skjei - Pesce is one of the best analytical pairings in the NHL, and if you think he's better than Slavin, you're beyond help). He wasn't good when he was here, and he can stay out in Calgary.


He’s a top pairing defenceman right now, so you’re wrong there. He was traded for Hamilton because he had tremendous upside. The more I think about it the more I dislike the trade I made. It gives you guys too much
24 juill. 2022 à 15 h 35
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He’s a top pairing defenceman right now, so you’re wrong there. He was traded for Hamilton because he had tremendous upside. The more I think about it the more I dislike the trade I made. It gives you guys too much


Keep him then. He's not better than Slavin. He's not breaking the Pesce-Skjei pairing up. So keep him.
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Keep him then. He's not better than Slavin. He's not breaking the Pesce-Skjei pairing up. So keep him.


No outside of you and whatever delusional part of your fanbase agrees with you would ever say Skjei is better than Hanafin.
24 juill. 2022 à 20 h 19
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No outside of you and whatever delusional part of your fanbase agrees with you would ever say Skjei is better than Hanafin.


I didn't say he was. I said that Skjei and Pesce is one of the best statistical pairings in hockey, which it is. He's not breaking that up, and if you're delusional enough to think Hanifin is better than Slavin, I cannot help you.
 
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