Could of got more from another team

What the actual f

It's more like we entered a really weird dimension in the multiverse

You better believe it.

Pac was given out for free.

The asking price to take JVR is a 1st.

And you think you Nyqvist is would fetch more than a 3rd+ right now?

LOL

There is nk money on the market. Get used to it.

I struggle to see why a team like Anaheim or zona wouldn't want nyqvist for free. Or for a 7th

JVR is making $1.5M more. CBJ could’ve retained (even slightly) on Nyquist, and made the cap work for Laine.

I would have gladly added a 2nd to Gus, gotten nothing in return, and been happier than this trade.

I imagine GMJK’s motivation was to clear long term cap space, since Gus is clear after this season, and Jake the season after. Problem is, winning teams are built around having these sorts of middle-class overproducing players/contracts, which Bjorkstrand was lined up to do, if not already doing it.

It just feel so short-sighted.

Which is to say, good for SEA. They talked about “weaponizing the cap” when they were blowing the expansion draft. These are the kinds of moves that showed they may have been onto something.

Hard to find people who understand why this trade was made the way it was. This was the market for moving cap. Kudos to being the only on one here that understands.



Ollie was a 3rd round pick so you never know. Better to get a bad return than to have to spend extra draft picks to move a contract.

That was ages ago so it's not reflective of the current market. Also, the Datsyuk cap hit as superficial because of him leaving to play in the KHL. He was not going to be paid any actual dollars by the team who took his cap hit. In fact, Arizona saved money on the trade, since they dumped a contract on Detroit.

If Pacioretty, a first line 40 goal scorer with only 1 year of term costs nothing due to the leverage over the cap, Brown only costs a 2nd, and Bjorkstrand is available discounted to a 3rd+4th, where does that leave the market for dumping Nyquist?

Not to mention, Columbus may have needed to dump LONG TERM cap to increase cap flexibility. Which means, walking away from Laine was the alternative, not dumping Nyquist, since he only has 1 year remaining.

2nd+ vs 3rd+ is grasping at straws and isn't a fair criticism of a trade like this where the value is based more around the cap flexibility the trade creates. Maybe Jarmo blinked first, and he could have gotten a 2nd instead of a 3rd, but in the grand scheme of things that isn't a major difference in value when it comes to what is important in a trade like this (freeing up multiple years of big cap).

CBJ should fire Jarmo for not thinking of this. What a terrible GM for forgetting about the other 30 teams in the league when talking trades. I can't believe he would be stupid enough to think the NHL is a 2 team league with only Columbus and Seattle.

When you saw this was it reported by Friedman? I think I saw it on Twitter earlier but I cannot find the Tweet.

Your post should say "you think Bjorkstrand should have had more value", not that he had value.

Yes, Columbus may have gotten more for him if they dealt him a month ago, or at the trade deadline. They were dealing from a position of weakness based on getting Gaudreau, which they likely did not anticipate.

I don't know how you can look at what players are being sold off for this off season and be surprised that good players with money and term are difficult to move this far into free agency when there is so little cap flexibility throughout the league.

Go and look up and down Capfriendly and see how many teams actually have 5.4M in cap space. Then disqualify teams that are budget teams. Then disqualify teams that still have outstanding RFAs/UFAs to add. Then disqualify teams that have different positions they need to prioritize filling (Ottawa with top 4 D for example). Then disqualify teams who need to maintain long term cap flexibility after this season.

Is it possible there is a reason Bjorkstrand was acquired by the one team who has the most long term cap flexibility in the entire league?

Everybody on Capfriendly should salivate for and understand a trade like this. This is a trade highly influenced by the dynamics of the salary cap. It is shocking to me the amount of people who don't understand these dynamics on a site devoted to how the cap works.

To expand on this idea.

There were only 11 teams who could take Bjorkstrand without sending CBJ back cap. Out of those 11 teams, 4 are unlikely to be a fit due to budget or other needs (OTT, ANA, BUF, ARZ), CHI appears to be rebuilding/tanking so they might not be a fit, NJD, DAL, NYI, and CGY have significant RFAs that will likely won't leave remaining cap for Bjorkstrand. Then you add in that he had a 10 team no trade list, so you can assume any Canadian team such as WPG has a high chance of being on it.

Who does that leave that can legitimately bid on Bjorkstrand ONLY accounting for cap space this year, and not accounting for cap space next year or beyond? Seattle and Detroit for sure. Then Chicago as a maybe if they don't care about adding him due to tanking, and Winnipeg ONLY if they aren't on his no trade list and do not have other moving parts to worry about (Cap coming back from possible Dubois deal with MTL for example).

So now out of Seattle and Detroit, the two possible destinations, do those two destinations have other teams calling them up, offering players? Are there still good free agents on the market? Yes to both.

In what world does any team who needs to dump (without taking back salary) a multi-year contract for a good (but not superstar tier) player have any leverage?

All this stuff is basic info that is out there to view. You can combine this info with the trades we see happen, and probably deduce that Jarmo did a good job here even to dump the player to facilitate the signing of Gaudreau without having to trade or walk away from Laine. There were like 2-4 possible teams with cap and money to back up that cap.

A 3rd and a 4th is worth a 2nd, depending on where there are in the round.
A 2nd and a 3rd is worth about 50% more than a 3rd and a 4th. That's a big difference.
I think they could have gotten a 2nd and a mid-tier prospect, someone who could have played in the NHL a couple of seasons.

Had Nyquist on a list of a dozen names I thought Seattle might take as part of a cap relief move by others. However, this is infinitely better!
Especially as these weren’t our own picks.
Super stoked, great work by Francis!

And poor Calgary, Gaudreau leaves them, then their own pick helps the destination team out of cap issues and strengthens a rival, ouch!

They prob could've gotten a 2nd plus for him.

Not that the Kraken didn't do a good job on this trade, but:

How many "good but not great" wingers can one team have?

Eberle, Schwartz, Burakovsky, Bjorkstrand, Donskoi, Tanev, and McCann (who is still a hybrid wing/center IMO).

Be interesting to see how they build their lines.

Not the player that Seattle needed perse... but an absolute steal. Seattles depth is looking much better, and while they dont have true stars on their team, theyve got some decent top 9 forwards now and will be in a position to deal further at the deadline as their not loaded with bad deals- just ones that teams couldnt afford (in this case due to the awful Gudbrandson signing....he shouldve got 1.5mil or less)

Beautiful response. All these wankers aren’t paying attention to these thing it I do love this deal on both ends as you said. You know we have spoke on here before and we respect each other because we know what we are talking about. Hats off to you.

You guys aren't geniuses by being contrarians. Your thinking is akin to thinking the Flyers did no wrong when they didnt offer a contract to Gaudreau.. Johnny wanted to sign there. The Flyers boxed them in a corner by mismanaging the cap. Sound familiar in Columbus?

By your logic, the lack of cap space wasn't their mistake despite Fletcher saying as much??! That is the Flyers fault for mismanaging the cap the same as it's the fault of Jarmo for dumping Bjorky for this meagre return. Did they have a choice. Debatable.. but clearly, this was avoidable much like the Gaudreau situation. Managing the cap means many things including foreseeing the team building

How did you get this.(your post) from my post (Complimenting Budget) for knowing there stuff. You don’t have to be a genius to know what everything means in terms of contracts and trades.

The winner of this trade is the Tamp Bay Lightning. They traded for cap space cheap as ****. FOUR years of Ryan McDonagh at 6.75 mil for a serviceable Dman at 2.5 mil for 1 year and 3 years of Tyler Johnson at 5 mil for a LTIRetired player in Seabrook and a 2nd. Just wild how teams help Tampa so much.

Obviously this is collateral damage from the Gaudreau signing, which I think caught Columbus by surprise. So Seattle gets a good player on a reasonable contract for only a couple of mid-round draft picks – obvious win for them – but from Columbus’s perspective, I think you have to look at it as Gaudreau is an upgrade over Bjorkstrand, and they add a couple of chips for their future prospect pool too, so they still come out ahead.

Some people have argued that they should have been able to find a way to dump cap hit without giving up such a talented player, but there would have been a cost for that. Gaudreau is signed for 7 years, so if they’re building around him, they may not want to give up futures for cap space now.

This trade is a tale of two stories not that we think about it

As while Gudbranson did lead to Gaudreau honestly CBJ might have fumbled the ball on this one as in the end they gave up a good player for not even a quarter of his actual value. And all because they overpaid a single Dman

why do you ppl act like the only way people can possibly disagree with you is because they dont understand the concept ur talking about? ppl understand it they just think its dumb lol