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If Muzzin would waive

Créé par: whatsmyageagain281
Date de création initiale: 19 juill. 2022
Publié: 19 juill. 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Kolesar, Keegan21 000 000 $
Sandin, Rasmus21 800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Milano, Sonny22 250 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. 2023 3e round pick (NSH)
  2. 2023 4e round pick (TOR)
NSH
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
2.
TOR
  1. 2023 4e round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Holl, Justin
Détails additionnels:
Anywhere
3.
TOR
  1. Jones, Max
  2. 2024 5e round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Muzzin, Jake
4.
TOR
  1. Kolesar, Keegan [Droits de RFA]
VGK
  1. 2023 3e round pick (TOR)
5.
TOR
  1. Whitecloud, Zach
VGK
  1. Hirvonen, Roni
  2. Villeneuve, William
  3. 2024 2e round pick (TOR)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2023
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Logo de NSH
Logo de TOR
Logo de PHI
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
2024
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de ANA
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de OTT
2025
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2482 500 000 $81 997 283 $212 500 $0 $502 717 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de TOR
Bunting, Michael
950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Milano, Sonny
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
796 667 $
AG
RFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Järnkrok, Calle
2 100 000 $
C, AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
Kolesar, Keegan
1 000 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
Logo de TOR
Engvall, Pierre
2 250 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de TOR
Kämpf, David
1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de TOR
Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
1 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de ANA
Jones, Max
1 295 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Gaudette, Adam
750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de TOR
Rielly, Morgan
7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de TOR
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Murray, Matt
4 687 500 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
1 800 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de VGK
Whitecloud, Zach
2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
Logo de TOR
Samsonov, Ilya
1 800 000 $
G
RFA - 1
Logo de TOR
Giordano, Mark
800 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Benn, Jordie
750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
Logo de TOR
Clifford, Kyle
762 500 $ (0 $)
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de TOR
Anderson, Joey
750 000 $ (0 $)
AD
RFA - 1

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19 juill. à 14 h 10
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Yeah you'd have to pay ANA to take Muzzin, Verbeek already publicly said he prefers to fill the roster through FA and short term deals, the extra year would be costly for TOR to get ANA to bite on
19 juill. à 14 h 11
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You forgot to provide compensation to Anaheim for taking Muzzin's contract. Muzzin without retention to anywhere is not happening unless Toronto adds a sweetener.

Retain 50% of his contract, and you might get this return.
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19 juill. à 14 h 12
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If Muzzin waives to a non-playoff team (no idea why he'd do that), you will be paying the receiving team.
19 juill. à 14 h 19
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If/when Kerfoot is moved, you'll receive a maximum of 1 draft pick in total.
19 juill. à 14 h 20
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If/when Kerfoot is moved, you'll receive a maximum of 1 draft pick in total.


We'll see.
19 juill. à 14 h 21
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We'll see.


Connor Brown returned a single draft pick, Kerfoot will do the same.
19 juill. à 14 h 25
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Connor Brown returned a single draft pick, Kerfoot will do the same.


A 2nd round pick, ya. Sure, if the Leafs get a second for him I expect it to be only the 1 pick. If it's beyond a 2nd then I would expect more than one pick.
19 juill. à 14 h 27
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A 2nd round pick, ya. Sure, if the Leafs get a second for him I expect it to be only the 1 pick. If it's beyond a 2nd then I would expect more than one pick.


It'll be a 3rd rounder I'd imagine, pretty well fair value and that player type is all over so not much for demanding a heavy payment for him honestly
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It'll be a 3rd rounder I'd imagine, pretty well fair value and that player type is all over so not much for demanding a heavy payment for him honestly


I would bet he gets the same as Brown tbh. I don't think he returns less than Brown. He's not going to get a 1st or anything but I think people undervalue him a lot.
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You forgot to provide compensation to Anaheim for taking Muzzin's contract. Muzzin without retention to anywhere is not happening unless Toronto adds a sweetener.

Retain 50% of his contract, and you might get this return.


If they get a sweetener I don't think it's a lot tbh. Muzzin isn't just a scrub or anything, he has value. He's not what he was of course, but would provide good leadership to a team like Anaheim that's very young. They're also wayyyy under the cap floor so they're not overly concerned about the cap.
19 juill. à 14 h 38
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If they get a sweetener I don't think it's a lot tbh. Muzzin isn't just a scrub or anything, he has value. He's not what he was of course, but would provide good leadership to a team like Anaheim that's very young. They're also wayyyy under the cap floor so they're not overly concerned about the cap.


Just because they have space doesn't mean that they're in the business of accepting bad value trades. Muzzin is still a serviceable player, but he's injury prone and no longer worth his contract. He'd be a good deal worth a mid-level asset at $2.8M AAV. At $5.6M, he's negative value, and Toronto would have to give up assets for anyone to take him.
19 juill. à 16 h 40
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Vegas accepts first trade but the second is definitely a pass.
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Vegas accepts first trade but the second is definitely a pass.


My mindset was they need to shed some more cap and Leafs need a RHD man so it makes sense as a fit. Of course I don't have an extensively in depth knowledge of every player on every team so hard to completely fairly evaluate. If you're a Vegas fan what adjustment would you make to make that a realistically fair offer?
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I would bet he gets the same as Brown tbh. I don't think he returns less than Brown. He's not going to get a 1st or anything but I think people undervalue him a lot.


I mean it's realistic I suppose, guess we'll find out who's right eventually
19 juill. à 21 h 53
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My mindset was they need to shed some more cap and Leafs need a RHD man so it makes sense as a fit. Of course I don't have an extensively in depth knowledge of every player on every team so hard to completely fairly evaluate. If you're a Vegas fan what adjustment would you make to make that a realistically fair offer?

Whitecloud is really good defensively and on a great contract so he won’t be a cap casualty. Upgrade 2nd to 2023 1st and I think it’s fair. My counter offer would be Whitecloud + Kolesar for 2023 1st + Robertson + Holl. I know it’s a lot but he’s cheap and locked up long term.
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Whitecloud is really good defensively and on a great contract so he won’t be a cap casualty. Upgrade 2nd to 2023 1st and I think it’s fair. My counter offer would be Whitecloud + Kolesar for 2023 1st + Robertson + Holl. I know it’s a lot but he’s cheap and locked up long term.


I could probably live with that provided Muzzin is moved first.
 
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