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Reading more of the thread's conversation, I just wanted to jump in and say I think it's really limiting the return to just focus on getting an RD back, because these values are flying all over the place when you do that.
BOS: Brandon Carlo is a decent defensive D (21-49-70 in 403 GP) who's 25 and has a reasonable 5x$4.1M deal. Mason Langenbrunner is a 5th round pick from 2020 who hasn't shown up on any Bruins prospect lists that I can find. A 2025 2nd has lower value since it's, y'know, three drafts away and hard to judge where it might land. This deal feels like a slam dunk for the Bruins to make if they want to keep pushing for the playoffs this year.
CAR: Ethan Bear is 25 and also is another less offensively-minded RHD (13-34-47 in 190 GP). Morrow is considered to be *at worst* Carolina's #2 prospect, plus what's probably a late 2nd in this year's deep draft class. This is too much, IMO, and way more valuable than the Boston offer (would you trade Carlo/Langenbrunner/2025 2nd for Bear/Morrow/2023 2nd?)
NYI: Dobson is the youngest NHL regular mentioned so far (22), and in 2021-22 he outscored Bear's career numbers (13-38-51) and got within shouting distance of Carlo's 403-game career scoring output. He's a much different player than anyone on the list so far, and I wouldn't consider trading him for either the Boston or Carolina packages, much less one-for-one with a walk year JT Miller. Even if he doesn't advance past this year's level, an RHD who can score 45-50 points while still being strong in his own end is a top-tier asset.
NYR: Lundkvist just came over to North America as a 21-year-old this year and held his own, so the Top-4 upside he came over from Sweden with should still hold. I don't hate the idea of the Rangers trading him since they have a handful of good-looking D prospects, but I also don't think adding a 1st & a 3rd to Lundkvist is necessary. He's more valuable than Bear, Carlo, or Langenbrunner to me and if the ask is NIls++, I pass.
TOR: This probably gets closest, to me? Liljegren is 23, has some experience in the NHL (5-18-23 in 61 GP this year) and should have room to grow. The pick is most likely in the mid/late 20s, so while it's a deep draft class, I can see the value being there for one year of Miller. But then you run into the problem that Toronto has no cap space - even if you fully retain on Miller, they *still* need to move out cap to make this deal work. I can't see the Leafs as a viable destination for Miller right now because of that.
MIN: This value is completely weird. Dumba is a pending UFA making $6M who has settled in as a 35-40 point D per 82 GP. So I'm not sure why a cap-strapped Minnesota is a)retaining and b)adding so much draft capital to get a player in Miller who makes them slightly better offensively but forces them to push up a player that might not be ready into every day minutes. I don't know why you wouldn't ask for Calen Addison here if you're dead-set on getting an RHD.
So yeah, I agree with the poster earlier who said the values are out of whack. I wouldn't move any of the other 5 deals for the Boston deal, and I honestly don't think any of the other 5 deals would get you Noah Dobson. And I seriously think if you get tunnel vision on filling a specific need with a JT Miller trade, you're going to get a weaker return or shut out other potential trade partners who might not be as flush in that asset.