Miller - Girard - CapFriendly - Masses salariales LNH

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Dobson, Noah	3	4 000 000 $
Romanov, Alexander	2	2 000 000 $
Bellows, Kieffer	1	1 000 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Milano, Sonny	1	2 000 000 $

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	81 414 963 $	245 796 $	1 287 500 $	1 085 037 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Miller, J.T. 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Barzal, Mathew 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Palmieri, Kyle 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG NTC UFA - 3
Lee, Anders 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG NTC UFA - 4	Nelson, Brock 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3	Wahlstrom, Oliver 894 167 $894 167 $ (537 500 $$538K) AD RFA - 1
Parise, Zach 750 000 $750 000 $ (750 000 $$750K) AG UFA - 1	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 4	Milano, Sonny 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Martin, Matt 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Cizikas, Casey 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ C UFA - 5	Clutterbuck, Cal 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Bellows, Kieffer 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Johnston, Ross 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ AG UFA - 4

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Pelech, Adam 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ DG NTC UFA - 7	Pulock, Ryan 6 150 000 $6 150 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 8	Varlamov, Semyon 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
	Dobson, Noah 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DD RFA - 3	Sorokin, Ilya 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Romanov, Alexander 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG RFA - 3	Mayfield, Scott 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 5
Aho, Sebastian 825 000 $825 000 $ DG UFA - 2

18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 43

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A couple of Girard to the Isles trades this am already! Unless Lou and Sakic have switched seats, I can't imagine the Avs doing you a major favour like this...Girard was playing almost 22 minutes a night last year, and is on a great deal for 5 more years...if they move him, I've gotta imagine it's not going to be cheap.

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18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 46

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Really depends how much Sakic needs the cap space. End of day, COL won the cup without Girard in the hardest 2 rounds of the playoffs. Also, Salo has solid potential, and the trade also includes a 2nd and 3rd - with the 3rd being from Seattle, which is likely to be in the top 5 of the 3rd round. I really don't think this is too unfair.

18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 46

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Quoting: Lenny7

A couple of Girard to the Isles trades this am already! Unless Lou and Sakic have switched seats, I can't imagine the Avs doing you a major favour like this...Girard was playing almost 22 minutes a night last year, and is on a great deal for 5 more years...if they move him, I've gotta imagine it's not going to be cheap.

Really depends how much Sakic needs the cap space. End of day, COL won the cup without Girard in the hardest 2 rounds of the playoffs. Also, Salo has solid potential, and the trade also includes a 2nd and 3rd - with the 3rd being from Seattle, which is likely to be in the top 5 of the 3rd round. I really don't think this is too unfair.

18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 50

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Quoting: JonnyLamoriello

Really depends how much Sakic needs the cap space. End of day, COL won the cup without Girard in the hardest 2 rounds of the playoffs. Also, Salo has solid potential, and the trade also includes a 2nd and 3rd - with the 3rd being from Seattle, which is likely to be in the top 5 of the 3rd round. I really don't think this is too unfair.

I can't see MacFarland (Sakic is president, not GM now) treating Girard like a cap dump - if he can't get the return he wants, he'll just keep him.

18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 51

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This trade is brutal for the Avs

18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 55

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A Girard trade to the Isles is bad asset management. Nothing against the player but to pay a guy that would be on your 3rd pairing $5M is not a good situation. As for the package the AVS could get a better return from a team that needed a top 4 LD. Neither team would make this trade.

Miller is most likely going to stay with Van and be a rental at the deadline where the Isles offer would be a 1st and prospect like Holmstrom. He is also a candidate for the worst contract of 2023 when he is a UFA as 30 year old forward typically do not age well and I would be hesitant to invest 7 years in him.

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18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 55

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Yes please

18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 55

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Isn't Beau & a 1st basically the deal Vancouver turned down already? Rumors are what they are, but I can't see them taking the deal all of a sudden now when there's no guarantee the Isles would be picking at #13 again next year (I assume if they trade for JT Miller the pick would be higher).

If Vancouver already passed on this deal, I don't know what I'd want to add. I also don't know what Vancouver is looking for that we have in terms of prospects. I know they want RD but beyond Bode Wilde (lol) there's nothing of value in the system to move out at that position. I honestly just think the Canucks and Isles don't match up well for a trade.

18 juill. 2022 à 10 h 58

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Quoting: JonnyLamoriello

Really depends how much Sakic needs the cap space. End of day, COL won the cup without Girard in the hardest 2 rounds of the playoffs. Also, Salo has solid potential, and the trade also includes a 2nd and 3rd - with the 3rd being from Seattle, which is likely to be in the top 5 of the 3rd round. I really don't think this is too unfair.

The Isles literally gave up more value than this for Romanov. ROMANOV!

18 juill. 2022 à 11 h 4

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Quoting: Warrior24

A Girard trade to the Isles is bad asset management. Nothing against the player but to pay a guy that would be on your 3rd pairing $5M is not a good situation. As for the package the AVS could get a better return from a team that needed a top 4 LD. Neither team would make this trade.

Miller is most likely going to stay with Van and be a rental at the deadline where the Isles offer would be a 1st and prospect like Holmstrom. He is also a candidate for the worst contract of 2023 when he is a UFA as 30 year old forward typically do not age well and I would be hesitant to invest 7 years in him.

Just speaking on Girard we know how evenly the Isles rotate d-pairs (plus he will get PP time) I'm not worried about how it looks on paper. You just called him a top-4 caliber defenseman. He'll get his minutes if he came here

18 juill. 2022 à 11 h 5

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

Isn't Beau & a 1st basically the deal Vancouver turned down already? Rumors are what they are, but I can't see them taking the deal all of a sudden now when there's no guarantee the Isles would be picking at #13 again next year (I assume if they trade for JT Miller the pick would be higher).

If Vancouver already passed on this deal, I don't know what I'd want to add. I also don't know what Vancouver is looking for that we have in terms of prospects. I know they want RD but beyond Bode Wilde (lol) there's nothing of value in the system to move out at that position. I honestly just think the Canucks and Isles don't match up well for a trade.

Wasn't the hold up that Vancouver wouldn't allow us to talk extension with him? Could understand Lou not paying that price without knowing Miller would be locked up long term

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18 juill. 2022 à 11 h 8

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Quoting: joshelkin

Just speaking on Girard we know how evenly the Isles rotate d-pairs (plus he will get PP time) I'm not worried about how it looks on paper. You just called him a top-4 caliber defenseman. He'll get his minutes if he came here

Just because he is a top-4 D does not mean the Isles should pursue him. That is bad asset management as those are picks/ prospects and cap space that can be used to acquire a scorer.

18 juill. 2022 à 11 h 18

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Quoting: Warrior24

A Girard trade to the Isles is bad asset management. Nothing against the player but to pay a guy that would be on your 3rd pairing $5M is not a good situation. As for the package the AVS could get a better return from a team that needed a top 4 LD. Neither team would make this trade.

Miller is most likely going to stay with Van and be a rental at the deadline where the Isles offer would be a 1st and prospect like Holmstrom. He is also a candidate for the worst contract of 2023 when he is a UFA as 30 year old forward typically do not age well and I would be hesitant to invest 7 years in him.

i think VAN if bluffing personally with regards to an extension for Miller. Have to wonder why an extension hasn’t come about yet, and if it doesn't happen by Sept/Oct it ain't happening. More importantly, I’m sure VAN wants to be a playoff team this coming season. To have this guy play all season on your team, and have to trade him at the deadline as you compete for a playoff spot, seems VERY counter productive. And if they keep him in march without an extension, they’ll lose him for nothing next summer. I think van has to lock in an extension by September or he gets moved before the season starts. Not to mention he could also get injured leading up to the trade deadline. BTW, miller would be very smart to sign an extension now (whether w van or elsewhere), coming off a 99 point season. That ain't an easy number to match or beat next season. If he declines in points, his next signing will be noticeably less. He needs to be smart about this.

18 juill. 2022 à 11 h 23

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Quoting: Warrior24

Just because he is a top-4 D does not mean the Isles should pursue him. That is bad asset management as those are picks/ prospects and cap space that can be used to acquire a scorer.

there are worse ways to use their assets (have you seen the guy around here saying it's a *great* idea to give Kadri a 6x$8M deal??) than getting a versatile guy like Girard. I don't love the cap hit, and I think the Isles would need to add something to that deal to make it happen, but I think it lets you shelter Romanov a little bit more and gives you 6 incredibly strong D - plus since Girard can play both sides, it gives you a little more flexibility in finding a Mayfield replacement next summer (if Bolduc's ready, slide Girard to RD3; if not, you can shop both sides for the best deal in UFA).

You're taking a little bit of a gamble about the cap going back to increasing at a more regular rate and that $5M cap hit not being a waste on the 3rd pair, but I don't think there's anything wrong with having two guys who could be second pair players on your third. Makes it easier to deal with the inevitable injuries and really makes you a beast of a team for the playoffs.

18 juill. 2022 à 11 h 31

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

there are worse ways to use their assets (have you seen the guy around here saying it's a *great* idea to give Kadri a 6x$8M deal??) than getting a versatile guy like Girard. I don't love the cap hit, and I think the Isles would need to add something to that deal to make it happen, but I think it lets you shelter Romanov a little bit more and gives you 6 incredibly strong D - plus since Girard can play both sides, it gives you a little more flexibility in finding a Mayfield replacement next summer (if Bolduc's ready, slide Girard to RD3; if not, you can shop both sides for the best deal in UFA).

You're taking a little bit of a gamble about the cap going back to increasing at a more regular rate and that $5M cap hit not being a waste on the 3rd pair, but I don't think there's anything wrong with having two guys who could be second pair players on your third. Makes it easier to deal with the inevitable injuries and really makes you a beast of a team for the playoffs.

Have not seen the Kadri post, but that would be the immediate worst signing of Free Agency.

It just does not make sense, the team needs those assets and cap to get a scorer and the Avs will clearly get a better package than that for Girard. The Avs are not going to let Girard go for less than what the Isles just traded for Romanov in a 1st round pick. So the Isles are going to trade another 1st round pick for a D-Man when they could use that to get a scorer.

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18 juill. 2022 à 11 h 36

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Quoting: Warrior24

Have not seen the Kadri post, but that would be the immediate worst signing of Free Agency.

It just does not make sense, the team needs those assets and cap to get a scorer and the Avs will clearly get a better package than that for Girard. The Avs are not going to let Girard go for less than what the Isles just traded for Romanov in a 1st round pick. So the Isles are going to trade another 1st round pick for a D-Man when they could use that to get a scorer.

I agree, the fact that the Avs can point to Romanov and say "better player, pay more" makes the deal hard to make. If they went for a deal like OP offered (Salo/2nd/3rd), or hell, even a little richer (throw in a Holmstrom maybe?) I'd think about it. But if it gets to a 1st++ it's just sinking too much in.

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18 juill. 2022 à 15 h 16

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VAN decline, they don't need wingers. They would want a young top 4 RHD as the starting piece for a Miller trade.

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