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Updated CBJ plan following Blankenburg signing

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Équipe: 2022-23 Blue Jackets de Columbus
Date de création initiale: 15 juill. 2022
Publié: 15 juill. 2022
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CBJ gang, and fans of the Ducks/Flames/Sens/Preds, would love feedback on this, now that Blanky signed at a solid value. I see one of Foudy, Bemstrom or TFW being the most likely sweetener in a Nyquist cap dump deal. Note to CBJ fans, this is what I envision as the Opening Night lineup. Johnson will be up soon enough, but it makes sense to let him get 1C minutes in Cleveland and develop there if he can hack it. Same with Chinakhov and Blankenburg, who need minutes, and aren't likely to get enough in Columbus to start the year.
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I figure this would likely be enough enticement for the Ducks, who need to get to the cap floor anyways. Minimal assets to give up, you take a flyer on a guy like Foudy who has speed to burn and could be a guy like Milano who needs a change of scenery, and Nyquist comes off the books next year when Zegras, Drysdale, Comtois, and Terry need new deals.
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  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (CBJ)
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    ALTERNATIVE TO DUCKS TRADE ABOVE

    Future considerations or a pick
    CGY
      Nyquist plus (Foudy or Bemstrom) and a mid round pick

      Would the Flames even consider being the team that helps Columbus keep Laine? Gotta feel like it'd go over like a lead balloon with the fanbase. Still, Nyquist would be a legit contributor, particularly if they keep Tkachuk/Mangiapane and need a strong middle 6 winger in an effort to contend
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        2024 2nd round pick (WAS)
        OTT
          Nyquist plus (Foudy or Bemstrom) and a mid round pick

          Sens get to keep their own pick, and they add Nyquist to that now threatening forward group. Talked about this as an idea in my previous AGM. This only makes sense if they don't add another big contract in FA (Kadri, Klingberg, etc.).
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            2023 3rd (either San Jose or Nashville, whichever is lower)
            NSH
              Nyquist plus (Foudy or Bemstrom) and a 2023 4th

              This is a spot that I think makes a lot of sense to send Gus. They've got plenty of cap space, but he doesn't jam them up long-term. And he slots neatly into that middle 6 for them.
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              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 7
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              Doing the usual roll call @viqsi @Ajp_18 @dopplsan
              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 8
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              I think it's sensible.
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              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 10
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              Our problems got weird real fast, didn't they? I still need time to adapt to my team being one that makes AGMs like this, not just bottom feedery ones.
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              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 13
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              OTT Says no,

              They have one of the best top 6 forward groups in the league now they have no need for Nyquist
              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 17
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              Quoting: NDoody
              OTT Says no,

              They have one of the best top 6 forward groups in the league now they have no need for Nyquist


              We just traded Brown for a 2nd to make room for a D addition. Can't see us adding another forward.
              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 18
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              Looks solid to me. I like it
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              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 20
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              Quoting: NDoody
              OTT Says no,

              They have one of the best top 6 forward groups in the league now they have no need for Nyquist


              Quoting: gavinray
              We just traded Brown for a 2nd to make room for a D addition. Can't see us adding another forward.


              These are both very fair points, and I appreciate them! If they miss out on Klingberg, not sure where they go, though, and Nyquist as a 3W isn't a bad consolation. 40+ points for 8 years running, defensively sound, and a good mentor to the younger players while not clogging your cap when it's time to extend Stutzle/DeBrincat.
              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 24
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              These are both very fair points, and I appreciate them! If they miss out on Klingberg, not sure where they go, though, and Nyquist as a 3W isn't a bad consolation. 40+ points for 8 years running, defensively sound, and a good mentor to the younger players while not clogging your cap when it's time to extend Stutzle/DeBrincat.


              Formenton - Pinto - Jospeh is already a great third line, at the collective cost these players will come in at I don't see Nyquist as a better replacement on that line.
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              15 juill. 2022 à 16 h 26
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              Formenton - Pinto - Jospeh is already a great third line, at the collective cost these players will come in at I don't see Nyquist as a better replacement on that line.


              Fair enough! This is why I wanted feedback from fans of other teams.
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              15 juill. 2022 à 18 h 7
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              Idk if we get that return but at this point they could get whatever return and I’d be happy.
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              15 juill. 2022 à 18 h 31
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              would suck to lose Nyquist but I have no issue losing Foudy, probably out of room for him in the future now
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              15 juill. 2022 à 21 h 36
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              @viqsi @Ajp_18 @dopplsan @dk325 @pocke @The_Cannon @AndrewPawlack @squashmaple

              Is it time to start sending Nyquist or Bean to either Toronto or Edmonton for the constant Kerfoot, Foegele, Barrie, Kassian trades?
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              15 juill. 2022 à 21 h 41
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              Quoting: Ajp_18
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              Is it time to start sending Nyquist or Bean to either Toronto or Edmonton for the constant Kerfoot, Foegele, Barrie, Kassian trades?


              I think both teams could really benefit from our castoffs.
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              15 juill. 2022 à 22 h 11
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              viqsi Ajp_18 dopplsan dk325 pocke The_Cannon AndrewPawlack squashmaple

              Is it time to start sending Nyquist or Bean to either Toronto or Edmonton for the constant Kerfoot, Foegele, Barrie, Kassian trades?


              Boston now also has Zacha to give us now when Foligno is traded back to us
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              15 juill. 2022 à 22 h 35
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              Nah.
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              Modifié 15 juill. 2022 à 22 h 58
              Quoting: Ajp_18
              viqsi Ajp_18 dopplsan dk325 pocke The_Cannon AndrewPawlack squashmaple

              Is it time to start sending Nyquist or Bean to either Toronto or Edmonton for the constant Kerfoot, Foegele, Barrie, Kassian trades?


              We need to keep doing that, and even when they tell us “no,” jsut keep doing it more and telling them they are wrong and don’t know what’s best for their teams.

              But yeah, all told @benjgc , this about nails where we are at. Nyquist or Jake are packaged and moved, and considering it is a buyer’s market for cap dumps (Nyquist and Jake are both legit contributors, but frankly they are what they are - players being moved to get rid of cap), our return (if any) is depressed.

              I agree with @Ajp_18 - I feel we can get value for them, but if push comes to shove and we make a “future considerations” move with Gus or Jake, I won’t be too upset. Gus was a FA signing, and Jake was had in the Cam 1-for-1 trade, so the only thing we are losing/gaining, so to speak, is money (I.e we aren’t looking at that trade and saying “wow we gave up X pick or Y prospect for nothing!”).

              Then again, I am now pushing for a trade with ANA a la what @jphaxx and I put together here.

              The only fear I have is that I have heard one too many moves suggesting we ship Bjorkstrand out. I am wholly against this. his team-friendly deal is the exact type of middle-class signing that competing teams need - a $4M-$6M guy over-performing on a contract with term. I know moving him would bring back real value, but if we’ve made our play for JG, I’m more inclined to take one-in-the-hand and use the value we get out of him instead of rolling for picks and prospects, even if they could end up being trade assets themselves. I’d rather give up Gus or Jake for nothing than trade Bjorky right now.
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              15 juill. 2022 à 22 h 43
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              Doing the usual roll call viqsi Ajp_18 dopplsan


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              Trevor31lv dk325 pocke


              I am also going full Sally Field at being included in the roll-call.
              15 juill. 2022 à 22 h 59
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              Quoting: AndrewPawlack
              would suck to lose Nyquist but I have no issue losing Foudy, probably out of room for him in the future now


              There really isn't much of a future spot for him is there? I think the soonest he could really fit in is 2 years from now if/when Voracek doesn't re-sign and then either Johnson or Marchenko takes that wing spot in the top 6. He could maybe fit in the bottom 6 then, but there could easily be another guy by then that takes that spot too.

              Quoting: Ajp_18
              viqsi Ajp_18 dopplsan dk325 pocke The_Cannon AndrewPawlack squashmaple

              Is it time to start sending Nyquist or Bean to either Toronto or Edmonton for the constant Kerfoot, Foegele, Barrie, Kassian trades?


              All over it.
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              19 juill. 2022 à 15 h 3
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              Would love feedback from more fans of teams mentioned here. Feel free to tag anyone else I've missed.

              Nashville: @villenash
              Anaheim: @GeneralLandro
              Calgary: @Gmonwy
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              19 juill. 2022 à 16 h 10
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              NSH would require retention, but I also don’t see them paying extra for it. I think this would be an interesting move for NSH as it gives them a top 9 winger for next season and doesn’t hurt the long-term cap (so Jeannot, Carrier, and Fabbro can be signed more easily). If the price becomes too high with retention, I’d lean towards Kessel or Milano or Heinen or someone like that in FA on a 1-year deal.
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              19 juill. 2022 à 16 h 17
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              Quoting: villenash
              NSH would require retention, but I also don’t see them paying extra for it. I think this would be an interesting move for NSH as it gives them a top 9 winger for next season and doesn’t hurt the long-term cap (so Jeannot, Carrier, and Fabbro can be signed more easily). If the price becomes too high with retention, I’d lean towards Kessel or Milano or Heinen or someone like that in FA on a 1-year deal.


              Would it work better to send Voracek with about $3M retained, rather than Nyquist? Better distributor for the top-6, might be a better fit in a lineup with Joey, Forsberg, and Tolvanen.
              19 juill. 2022 à 16 h 55
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              Would it work better to send Voracek with about $3M retained, rather than Nyquist? Better distributor for the top-6, might be a better fit in a lineup with Joey, Forsberg, and Tolvanen.


              I imagine $3m retention will be expensive— what kind of deal are you thinking? Most likely it wouldn’t be ideal since it makes it harder to sign Jeannot, Carrier, and Fabbro, but I’m still curious— always been a fan of Voracek.
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              I imagine $3m retention will be expensive— what kind of deal are you thinking? Most likely it wouldn’t be ideal since it makes it harder to sign Jeannot, Carrier, and Fabbro, but I’m still curious— always been a fan of Voracek.


              I mean, ideally, it'd be a 2nd or 3rd round pick plus a promising young forward who's waivers-exempt. Problem there is that the only guys from Nashville who'd really fit that description are Tomasino (who I'm certain is a non-starter) and Evangelista (who almost certainly is as well).
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              19 juill. 2022 à 18 h 25
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              The Ducks aren’t giving up a 2nd to help your cap situation
               
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