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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #8 - Gone Fishing

16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 20
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Quoting: Alfie11
very sad dorion didn’t outbid that. at least my bet with my pens fan buddy that the sens finish higher than the pens in 23-24 looks better by the day


I could see Severson heading to the Sens
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 20
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Quoting: Alfie11
the pens now have 5 LD that could play in the NHL next year (dumo pettersson matheson poj smith), and like just letang and rutta on the right? we really gonna count chad ruhwedel?


Can’t see POJ getting a roster spot, I’d say one of POJ and Pettersson is gone
16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 22
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Quoting: Alfie11
the pens now have 5 LD that could play in the NHL next year (dumo pettersson matheson poj smith), and like just letang and rutta on the right? we really gonna count chad ruhwedel?


I feel the plan is

Dumo-Letang
Petey-Smith
Matheson-Rutta

But maybe Petey moved to make room for POJ
16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 23
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
I could see Severson heading to the Sens


I can't see Severson being moved before the TDL.
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 26
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Quoting: Tintin
I can't see Severson being moved before the TDL.


Yep as honestly why rush Nemec.

Let him adjust in the AHL a bit and if he is way to good trade Severson out and make room
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 28
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Quoting: Juiceman
Lol seems like a pretty underwhelming package. What do they need with another RHD?
Hamilton
Severson
Marino
Nemec
Casey

How will they all fit in a few years?


I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade severson
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 30
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I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade severson


More likely that he just walks at the end of 22-23, or traded at TDL if the Devils are yet again out of the playoffs.
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 37
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Quoting: Tintin
I can't see Severson being moved before the TDL.


Devils roll with Dougie, Sevo, and Marino to start the year
Sevo gets dealt at deadline; Nemec gets called up
16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 42
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Quoting: Devil
Devils roll with Dougie, Sevo, and Marino to start the year
Sevo gets dealt at deadline; Nemec gets called up


It's plausible but my worry is that it'd be way too early for Nemec to step in.
Severson is ridiculously important to the Devils and they'd be much more competitive with him than Nemec.

Besides, would prefer it if Nemec got his first call up at the tail end of 23-24.
However, I think the most likely scenario is that Severson walks and Nemec just takes his vacant spot in the lineup for 23-24.
16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 43
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
I could see Severson heading to the Sens

That could happen. I wouldn’t mind as long as we can get him locked up to like 5x5 or less. Any more and I’d prefer to just go for Weegar
16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 44
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That could happen. I wouldn’t mind as long as we can get him locked up to like 5x5 or less. Any more and I’d prefer to just go for Weegar


I cannot see Severson signing for below 5m.
16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 47
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Quoting: Tintin
I cannot see Severson signing for below 5m.

Hasn’t he heavily regressed defensively from where he was like 2 years ago?
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 47
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That could happen. I wouldn’t mind as long as we can get him locked up to like 5x5 or less. Any more and I’d prefer to just go for Weegar


Yes to Weegar over Severson
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 49
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Just saw a Devils fan tell me Severson is more valuable than JT Miller…
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 50
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Yes to Weegar over Severson

Imo Weegar is the ideal partner for Chabot. Both are effective in transition (Chabot arguably the best transition D in the league), and Weegar is rock solid defensively as well, which allows Chabot to join the rush, where he’s extremely effective. I would be over the moon if we landed Weegar but I reckon he costs 6.5+ (we could probably make it work but we’d have to bridge Stutzle/Pinto and maybe trade Formenton and/or Joseph).
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 52
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Quoting: Alfie11
Imo Weegar is the ideal partner for Chabot. Both are effective in transition (Chabot arguably the best transition D in the league), and Weegar is rock solid defensively as well, which allows Chabot to join the rush, where he’s extremely effective. I would be over the moon if we landed Weegar but I reckon he costs 6.5+ (we could probably make it work but we’d have to bridge Stutzle/Pinto and maybe trade Formenton and/or Joseph).


I read that as Chiarot and was thinking "What the hell is he talking about" then I re-read it lol
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 53
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I read that as Chiarot and was thinking "What the hell is he talking about" then I re-read it lol

Yeah Chiarot is actually the best transition D in the league, he just decided to not show anybody so Yzerman could sign him for below market value. The Yzerplan strikes again
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16 juill. 2022 à 13 h 56
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Quoting: Alfie11
Hasn’t he heavily regressed defensively from where he was like 2 years ago?


I don't think so. He's been playing well at defense for as long as I remember.
I cannot recall seeing anything in his play to be concerned with his defense (or any part of his game for that matter), nor any analysis to corroborate such an idea.
16 juill. 2022 à 14 h 8
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Quoting: Tintin
I don't think so. He's been playing well at defense for as long as I remember.
I cannot recall seeing anything in his play to be concerned with his defense (or any part of his game for that matter), nor any analysis to corroborate such an idea.

I coulda sworn I saw one of those jfresh bios that had him below average defensively either earlier this year or following 20-21, but I can’t find it now (I don’t sub to jfresh or eprinkside). I do sub to the Athletic though, and I just checked Dom’s player cards and apparently it’s his offense that’s below average (but not bottom third), while his defense remains above average (but not top third). Solid 2-way guy still. Dom did peg his market value at 6.7mil this year. I wouldn’t go that high on his next deal because he’s gonna be 29 when his next contract kicks in, but maybe 5.5-6mil on a 5 year term.
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16 juill. 2022 à 14 h 13
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Quoting: Alfie11
I coulda sworn I saw one of those jfresh bios that had him below average defensively either earlier this year or following 20-21, but I can’t find it now (I don’t sub to jfresh or eprinkside). I do sub to the Athletic though, and I just checked Dom’s player cards and apparently it’s his offense that’s below average (but not bottom third), while his defense remains above average (but not top third). Solid 2-way guy still. Dom did peg his market value at 6.7mil this year. I wouldn’t go that high on his next deal because he’s gonna be 29 when his next contract kicks in, but maybe 5.5-6mil on a 5 year term.


The team overall has gotten worse as well
16 juill. 2022 à 14 h 34
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The team overall has gotten worse as well

This is true, but the overarching offense/defense metrics for defensemen use xGF/xGA weighted significantly more heavily than actual GF/GA in Dom’s model. I’m not sure if he also incorporates PDO into his equation though, so it’s possible that even though xGF/xGA is weighted 4x heavier than actual GF/GA, New Jersey’s atrocious goaltending could negatively influence that defense stat by allowing far more actual GA. It is normalized relative to team (although Severson I believe is only New Jersey’s 2nd best defensive defenseman, Siegenthaler was unreal this year) but also relative to average, which probably hurts him. So maybe there’s room for improvement on a better team with a better system. I also think that maybe this stat could be improved by factoring in GSAX to account for goaltender quality, but I don’t know enough about the intricacies of advanced stats to know for sure. I would love to dig into this kinda thing, but I feel like the learning curve to get to the point where I’m actually finding ways to improve the stats that get output would be far too high when I’m not getting paid to do it lol
16 juill. 2022 à 14 h 43
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Anyone know how Ty Smith looks on the right?
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16 juill. 2022 à 14 h 46
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How is Niederriter still not signed?
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16 juill. 2022 à 14 h 47
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How is Niederriter still not signed?


Teams waiting to see if they get Klingberg/Kadri before giving Nino a serious deal
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16 juill. 2022 à 14 h 54
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Quoting: edeangel84
Anyone know how Ty Smith looks on the right?


He mostly plays left but can play right
 
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