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(TOR/OTT) - future considerations for Murray + 2023 3rd rd pick + 2024 7th round pick

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17 oct. 2022 à 6 h 44
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Quoting: aadoyle
Even then it doesnt mean anything. He could come back and light up the league or he could stay on the IR. It sucks but once he's back he and Sammy will be a fine tandem with Sammy taking more of the load while Murray can be eased back in

Either way as you seem to forget we paid nothing for him and when he goes on LTIR we gain cap space lul


Leafs don't functionally gain cap space, because they need to be able to clear 4.XX million to activate him. Murray perpetually getting injured for weeks at a time puts them in a position where they cannot use the LTIR space, beyond call ups that can later be re-assigned to the AHL.

There is also a major opportunity cost attached to Murray. That is cap that the Leafs could have used on a different player or goalie. Not to mention, they helped a division rival, who are a budget team, clear cash.
17 oct. 2022 à 13 h 16
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Quoting: budgeteam
Leafs don't functionally gain cap space, because they need to be able to clear 4.XX million to activate him. Murray perpetually getting injured for weeks at a time puts them in a position where they cannot use the LTIR space, beyond call ups that can later be re-assigned to the AHL.

There is also a major opportunity cost attached to Murray. That is cap that the Leafs could have used on a different player or goalie. Not to mention, they helped a division rival, who are a budget team, clear cash.


u do realize they have the space already. They just got to send Robertson and Kallgren who are waiver exempt to the marlies, and waive Mete and Simmonds. So there really isnt any "clearing space lul" as those guys were already down to begin with when he was healthy. And were not using his entire 4mill in space lul
17 oct. 2022 à 15 h 6
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Quoting: aadoyle
u do realize they have the space already. They just got to send Robertson and Kallgren who are waiver exempt to the marlies, and waive Mete and Simmonds. So there really isnt any "clearing space lul" as those guys were already down to begin with when he was healthy. And were not using his entire 4mill in space lul


Re-read my post, you didn't understand.
21 oct. 2022 à 10 h 58
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As a Sens fan, I admittedly love coming back to the comment section of this trade.

Makes me very happy.

Solid Ottawa W.
25 nov. 2022 à 16 h 39
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wasn't this murray guy supposed to be bad or something
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25 nov. 2022 à 17 h 20
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wasn't this murray guy supposed to be bad or something


he might need surgery though, rumour has it he's got that dawg in him.
25 nov. 2022 à 17 h 22
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Quoting: mondo
wasn't this murray guy supposed to be bad or something


I'm enjoying looking back on all the votes in OTT's favor.
25 nov. 2022 à 17 h 51
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Quoting: mondo
wasn't this murray guy supposed to be bad or something


He would be their best goalie
25 nov. 2022 à 19 h 0
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Quoting: mondo
wasn't this murray guy supposed to be bad or something


Quoting: leafs101
he might need surgery though, rumour has it he's got that dawg in him.


Quoting: Ritzy
I'm enjoying looking back on all the votes in OTT's favor.


Quoting: DarcyTucker
He would be their best goalie


LOL, hold your horses he has played five games
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25 nov. 2022 à 19 h 11
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Quoting: oilersguy
LOL, hold your horses he has played five games


5 games after missing a month with a groin injury and yet has a 0.921 against good teams and Buffalo

Pretty good considering if we look at the alternatives we used to have

Campbell 0.876SV
Mrazek 0.885SV
Anderson 0.891SV
25 nov. 2022 à 19 h 31
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Quoting: oilersguy
LOL, hold your horses he has played five games


Then hold your horses with Stuart Skinner
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25 nov. 2022 à 19 h 46
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Quoting: oilersguy
LOL, hold your horses he has played five games


I’m actually with you on this one, still not 100% convinced with Murray. And everyone seems to be forgetting that he spent a month on LTIR already this season. I really hope he is the answer but I’m not going to plan the parade after 5 games.
29 nov. 2022 à 11 h 7
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ok now that the season started who actually won this trade?
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30 nov. 2022 à 9 h 51
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ok now that the season started who actually won this trade?


It’s early still, but Toronto won by a mile.
30 nov. 2022 à 12 h 18
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Quoting: python3504
ok now that the season started who actually won this trade?


If Murray can keep up this level of play and stay healthy, it is obviously a huge win for Toronto to get a Vezina caliber goalie at 4.7M x 2 years.

Murray had streaks of very strong play in Ottawa where he would average a .915+ save percentage over multiple games. He would then get hurt, and lose all his momentum. Until he shows he can remain healthy for long stretches of time, I am skeptical about him.

Because Ottawa is a budget team, you have to look at what they gained by proxy. Ottawa paid a 3rd+7th to free up 5.25M this season and 6M next season. They spent 3M of that on Murray's replacement, Cam Talbot. Ironically, Talbot was injured in training camp. Which is what the Senators tried to avoid by moving Murray. Since returning, Talbot has provided more consistent play than Murray did for his entire tenure as a Senator. Similar to Murray, I won't be sold on Talbot until I see a larger sample size of strong play.

Keep in mind, the Senators got Talbot for free. Gustavsson was a sunk cost who was likely to end up on waivers. If anything, he was a detriment to the Senators since he was on a 1-way contract and the Senators have a budget to uphold. With that said, he is playing well in Minnesota as their #2 goalie so it is possible he would have stuck with Ottawa.

If you analyze all the related deals, Toronto traded Mrazek, and the 25th pick for Murray (@ 4.7M) the 38th pick, and a future 3rd and 7th round pick.

Ottawa traded a 3rd, a 7th, Murray, and Gustavsson for Cam Talbot, 2.25M in salary relief, and 6M in salary relief next year.

If Murray keeps playing this way, the Senators are going to regret giving Toronto a franchise goalie. With that said, the likelihood of Murray remaining healthy is low based on his injury history.
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7 déc. 2022 à 13 h 1
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RIP Dorion
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Is it finally time for all the Sens fans to admit that Toronto won this by far???? Murray has .911 save percentage and a 2.72 GAA. He would be the starter on most teams but Sammy is playing out of his mind right now?
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