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Keep Sandin for the love of god

Créé par: Lambchopz
Date de création initiale: 6 juill. 2022
Publié: 6 juill. 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Engvall, Pierre32 250 000 $
Strome, Dylan33 750 000 $
Sandin, Rasmus21 400 000 $
Rubins, Kristians2750 000 $
Scott, Ian2750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Stecher, Troy1800 000 $
Rask, Victor11 350 000 $
Cousins, Nick11 200 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Tandem Goalie, Best one available13 000 000 $
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1.
TOR
    Any team interested. St Louis, Detroit, etc could be very good fits
    CHI
    1. Muzzin, Jake
    Détails additionnels:
    McDonaugh treatment. Has a NTC, but not a NMC, meaning he can still go on waivers if needed, forcing Muzzin to pick a team to go to. I love the guy but Sandin will be better. Don’t know what the return is but probably a small one but that’s ok
    2.
    TOR
      COL
      1. Holl, Justin
      Détails additionnels:
      Very solid d man, makes the odd mistake so people hate him. Would be a very good fit for the 3rd pair in Colorado. Don’t know what the return would be but probably similar to what guys like Lauzon, Kulak, etc got (late 2nd or so)
      3.
      TOR
        Any team. As mentioned, Dallas could be a fit, but if not there are plenty of contenders who would be interested
        COL
        1. Kerfoot, Alexander
        Détails additionnels:
        Traded to whatever team is interested. Dallas could be a very good fit. Very solid middle 6er, but doesn’t fit what I’m going for with these lines here so I move him. Likely costs a late 1st/early 2nd or close to that value. 2 years ago, teams were rumoured to offer a 2nd round pick for A. Johnsson (Leafs chose to take Joey Anderson instead, as they wanted a more NHL ready option). Kerfoot is in a comparable situation but is coming off a far better season and is also the more versatile player so he has higher value (Yes, Kerfoot only has 1 year on his contract left, but that shouldn’t lower his value too too much)
        4.
        TOR
        1. Strome, Dylan [Droits de RFA]
        Détails additionnels:
        The rumours are that he won’t even get qualified, so his value is low. Whatever the minor cost is, we get him (maybe a low end prospect with offensive potential like a Mikhail Abramov type)
        CHI
          5.
          TOR
          1. Marino, John
          Détails additionnels:
          The big add. Moving out Muzzin leaves a gap in the lineup for a more defensive top 4 d man. I love the fit of Marino next to Rielly on the Right side, and it also gives Sandin that spot on the left side by moving Muzzin. Don’t know what the cost would be but it’s worth it. In 2 years from this offseason or so (once Niemela is ready for a top 4 role), Marino can be reflipped for an equal if not bigger package (value could easily going up playing in a big market next to Rielly on the top pair)
          PIT
            Not sure what the ask would be but we get it done. Kerfoot would be a good fit to go back in the trade (with other assets of course). Here I have the trade as Abbruzze (young NHL ready forward with a lot of skill) as a start to the return, and more picks/prospects can be added on top of this. I want to keep Abbruzzese but I don’t like the fit on the bottom line for right now and if we can use him + more to get Marino I think it makes a lot of sense. Abbruzzese could also get a lot of opportunity next to the offensive talent in Pittsburgh that may have a few holes in the roster based on whatever happens in FA
            6.
            TOR
              PIT
              1. Abruzzese, Nick
              Détails additionnels:
              + More
              7.
              TOR
                Wherever for whatever picks
                PIT
                1. Kase, Ondrej [Droits de RFA]
                Détails additionnels:
                Campbell’s UFA rights
                Mikheyev’s UFA rights
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                Nylander, William
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                Marner, Mitchell
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                Bunting, Michael
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                AG
                UFA - 1
                Strome, Dylan
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                C, AG
                RFA - 1
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                Tavares, John
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                Engvall, Pierre
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                Kämpf, David
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                Robertson, Nicholas
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                AG, C
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                Anderson, Joey
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                Rielly, Morgan
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                Marino, John
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                Mrázek, Petr
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                Sandin, Rasmus
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                Brodie, TJ
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                DG/DD
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                UFA - 2
                Tandem Goalie, Best one available
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                Giordano, Mark
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                DG
                UFA - 2
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                Liljegren, Timothy
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                6 juill. à 17 h 6
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                This is the laziest ACGM I've ever seen made.
                6 juill. à 17 h 10
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                You potentially made the goalie situation worse than last year. Because any goalie at $3M is going to perform worse than Soupy.

                You put Strome as the center over Tavares.

                Waive Muzzin might work, but that's not great for your locker room, and your legitimate playoff experience is all in the top pair.
                6 juill. à 17 h 13
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                Quoting: tryger
                You potentially made the goalie situation worse than last year. Because any goalie at $3M is going to perform worse than Soupy.

                You put Strome as the center over Tavares.

                Waive Muzzin might work, but that's not great for your locker room, and your legitimate playoff experience is all in the top pair.


                Tavares could be the C but I think he could excel better as a winger. Either way, doesn’t matter. Whichever one fits better as the C

                Muzzin is a big blow but to get Sandin down plus get younger I think it makes sense, as much as it will suck. The other option is to force one of Sandin, Rielly, Gio, or Muzz to play RD.

                Goalies were hard but they are so random. Mrazek is too talented not to bounce back to a certain degree, and 3M could get you a very solid goalie (tandem, as I mentioned). If they really don’t want Mrazek, they could trade him with assets to dump and use the 7M in cap to get either Campbell back or take a shot on a bigger goalie and then sign a 1-2 million dollar backup
                6 juill. à 17 h 14
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                Quoting: Racki
                This is the laziest ACGM I've ever seen made.


                Would rather my comments be actual discussion comments than ones about the trade values so I didn’t bother to make actual value mock trades, if that’s what you’re referring to, but if you took the time to read what I wrote I took guesstimates at a lot of the values
                6 juill. à 17 h 21
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                Quoting: Lambchopz
                Tavares could be the C but I think he could excel better as a winger. Either way, doesn’t matter. Whichever one fits better as the C

                Muzzin is a big blow but to get Sandin down plus get younger I think it makes sense, as much as it will suck. The other option is to force one of Sandin, Rielly, Gio, or Muzz to play RD.

                Goalies were hard but they are so random. Mrazek is too talented not to bounce back to a certain degree, and 3M could get you a very solid goalie (tandem, as I mentioned). If they really don’t want Mrazek, they could trade him with assets to dump and use the 7M in cap to get either Campbell back or take a shot on a bigger goalie and then sign a 1-2 million dollar backup


                It's more if you do players dirty like McDonough don't expect those Toronto discounts going forward. Dubas is a players GM, and I don't see him doing Muzzin dirty when he'll have a real chance to move him next season when Sandin has taken more time at 2LD.
                6 juill. à 17 h 30
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                Quoting: tryger
                It's more if you do players dirty like McDonough don't expect those Toronto discounts going forward. Dubas is a players GM, and I don't see him doing Muzzin dirty when he'll have a real chance to move him next season when Sandin has taken more time at 2LD.


                The thing is, if they don’t do it now, then it’ll be even harder to do next offseason. I get that it would be rough for the players, but hockey is a tough business and if it’s for the best of the team it makes a lot of sense, and the players know that. I don’t think Tampa is gonna get in much trouble for what they did. Besides, doing this can assert Dubas as a “tougher guy” (I couldn’t care less about this but other GMs mighty care so it’s an added bonus)
                6 juill. à 17 h 38
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                The thing is, if they don’t do it now, then it’ll be even harder to do next offseason. I get that it would be rough for the players, but hockey is a tough business and if it’s for the best of the team it makes a lot of sense, and the players know that. I don’t think Tampa is gonna get in much trouble for what they did. Besides, doing this can assert Dubas as a “tougher guy” (I couldn’t care less about this but other GMs mighty care so it’s an added bonus)


                It's the locker room that gets hurt, leadership is like 3-5 people on each team. If you are constantly changing the core, players need to adapt and leadership is in flux.

                The cap space you need can be had for taking a beat on Mzarek and moving Holl, you don't lose leadership, defensive depth, or playoff performance from that move. If you are Dubas and you made your team upset with you for waiving Muzzin and Sandin is struggling with the increase of minutes, your days as a GM could be numbered.
                6 juill. à 19 h 6
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                Quoting: tryger
                It's the locker room that gets hurt, leadership is like 3-5 people on each team. If you are constantly changing the core, players need to adapt and leadership is in flux.

                The cap space you need can be had for taking a beat on Mzarek and moving Holl, you don't lose leadership, defensive depth, or playoff performance from that move. If you are Dubas and you made your team upset with you for waiving Muzzin and Sandin is struggling with the increase of minutes, your days as a GM could be numbered.


                That could happen, but there are plenty of d men who can step up if Sandin isn’t ready, for example, Giordano. The point of moving Muzz wasn’t really even the cap space, it was to give Sandin the clearance to top 4 minutes and a full time spot on his proper side. While doing that, you also leave the option to get a cheaper replacement who plays the right side, so he can partner with Rielly. The leadership lose hurts, but the Leafs have plenty of leaders on the team, and losing Jake Muzzin won’t crumble the team in the locker room. It could hurt it but it won’t destroy the team. I get the logic that it hurts because it’s true, it will hurt the locker room, but every team loses leaders, and if losing one guy (who isn’t the captain) crumbles the locker room, than sadly this team wouldn’t be going anywheres anyways yk
                6 juill. à 19 h 18
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                Quoting: tryger
                You potentially made the goalie situation worse than last year. Because any goalie at $3M is going to perform worse than Soupy.

                You put Strome as the center over Tavares.

                Waive Muzzin might work, but that's not great for your locker room, and your legitimate playoff experience is all in the top pair.


                The leafs don't want Strome, he plays like he's in a non-contact league. He's exactly the type of forward the leafs don't need, 11 hits last season that has to be close to least amount for a forward in the league.
                 
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