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Bobrovskys Broker

Créé par: HockeyScotty
Équipe: 2022-23 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Date de création initiale: 5 juill. 2022
Publié: 5 juill. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Florida is trying to move Bob's contract and have been unsuccessful so far (most likely their biggest option is within their division). With their cap situation they would pay some premium assets to do so.
Arizona needs to hit the cap floor and can find a better deal for Bobrovsky for additional future assets. With the current UFA goalie market being Campbell (approx $6 mil AAV), Kuemper ($5-6mil AAV), and Husso ($5 mil AAV); having Bobrovsky at $5 mil x 4 years) would put them in the market. Colorado, Toronto, Washington, Edmonton and others are in the market for a starting goalie.
Bob's remaining 4 years contract is $40 million against the cap; but only $34.5 million in actual salary; so this fits for Arizona's goals of hitting the cap floor but paying less in actual cash over the next 3-4 years.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2750 000 $
1750 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
43 652 000 $
31 064 200 $
21 000 000 $
21 000 000 $
2850 000 $
2850 000 $
21 000 000 $
32 164 700 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1825 000 $
1825 000 $
Transactions
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ARI
  1. Bobrovsky, Sergei
  2. Denisenko, Grigori
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
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ARI
  1. Sandin, Rasmus [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
TOR
  1. Bobrovsky, Sergei (5 000 000 $ retained)
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2382 500 000 $63 212 567 $0 $3 180 000 $19 287 433 $

Formation

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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG
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5 850 000 $5 850 000 $
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3 652 000 $3 652 000 $
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
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AG, AD
UFA - 1
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883 750 $883 750 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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883 750 $883 750 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
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UFA - 3
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750 000 $750 000 $
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UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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UFA - 2
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850 000 $850 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DG
UFA
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5 291 667 $5 291 667 $
C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Coyotes de l'Arizona
825 000 $825 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
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5 juill. 2022 à 16 h 11
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It will cost an arm and a leg to get Arizona to pay someone 17-20 million not to play for then.

They are playing in a college arena
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. . . and Toronto is the broke-ee.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
It will cost an arm and a leg to get Arizona to pay someone 17-20 million not to play for then.

They are playing in a college arena

Was going to say the same thing, possibly 23 1st and also lundell or something along those lines.
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no from toronto
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
It will cost an arm and a leg to get Arizona to pay someone 17-20 million not to play for then.

They are playing in a college arena


I understand that viewpoint; but:

1) They need to hit the cap floor.
2) They want contracts with lower actual salaries than AAV cap hit.
3) They would rather "tank" on the ice to make their draft capital better

So, whatever the assets Florida needs to move for them to take the contract; I think they can do it. They have 4 years before a new arena and 4 years until the Salary cap goes up substantially.
It's hard to gauge what those assets would look like, but you can see Arizona's gameplan is to basically build a minor league team on the ice and play for 2026.
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I understand that viewpoint; but:

1) They need to hit the cap floor.
2) They want contracts with lower actual salaries than AAV cap hit.
3) They would rather "tank" on the ice to make their draft capital better

So, whatever the assets Florida needs to move for them to take the contract; I think they can do it. They have 4 years before a new arena and 4 years until the Salary cap goes up substantially.
It's hard to gauge what those assets would look like, but you can see Arizona's gameplan is to basically build a minor league team on the ice and play for 2026.


I get the general thought you're doing here. Arizona could bring in an absolute HAUL by basically brokering the Bobrovsky contract. Now, he is a $40M hit on the Cap for the next 4 seasons, however his $6M bonus for 22-23 was paid July 1st, which means there is $28.5M of actual money still owed over the next 4 seasons. Here's my question - does anyone know if Arizona could absorb the $5M x 4 of cap hit and only pay $8.5M of actual cash, while the Leafs absorb the other $5M of cap hit, and the full $5M of actual cash? Or would they have to split it 50/50?
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It's bad when a goalies AAV eclipses Arizona Coyotes profit margins. Panthers would opt to buy him out. Maybe hon goes back to KHL?
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Quoting: Jim_Benning_Almost
I get the general thought you're doing here. Arizona could bring in an absolute HAUL by basically brokering the Bobrovsky contract. Now, he is a $40M hit on the Cap for the next 4 seasons, however his $6M bonus for 22-23 was paid July 1st, which means there is $28.5M of actual money still owed over the next 4 seasons. Here's my question - does anyone know if Arizona could absorb the $5M x 4 of cap hit and only pay $8.5M of actual cash, while the Leafs absorb the other $5M of cap hit, and the full $5M of actual cash? Or would they have to split it 50/50?


I didn't think about the timing of the bonus; which makes this even better for Arizona and easier to move him to a 3rd party.

As far as the retained salary issue, this is what CapFriendly shows: "The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player's salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit. The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified."

So, I took that to mean that 50% retention also means 50% of the actual salary and bonuses (as in you can't have 50% of the cap hit but only 25% of the salary and 0% for bonuses; ie it must be the same % across the board). So in this case it looks like Arizona would have to pay $14,250,000 over the remaining 4 years but would get $20,000,000 towards the cap.

The have 1 out of 3 maximum retained contracts, and this would still keep the total retained below the 15% limit.

The only contractual hurdle would be Bobrovsky's no-movement clause.
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It's bad when a goalies AAV eclipses Arizona Coyotes profit margins. Panthers would opt to buy him out. Maybe hon goes back to KHL?


A buyout is the worst case scenario for Florida. [url=]https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/sergei-bobrovsky[/url]

Best case: trading him without any salary retention. Frees up $10 million in cap space: Giroux and Marchment can stay and they add a UFA defense (or re-sign Chiarot for some reason); in addition to signing a veteran goalie to backup Knight (Holtby or Fleury) for around $2-3 million.

Next best case: trading him with salary retention; frees up anywhere between $1-5 million in cap space for next 4 years.
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I didn't think about the timing of the bonus; which makes this even better for Arizona and easier to move him to a 3rd party.

As far as the retained salary issue, this is what CapFriendly shows: "The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player's salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit. The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified."

So, I took that to mean that 50% retention also means 50% of the actual salary and bonuses (as in you can't have 50% of the cap hit but only 25% of the salary and 0% for bonuses; ie it must be the same % across the board). So in this case it looks like Arizona would have to pay $14,250,000 over the remaining 4 years but would get $20,000,000 towards the cap.

The have 1 out of 3 maximum retained contracts, and this would still keep the total retained below the 15% limit.

The only contractual hurdle would be Bobrovsky's no-movement clause.


Ah nice, good answer. This is an idea way for Arizona to collect a pretty significant haul for leveraging their Cap space, and their general lack of competitive potential for the next 2 - 3 years.
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Arizona brokering Bob is a non starter. Arizona can easily and more effectively sign guys to 1 year deals and pimp them out at their deadline instead of eating 30 million in real money. Then they trade for Weber’s deal in 23 and get 7.8 million in cap hit for 3 years and 3 total million.
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Arizona brokering Bob is a non starter. Arizona can easily and more effectively sign guys to 1 year deals and pimp them out at their deadline instead of eating 30 million in real money. Then they trade for Weber’s deal in 23 and get 7.8 million in cap hit for 3 years and 3 total million.


Any 1 year deals that they sign means that Arizona's actual cash vs Cap hit would be 1:1 ratio. Sure they should also consider doing this; but there has to be good players willing to sign with Arizona in the first place and perform well enough without getting hurt to have trade value at the deadline.

The Bobrovsky deal is 30% cash discount from the cap hit; that is a rare find since his contract was so large and had so much in bonuses already paid; not to mention at a position with upper-level scarcity in an the off-season.
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I understand that viewpoint; but:

1) They need to hit the cap floor.
2) They want contracts with lower actual salaries than AAV cap hit.
3) They would rather "tank" on the ice to make their draft capital better

So, whatever the assets Florida needs to move for them to take the contract; I think they can do it. They have 4 years before a new arena and 4 years until the Salary cap goes up substantially.
It's hard to gauge what those assets would look like, but you can see Arizona's gameplan is to basically build a minor league team on the ice and play for 2026.


They aren't doing this. Sorry, it's never gonna happen. No one has done this and no one will
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Any 1 year deals that they sign means that Arizona's actual cash vs Cap hit would be 1:1 ratio. Sure they should also consider doing this; but there has to be good players willing to sign with Arizona in the first place and perform well enough without getting hurt to have trade value at the deadline.

The Bobrovsky deal is 30% cash discount from the cap hit; that is a rare find since his contract was so large and had so much in bonuses already paid; not to mention at a position with upper-level scarcity in an the off-season.


Even after waiting for this signing bonus is paid, his deal pays out 28.5 million for 40 million in cap hit. The 29.5% savings is irrelevant its the real money of 29 million that matters. Arizona can broker a Lucic deal of 500k for 2.6 million in cap. They can take on Kerfoot and Johnsson for 7 million in cap hit for 800k in real cash. Plenty of other options than tying themselves down to paying 29 million empty dollars. The 1 to 1 dollars means very little if they can trade them away at the deadline and save 20% of the deal or 10% if they retain half.

Then again get Weber’s deal for 7.8 million at 1 million real,

Its a non starter.
 
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