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Créé par: Hammerwise
Équipe: 2022-23 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 1 juill. 2022
Publié: 1 juill. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Solid and deep defense, good froward corps

Sanheim and Compher expire after season = 6 mil to help resign Newhook, MacKinnon, Byram
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 125 000 $
3975 000 $
3975 000 $
44 275 000 $
3925 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
45 500 000 $
1975 000 $
44 575 000 $
45 575 000 $
1975 000 $
21 175 000 $
43 000 000 $
56 250 000 $
Transactions
1.
COL
  1. Attard, Ronnie
  2. Ratcliffe, Isaac [Droits de RFA]
  3. Sanheim, Travis (2 275 000 $ retained)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (PHI)
2.
COL
ARI
  1. Johnson, Erik
  2. Kaut, Martin
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (PHI)
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2022
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2023
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2024
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2382 500 000 $81 723 750 $25 000 $4 200 000 $776 250 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 7
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6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
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5 575 000 $5 575 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 8
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6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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4 275 000 $4 275 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
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908 333 $908 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 7
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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1 175 000 $1 175 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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975 000 $975 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
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975 000 $975 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
G
UFA - 5
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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4 575 000 $4 575 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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2 400 000 $2 400 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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883 750 $883 750 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 1
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987 500 $987 500 $
DG/DD, AG
UFA - 2

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1 juill. 2022 à 6 h 22
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Sakic isn't gonna trade Girard (5 year term at a good caphit) for a rental Sanheim.
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1 juill. 2022 à 6 h 34
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Quoting: Richard88
Sakic isn't gonna trade Girard (5 year term at a good caphit) for a rental Sanheim.


Sanheim rental, cap savings, good RD prospect in Attard, solid LW prospect and a high 3rd.

Byram can play top 4, Manson brings RD grit
Attard had great NHL audition, has ready now size and game, replaces Barron and Helleson losses.
Sanheim coming off best year provides excellent depth in 22-23. Top 4 is like 21-22 playoffs with Sanheim/Attard/Johnson/MacDermid 5-8th
Saves 2.8mil against cap for 22-23 and creates sapce for 23-24 re-signings.
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Ratcliffe, finally healthy, hulk with good hands, had good NHL audition
1 juill. 2022 à 6 h 35
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Kuemper, Nichcushkin and Kadri get far more money than what you're offering them.
1 juill. 2022 à 6 h 39
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Sanheim rental, cap savings, good RD prospect in Attard, solid LW prospect and a high 3rd.

Byram can play top 4, Manson brings RD grit
Attard had great NHL audition, has ready now size and game, replaces Barron and Helleson losses.
Sanheim coming off best year provides excellent depth in 22-23. Top 4 is like 21-22 playoffs with Sanheim/Attard/Johnson/MacDermid 5-8th
Saves 2.8mil against cap for 22-23 and creates sapce for 23-24 re-signings.
3rd in 65th OV
Ratcliffe, finally healthy, hulk with good hands, had good NHL audition


If Girard gets moved it'll be for a 2C with term. Not a sideways move that loses term and for a bunch of meh prospects.
1 juill. 2022 à 6 h 43
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Kuemper, Nichcushkin and Kadri get far more money than what you're offering them.


Maybe, maybe not, as a TB fan you know that players will take slightly less to stay with a successful team. Its also about term and overall earnings. Kuemper is getting 22mil for 4 yrs which takes him to 36, Kadri is making about 1-1.5 less than open market but its 5 yrs for over 25mil to age 37 and Nich has washed out of other places is getting huge raise, and all to stay on a top quality contender coming off a cup.

They make more on the open market, yes, but from who? The only teams with that cap space are not close to contending or making playoffs, and they will waste some of their prime yrs (and at Kuemper/Kadris case they're older) just trying to make playoffs with the teams that have cap
1 juill. 2022 à 6 h 54
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Maybe, maybe not, as a TB fan you know that players will take slightly less to stay with a successful team. Its also about term and overall earnings. Kuemper is getting 22mil for 4 yrs which takes him to 36, Kadri is making about 1-1.5 less than open market but its 5 yrs for over 25mil to age 37 and Nich has washed out of other places is getting huge raise, and all to stay on a top quality contender coming off a cup.

They make more on the open market, yes, but from who? The only teams with that cap space are not close to contending or making playoffs, and they will waste some of their prime yrs (and at Kuemper/Kadris case they're older) just trying to make playoffs with the teams that have cap


Nuke and Kuemper will get closer to $6,000,000 per and Kadri $7,500,000 per if not slightly more.
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1 juill. 2022 à 7 h 11
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Nuke and Kuemper will get closer to $6,000,000 per and Kadri $7,500,000 per if not slightly more.


As I said, from who do they take more and do those players take slightly less for a successful team, (and at their age do they want to go to a non playoff team that has the cap to make those offers). Its not just about successful team, its about players success, comfort, and age and term/length of offer.

But without signing Nick Paul and Keeping Newhook as 3C, thats 3mil that covers those amounts. Nich and Kuemper are just 500k short of your estimates and Kadri 1.25mil. SO without signing Paul, they sign those 3 at market value and have a bit more cap space (500k).

I do think that 2 of those 3 probably stay put for just a bit less, based on the success/status of the bidders.
1 juill. 2022 à 8 h 1
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Sakic isn't gonna trade Girard (5 year term at a good caphit) for a rental Sanheim.


Bad deal for Philly as well, Sanhiem and Girard are pretty much equal and Sanhiem probably gets a very similar deal.

Attard is like an A-/B+ prospect, could be top pair, probably will be a high end 2nd pair potential and he has progressed well recently

Already those two pieces are enough that the Avs should be adding, and was Girard can play right he is still a LHD so this doesn’t even help Philly
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1 juill. 2022 à 8 h 12
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Bad deal for Philly as well, Sanhiem and Girard are pretty much equal and Sanhiem probably gets a very similar deal.

Attard is like an A-/B+ prospect, could be top pair, probably will be a high end 2nd pair potential and he has progressed well recently

Already those two pieces are enough that the Avs should be adding, and was Girard can play right he is still a LHD so this doesn’t even help Philly


How is that bad for Philadelphia? Sanheim could walk in less than 12 months, so swapping him for 5 year cost controlled Girard is obviously a massive win. A B+ prospect does nothing for the Avs chances of winning a cup again soon.
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Bad deal for Philly as well, Sanhiem and Girard are pretty much equal and Sanhiem probably gets a very similar deal.

Attard is like an A-/B+ prospect, could be top pair, probably will be a high end 2nd pair potential and he has progressed well recently

Already those two pieces are enough that the Avs should be adding, and was Girard can play right he is still a LHD so this doesn’t even help Philly


PHI fans will see it differently from AVs fans, it really comes down to how they view Sanheim as short term replacement AND cap relief AND how they view Attard. As a PHI fan, you see upside of Attard based on his NHL audition. To me, I see creating a quality contender looking to repeat in the short term (where the cap space and Sanheim both help) while bringing in a possible key RD for the future to replace JJohnson and TDL losses of Barron and Helleson. Byram and Makar are quality top 4 pt producers, puck rushers, but Sanheim and Attard are no slouches in that dept. With Towes and Manson? Thats a stellar 6.

For PHI, I see a more stable and signed long term defense with provorov, girard, ellis, risto all in the fold for 3 or more yrs, with girard able to play both sides if York struggles or ellis's injury takes longer to heal. If you view him as just a LD on a team with provorov and york at LD, then he is slightly redundant. Sanheim is quality and a slightly better 2 way guy than the more talented offensive Girard.

Make no mistake if you see it as Sanheim for Girard alone, and dont value the cap space and prospects then its a moot point.
1 juill. 2022 à 8 h 14
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Quoting: Richard88
How is that bad for Philadelphia? Sanheim could walk in less than 12 months, so swapping him for 5 year cost controlled Girard is obviously a massive win. A B+ prospect does nothing for the Avs chances of winning a cup again soon.


If you dont value the cap space and the prospects/pick then it is a moot point and a lateral move at best for Avs.
1 juill. 2022 à 8 h 27
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If you dont value the cap space and the prospects/pick then it is a moot point and a lateral move at best for Avs.


I think keeping Girard for the year and then trading him next offseason yields more benefit to Colorado. It's not a bad trade per se, but I don't see it as Colorado's best option.
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1 juill. 2022 à 8 h 46
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How is that bad for Philadelphia? Sanheim could walk in less than 12 months, so swapping him for 5 year cost controlled Girard is obviously a massive win. A B+ prospect does nothing for the Avs chances of winning a cup again soon.


It’s a bad deal for Philly because Sanhiem isn’t expected to test the market and probably gets 5 years at 5-5.5 mill.

Giving up a top prospect plus for a lateral move is just useless. Just extend Sanhiem and call it a day
1 juill. 2022 à 8 h 54
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PHI fans will see it differently from AVs fans, it really comes down to how they view Sanheim as short term replacement AND cap relief AND how they view Attard. As a PHI fan, you see upside of Attard based on his NHL audition. To me, I see creating a quality contender looking to repeat in the short term (where the cap space and Sanheim both help) while bringing in a possible key RD for the future to replace JJohnson and TDL losses of Barron and Helleson. Byram and Makar are quality top 4 pt producers, puck rushers, but Sanheim and Attard are no slouches in that dept. With Towes and Manson? Thats a stellar 6.

For PHI, I see a more stable and signed long term defense with provorov, girard, ellis, risto all in the fold for 3 or more yrs, with girard able to play both sides if York struggles or ellis's injury takes longer to heal. If you view him as just a LD on a team with provorov and york at LD, then he is slightly redundant. Sanheim is quality and a slightly better 2 way guy than the more talented offensive Girard.

Make no mistake if you see it as Sanheim for Girard alone, and dont value the cap space and prospects then its a moot point.

I mean, unless Sanhiem opts not to stay in Philly and comes out publicly saying he wants to test the market, then Philly could just extend Sanhiem and call it a day
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I mean, unless Sanhiem opts not to stay in Philly and comes out publicly saying he wants to test the market, then Philly could just extend Sanhiem and call it a day


Most definitely not a bad option. I like the offensive ability of Girard and the fact he can switch to RD (which Sanheim hasn;t been as successful at). PHI has Provorov, York, and some other good prospects at LD, and while Ellis, Risto are RD, theres only Attard and possibly the choice of the 5th overall of Nemec or Jiricek.

I would assume York is ready for 2LD and say PHI doesn;t choose Nemec or Jiricek at 5th overall, then for PHI moving Sanheim makes more sense, and like you and COL posters have said its a lateral move, but I think with Girards puck carrying/production/RD ability, he gives PHI more options than Sanheim. Its not a move PHI has to make either with a defense of Provorov/Sanheim/York and Risto/Ellis/Attard as a starting 6, but IMO if PHI chooses a forward in the draft a defense of Provorov-Ellis, Girard-Risto, York-stay at home RD (Holl, Lyubushkin for 2 options) has better balance.

PHI shouldn;t overpay and COL shouldnt under accept, but as laid out above I think it provides a solid team for COL this yr and moving forward and gives PHI a stable long term defense.
1 juill. 2022 à 9 h 18
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This is now the 3rd Girard trade to PHI and it makes zero sense. 5 prime years for cost controlled top pairing capable puck moving minute eating dman net more than a d rental, an ok d prospect and an AHL dman. Literally trading him for picks, look at what a rental in Chiarot fetched and multiple that by a fair factor, would be better than this.

EJ is either retiring or playing COL isn’t shipping off 2 assets to team he 100% blocks a move to. He has a 10 team no trade list and the only team I 100% guarantee he blocks to 100% of the time is AZ.
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1 juill. 2022 à 9 h 23
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Quoting: Hammerwise
If you dont value the cap space and the prospects/pick then it is a moot point and a lateral move at best for Avs.


This spells it all out. Who in the NHL thinks Girard’s cap space is the most valuable thing in a trade for him? 5 years at $5M is a sweet sweet contract, and that’s on top of a puck moving dman that eats 20 minutes, produces 30pts with no PP1 time and he is theirs for the entire prime of his career. Sakic is a significantly better GM than this trade.
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