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Trying to clear cap and gain prospects

Créé par: Super_Randy
Date de création initiale: 30 juin 2022
Publié: 1 juill. 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
I gave myself some rules to follow for this ACGM.

1) Only ONE buyout allowed.
2)No big contracts over $7M handed out in the offseason.
3)Only one retention can be more then 1 year.
3) One of Petry/Savard must be traded
4) One of Anderson/Drouin must be traded
5)Try to offload one of Armia/Hoffman/Gallagher if possible
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Montembeault, Samuel1800 000 $
Primeau, Cayden1800 000 $
Schueneman, Corey1800 000 $
Pitlick, Rem21 500 000 $
Romanov, Alexander53 750 000 $
Ratcliffe, Isaac3900 000 $
Georgiev, Alexandar33 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Shane, Shane3925 000 $
David, David3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. 2022 2e round pick (PHI)
ARI
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. Clague, Kale [Droits de RFA]
  3. 2022 3e round pick (CAR)
  4. 2022 4e round pick (NYR)
2.
MTL
  1. Lundkvist, Nils
NYR
  1. Armia, Joel (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. 2022 3e round pick (ANA)
3.
MTL
  1. 2022 1e round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Farrell, Sean [Liste de réserve]
  2. 2022 2e round pick (PHI)
  3. 2022 1e round pick (CGY)
4.
MTL
  1. Ratcliffe, Isaac [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2022 1e round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. 2022 2e round pick (EDM)
  3. 2022 1e round pick (CBJ)
5.
MTL
  1. Khudobin, Anton
  2. Dellandrea, Ty
  3. Faksa, Radek
  4. 2022 1e round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Petry, Jeff
  2. 2023 3e round pick (MTL)
6.
MTL
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
  2. Hughes, Riley [Liste de réserve]
NYR
  1. Allen, Jake (1 437 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 833 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Joel Armia: 1 500 000 $ (44.12%)
  • Jake Allen: 1 437 000 $ (49.98%)
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2382 500 000 $79 256 165 $1 132 500 $2 657 500 $3 243 835 $
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Ratcliffe, Isaac
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Suzuki, Nick
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Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
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RFA - 1
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Pitlick, Rem
1 500 000 $
AG, C
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Wright, Shane
925 000 $
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Dellandrea, Ty
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
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Dadonov, Evgeni
5 000 000 $
AD, AG
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UFA - 1
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Faksa, Radek
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UFA - 3
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Gallagher, Brendan
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Evans, Jake
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Romanov, Alexander
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Georgiev, Alexandar
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Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Lundkvist, Nils
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Khudobin, Anton
3 333 333 $
G
UFA - 1
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Guhle, Kaiden
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 3
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Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Poehling, Ryan
750 000 $
C, AG
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Price, Carey
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Wideman, Chris
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Dvorak, Christian
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C, AG
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Montembeault, Samuel
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1 juill. à 12 h 15
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Because value wise it wouldn't be turned down by even the dumbest of GM's. They wouldn't pass on overpayment even if the fit is not there. I think you should look at what Viqsi said about going after wingers before you say again that the Jackets don't want wingers lol. At least get on the same page about what your needs are lol

You mean the part where I said Farrell is worthless to us? Because that still applies.

You are wrong. You have lost. The Jackets aren't trading down. Deal with it and move on.
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Alright, you keep on saying that despite the GM literally stating what the only situation that would interest him in moving the pick for would be. I guess you just know better.


If your GM is stupid enough to pass on a package of picks and prospects that recent history tells us is an overpayment for a single pick then he should be fired on the spot. Even if they don't need what is part of a package like this GM's simply do not pass on overvalued trades because they get assets they can turn into other assets quite easily and Farrell whether you like him or not still projects to be a top 6 winger and worth more than what his draft position suggests.
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Quoting: Viqsi
You mean the part where I said Farrell is worthless to us? Because that still applies.

You are wrong. You have lost. The Jackets aren't trading down. Deal with it and move on.


LMAO, lost what? Lost out on a deal I never proposed? Lost out on a pick that makes 0 sense for us to be trading for? I have not lost anything. You say Farrell is worthless to the Jackets but in reality he is only worthless to you. To the Jackets he would be considered at least another good trade asset and at best a future top 6 winger who can put up 50-80 points. I think you need to learn the difference between being worthless to a team and being worthless to biased fans.
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If your GM is stupid enough to pass on a package of picks and prospects that recent history tells us is an overpayment for a single pick then he should be fired on the spot. Even if they don't need what is part of a package like this GM's simply do not pass on overvalued trades because they get assets they can turn into other assets quite easily and Farrell whether you like him or not still projects to be a top 6 winger and worth more than what his draft position suggests.


Like I said, you know better than the GM. I'm sure he's dying to trade down out of the top 20 for more longshot players despite saying he's only interested in doing exactly the opposite if 6 or 12 are moved.
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LMAO, lost what? Lost out on a deal I never proposed? Lost out on a pick that makes 0 sense for us to be trading for? I have not lost anything. You say Farrell is worthless to the Jackets but in reality he is only worthless to you. To the Jackets he would be considered at least another good trade asset and at best a future top 6 winger who can put up 50-80 points. I think you need to learn the difference between being worthless to a team and being worthless to biased fans.

The Jackets have sixteen such wingers throughout the system, and that's not including the depth guys who we can be very sure won't have that kind of upside.

He. Is. Worthless. You are wrong. You are incapable of being anything other than wrong so long as you keep trying to push this point. Get over it already.



For the record:
Laine
Voracek
Nyquist
Bjorkstrand
Chinakhov
Johnson
Texier
Bemstrom
Marchenko
Pyyhtia
Foudy
Fix-Wolansky
Malatesta
Rysavy
Voronkov
Angle


EDIT: Here are all the wingers whom I did not include in that list but are nonetheless also vying for playing time on the NHL and AHL rosters and/or elsewhere in the system:
Gaunce
Olivier
Meyer
Danforth
Luoto
Gerbe
Sikura
Stenlund
Thurkauf
Quenneville

That's another 10. There's limits to how many contracts teams can sign players to and how many players one can have in reserve.
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Like I said, you know better than the GM. I'm sure he's dying to trade down out of the top 20 for more longshot players despite saying he's only interested in doing exactly the opposite if 6 or 12 are moved.


LMAO do you seriously think the GM would come out and say "wow you are giving up more value than what out pick is worth but no we won't take that cause it's not what we want" seriously use your head for a second and nor your heart!
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LMAO do you seriously think the GM would come out and say "wow you are giving up more value than what out pick is worth but no we won't take that cause it's not what we want"

Yes. It happens all the time. Because GMs are paid big money to build teams, not minmax asset returns.
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LMAO do you seriously think the GM would come out and say "wow you are giving up more value than what out pick is worth but no we won't take that cause it's not what we want" seriously use your head for a second and nor your heart!


Let's try a different approach. Would you trade Cole Sillinger for Carson Lambos, Shai Buium and Sean Farrell?

Would you trade Anton Lundell for Jake Neighbours, Sam Colangelo and Sean Farrell?

Would you trade Matthew Boldy for Jakob Pelletier, Pyotr Kochetkov and Sean Farrell?

I know my answers.
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Yes. It happens all the time. Because GMs are paid big money to build teams, not minmax asset returns.


Quoting: dk325
Let's try a different approach. Would you trade Cole Sillinger for Carson Lambos, Shai Buium and Sean Farrell? I know my answer.

Would you trade Anton Lundell for Jake Neighbours, Sam Colangelo and Sean Farrell?

Would you trade Matthew Boldy for Jakob Pelletier, Pyotr Kochetkov and Sean Farrell?


Would you two quit feeding the troll? He isn't even the OP. Just add him to your ignore lists and move on.
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Would you two quit feeding the troll? He isn't even the OP. Just add him to your ignore lists and move on.


Never. Stop trying to ruin my fun.
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Never. Stop trying to ruin my fun.


You know what? Fair enough. Enjoy! tears of joy
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Let's try a different approach. Would you trade Cole Sillinger for Carson Lambos, Shai Buium and Sean Farrell?

Would you trade Anton Lundell for Jake Neighbours, Sam Colangelo and Sean Farrell?

Would you trade Matthew Boldy for Jakob Pelletier, Pyotr Kochetkov and Sean Farrell?

I know my answers.


You are overvaluing the guys who are actually available at 12th. The guys who are available at 12th right now are guys like Lekkerimaki, Korchinski, Yurov, Kasper, Mintyukov and Howard all those guys project to be similar valued players to what Farrell already is. In fact in an average draft they would be in the 20+ range not the top 15. Also those players are at a minimum 2 years away from even being considered to play in the NHL Farrell could be ready as early as this coming season or the year after. I know you are hoping for a homerun trade for a Marner or Garland but you aren't likely getting that and on draft day if JK was offered 26th + 36th + Farrell for 12, knowing the player at 12th is likely going to top out a Farrell's level and that Farrell is closer to being an NHL player and we are adding picks on top of that. The deal would be done.
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Because value wise it wouldn't be turned down by even the dumbest of GM's. They wouldn't pass on overpayment even if the fit is not there. I think you should look at what Viqsi said about going after wingers before you say again that the Jackets don't want wingers lol. At least get on the same page about what your needs are lol


You would have 3 chances to get an impact player that fits the team needs by trading pick 12 for picks 26 and 36. Instead of 6 & 12 you would have 6, 26 & 36. Gives a chance to draft an extra C or extra RD and since most analysts say between picks 10-30 are interchangeable, I really don't see how first the VALUE is off and secondly, how the FIT is off.

To put this in perspective, Bobby Mac has Pavel Mintyukov (LD) going 12th, Lian Bichsel (LD) going 26th and Calle Odelius (LD) going 36th. There are no RD ranked between 6 - 25 and only 2 C prospects between 11 - 22. Trading back to 26 you still get a shot at Nathan Gauche (C) at rank 28, Sam Rinzel (RD) ranked 31 and Tristan Lunneau( RD) ranked 32 on top of adding pick 36 which gives the CBJ a shot at Owen Beck (C) rank 33, Jack Hughes (C) rank 35 and, Mattias Hävelid (RD) at rank 38.

So your moot point of " CBJ want quality over quantity" is invalid. It absolutely is quality considering the CBJ needs that you stated are Centers and RD. Literally still give you a shot at the best available RD while giving you an addition shot at either another RD or C (which btw would gives the team another shot to hit a home run and get a player who will be impactful in the NHL). It's a huge overpay by MTL and JK would be insane to turn it down. MTL only wants to do this anyway to get inside the top 10 to make a splash as the draft is held in MTL this year.
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You would have 3 chances to get an impact player that fits the team needs by trading pick 12 for picks 26 and 36. Instead of 6 & 12 you would have 6, 26 & 36. Gives a chance to draft an extra C or extra RD and since most analysts say between picks 10-30 are interchangeable, I really don't see how first the VALUE is off and secondly, how the FIT is off.

To put this in perspective, Bobby Mac has Pavel Mintyukov (LD) going 12th, Lian Bichsel (LD) going 26th and Calle Odelius (LD) going 36th. There are no RD ranked between 6 - 25 and only 2 C prospects between 11 - 22. Trading back to 26 you still get a shot at Nathan Gauche (C) at rank 28, Sam Rinzel (RD) ranked 31 and Tristan Lunneau( RD) ranked 32 on top of adding pick 36 which gives the CBJ a shot at Owen Beck (C) rank 33, Jack Hughes (C) rank 35 and, Mattias Hävelid (RD) at rank 38.

So your moot point of " CBJ want quality over quantity" is invalid. It absolutely is quality considering the CBJ needs that you stated are Centers and RD. Literally still give you a shot at the best available RD while giving you an addition shot at either another RD or C (which btw would gives the team another shot to hit a home run and get a player who will be impactful in the NHL). It's a huge overpay by MTL and JK would be insane to turn it down. MTL only wants to do this anyway to get inside the top 10 to make a splash as the draft is held in MTL this year.


I think you meant to quote the Jackets fans who said the last bit lol. I only think that there is not a fit just because Columbus is is win now mode or close to it and would want an NHL ready prospect or NHL player.
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I think you meant to quote the Jackets fans who said the last bit lol. I only think that there is not a fit just because Columbus is is win now mode or close to it and would want an NHL ready prospect or NHL player.


Yeah I was agreeing with you and meant to quote the CBJ fan lol. My bad. The one time I make what I believe to be overpays in all trades and tried to be non hab biased is the one time a massive argument breaks out lol. Guess I need to do more non biased thread hahahahahahaha
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You are overvaluing the guys who are actually available at 12th. The guys who are available at 12th right now are guys like Lekkerimaki, Korchinski, Yurov, Kasper, Mintyukov and Howard all those guys project to be similar valued players to what Farrell already is. In fact in an average draft they would be in the 20+ range not the top 15. Also those players are at a minimum 2 years away from even being considered to play in the NHL Farrell could be ready as early as this coming season or the year after. I know you are hoping for a homerun trade for a Marner or Garland but you aren't likely getting that and on draft day if JK was offered 26th + 36th + Farrell for 12, knowing the player at 12th is likely going to top out a Farrell's level and that Farrell is closer to being an NHL player and we are adding picks on top of that. The deal would be done.


Nah, he'd pass and use the pick because all of those guys project to be far better than the barely NHL level player Farrell is on course to be. He's tiny, doesn't have impressive numbers through his development cycle and plays an incredibly competitive position to break into the league as. The only time he has actually excelled in scoring the way a top 6 prospect would is when he was an overage player in a b-tier league. Those kinds of guys are a dime a dozen and Farrell will be just another kid who settles for a free college education and a couple NHL games before he ends up somewhere in Europe if he even bothers. Dr. Kekalainen will pick a diamond with #12 just like he did last year and he'll debut well before Farrell even gets a whiff of NHL hockey.

Also, don't put words in my mouth. I haven't said anything about wanting or hoping for them to trade either of their picks. Especially not for another winger that they don't need.
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You would have 3 chances to get an impact player that fits the team needs by trading pick 12 for picks 26 and 36. Instead of 6 & 12 you would have 6, 26 & 36. Gives a chance to draft an extra C or extra RD and since most analysts say between picks 10-30 are interchangeable, I really don't see how first the VALUE is off and secondly, how the FIT is off.

To put this in perspective, Bobby Mac has Pavel Mintyukov (LD) going 12th

...and he's on the draft lists of many Jackets fans simply because he's potentially that damn good. Bischel and Odelius barely get noticed as being in the draft at all. We would rather have to flip a Minyukov soon or a Gavrikov later than try to make something out of a bunch of late depth pieces that folks won't remember are there in a year or two.
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Yeah I was agreeing with you and meant to quote the CBJ fan lol. My bad. The one time I make what I believe to be overpays in all trades and tried to be non hab biased is the one time a massive argument breaks out lol. Guess I need to do more non biased thread hahahahahahaha

While the effort is appreciated, the core problem is that no amount of overpay is going to do if you're overpaying with assets that the other side just does not have a need for and you're asking for something the other side does have a need for. I imagine we could offer all our picks for Suzuki and the 1st overall and still be told no, for example.
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You would have 3 chances to get an impact player that fits the team needs by trading pick 12 for picks 26 and 36. Instead of 6 & 12 you would have 6, 26 & 36. Gives a chance to draft an extra C or extra RD and since most analysts say between picks 10-30 are interchangeable, I really don't see how first the VALUE is off and secondly, how the FIT is off.

To put this in perspective, Bobby Mac has Pavel Mintyukov (LD) going 12th, Lian Bichsel (LD) going 26th and Calle Odelius (LD) going 36th. There are no RD ranked between 6 - 25 and only 2 C prospects between 11 - 22. Trading back to 26 you still get a shot at Nathan Gauche (C) at rank 28, Sam Rinzel (RD) ranked 31 and Tristan Lunneau( RD) ranked 32 on top of adding pick 36 which gives the CBJ a shot at Owen Beck (C) rank 33, Jack Hughes (C) rank 35 and, Mattias Hävelid (RD) at rank 38.

So your moot point of " CBJ want quality over quantity" is invalid. It absolutely is quality considering the CBJ needs that you stated are Centers and RD. Literally still give you a shot at the best available RD while giving you an addition shot at either another RD or C (which btw would gives the team another shot to hit a home run and get a player who will be impactful in the NHL). It's a huge overpay by MTL and JK would be insane to turn it down. MTL only wants to do this anyway to get inside the top 10 to make a splash as the draft is held in MTL this year.


Cool, if it's an insane trade then Montreal will have no trouble getting into the top 10 with it and they won't have to deal with Dr. Kekalainen at all. Looking forward to that deal being announced.
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I think you meant to quote the Jackets fans who said the last bit lol. I only think that there is not a fit just because Columbus is is win now mode or close to it and would want an NHL ready prospect or NHL player.


Youngest team in the league and they're in win now mode. Sure.
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...and he's on the draft lists of many Jackets fans simply because he's potentially that damn good. Bischel and Odelius barely get noticed as being in the draft at all. We would rather have to flip a Minyukov soon or a Gavrikov later than try to make something out of a bunch of late depth pieces that folks won't remember are there in a year or two.


My argument is that someone said CBJ is interested in C and RD. So my point was if that is the case, trading back does not hurt the chances of getting RD and/or center. It actually improves the chances. And to say the other two "barely get noticed"....okay and your point is ? Gallagher was a 5th round pick, Sebastian Aho was a 2nd round pick, Nikita Kucherov a 2nd round pick, Patrice Bergeron was a 2nd round pick......I can keep going. I think you both are what some fans called "Horseblinded" by your own team. Nail Yakupov was a 1st overall pick and at the time had high praise and "oozed potential"........he plays 3rd line minutes in the KHL now.........
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My argument is that someone said CBJ is interested in C and RD. So my point was if that is the case, trading back does not hurt the chances of getting RD and/or center. It actually improves the chances. And to say the other two "barely get noticed"....okay and your point is ? Gallagher was a 5th round pick, Sebastian Aho was a 2nd round pick, Nikita Kucherov a 2nd round pick, Patrice Bergeron was a 2nd round pick......I can keep going. I think you both are what some fans called "Horseblinded" by your own team. Nail Yakupov was a 1st overall pick and at the time had high praise and "oozed potential"........he plays 3rd line minutes in the KHL now.........


There is some serious projecting going on here with all these accusations of being blinded by one's favourite team being thrown about. Habs fan proposals have been out to lunch this whole off season.
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Nah, he'd pass and use the pick because all of those guys project to be far better than the barely NHL level player Farrell is on course to be. He's tiny, doesn't have impressive numbers through his development cycle and plays an incredibly competitive position to break into the league as. The only time he has actually excelled in scoring the way a top 6 prospect would is when he was an overage player in a b-tier league. Those kinds of guys are a dime a dozen and Farrell will be just another kid who settles for a free college education and a couple NHL games before he ends up somewhere in Europe if he even bothers. Dr. Kekalainen will pick a diamond with #12 just like he did last year and he'll debut well before Farrell even gets a whiff of NHL hockey.

Also, don't put words in my mouth. I haven't said anything about wanting or hoping for them to trade either of their picks. Especially not for another winger that they don't need.


I think you should actually look up what Farrell has done over his career thus far. He was a ppg player as a freshman this past season for Harvard not as an overager but as one of the youngest guys in the league. You know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of what everyone was saying about Caufield, he is too small, he was only successful because of Hughes, he won't ever make the NHL. It's always the same thing, yet every time the nay sayers are proven wrong, that size isn't actually all that important just like the path players take to the NHL.
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There is some serious projecting going on here with all these accusations of being blinded by one's favourite team being thrown about. Habs fan proposals have been out to lunch this whole off season.


Oh I probably am one of those "out to lunch" fans as well. But at least most of my posts are supposed to be satire and pot-stirring. This one was legitimately serious
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Youngest team in the league and they're in win now mode. Sure.


Do you actually believe what you are shoveling or do you just like to misrepresent facts to supportyour narrative? There are at least 3 younger teams in the league Arizona, Jersey and Detroit and 2 of the three are transitioning to their cup windows so why is it such a stretch for one to assume the Jackets are too?
 
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