Dubois real value check desc

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Not a bad analogy at all tbh, valid points. Think Fiala definitely returned a lot less than expected though but if that’s the market than I’d assume a Dubois trade is pretty close to that scale as you said.

29 juin 2022 à 21 h 56

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Quoting: mikeg93

Based on the fact he's an RFA and under control for a couple more seasons, it's probably Kakko that Winnipeg would want.

Quoting: mikeg93

Based on the fact he's an RFA and under control for a couple more seasons, it's probably Kakko that Winnipeg would want.

Well yeah they definitely want him, but I really doubt they get him considering that Fiala was also an RFA

29 juin 2022 à 21 h 56

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Quoting: Pensman69

Minnesota also couldn’t afford to keep fiala and there had been trade rumours swirling for a while. Winnipeg isn’t forced to trade PLD. They can give the guy a 1 year deal and get value similar to the fiala deal come next year if that’s what it comes to. I think that GMs are decently smart and can recognize situations other teams are in. Plus we don’t even know what Dubois really wants, only the GMs do. Does he want out of Winnipeg? Does he actually want to test FA? Would he be open to a long term deal in a big market? These are all ?’s. PLD is also younger than fiala and plays the more coveted position.

The major difference between the two is what I stated above, Minnesota was FORCED to move fiala. Winnipeg is not in a position where they are FORCED to move Dubois.

Also it’s just as annoying to see trades like this a jets fan. So, keep that in mind next time you complain.

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29 juin 2022 à 21 h 58

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It's kinda of silly post when you don't include the Rangers to fill out the roster and PLD new salary. Crazy to think the Rangers can afford an overpaid 2nd line centre .
One big difference the Kings had cap.....the Rangers don't.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 0

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Winnipeg does not need to trade PLD like Minnesota had to trade Fiala. Worst case scenario is they bridge him until he's out of RFA term. Centers are also more valuable than wingers.

I think a better analogy is Sam Reinhart.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 1

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Quoting: palhal

I couldn't agree more, but it seems like Chris Drury disagrees. He's what started this entire trend.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 2

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Quoting: tsyls

Minnesota also couldn’t afford to keep fiala and there had been trade rumours swirling for a while. Winnipeg isn’t forced to trade PLD. They can give the guy a 1 year deal and get value similar to the fiala deal come next year if that’s what it comes to. I think that GMs are decently smart and can recognize situations other teams are in. Plus we don’t even know what Dubois really wants, only the GMs do. Does he want out of Winnipeg? Does he actually want to test FA? Would he be open to a long term deal in a big market? These are all ?’s.

The major difference between the two is what I stated above, Minnesota was FORCED to move fiala. Winnipeg is not in a position where they are FORCED to move Dubois.

Agreed, though I’m not real sure why on PLD’s standpoint, why he would want out of Winnipeg? I mean you get traded and are coming off basically a career year and you want out? Doesn’t make sense. Unless Winnipeg doesn’t wanna sign him to the number he’s asking then that’s a different story. But if he solely just wants out that’s pathetic. He’s started to fit nicely in that Jets lineup.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 2

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Well the offer does deserve to be bashed when you try to compare Fiala's situation to Dubois.

We all agree Dubois as a center is more valuable, plus Winnipeg isn't being forced to move him now for cap or any other reason. While Minnesota was forced to move Fiala now due to cap mismanagement.

Next time you want to rationalize a lowball offer at least pick another trade that has something in common with the trade you are trying to justify.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 4

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Jets were also able to get Baron, a first and a 2nd for a rental in Copp so....

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 4

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Quoting: Windjammer

Next time you want to rationalize a lowball offer at least pick another trade that has something in common with the trade you are trying to justify.

Reinhart.

29 juin 2022 à 22 h 4

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Quoting: Pensman69

I know it’s super odd. He’s playing with an elite talent in Kyle Connor. He’s likely going to be the guy at C going forward as the scheifele situation remains a question. Unless the locker room issues in Winnipeg are too much. But it seems like they are addressing that by looking to move wheeler. I don’t think Winnipeg is overly scared to pay the man. Unless he’s asking for something like 8.5+ million. I’d imagine Winnipeg would even consider 8x8.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 4

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Quoting: bnormie46

Jets were also able to get Baron, a first and a 2nd for a rental in Copp so....

Conditional first. Lundkvist and Faber are also far better prospects than Barron.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 5

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Quoting: bnormie46

Jets were also able to get Baron, a first and a 2nd for a rental in Copp so....

Who by the looks of it isn’t returning as the rangers attempt to target PLD…

29 juin 2022 à 22 h 5

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Quoting: Masonh618

Reinhart.

Another player that asked for a trade? Doesn't seem comparable.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 6

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Quoting: Windjammer

He stated “if Dubois wants out” which in that sense would lower his value making the comparable to the Fiala deal.

29 juin 2022 à 22 h 7

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Quoting: Windjammer

Another player that asked for a trade? Doesn't seem comparable.

well that's uh, news to me.
not to mention Google isn't even helping me find his "trade request"

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 10

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I dont think your assessment of fiala being better is an undisputable fact. I could see teams thinking dubois is more valuable because he is younger, plays a more valuable position as a center, and is a better defensive and harder to play against player. Goals and points are not the only thing that matters

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 11

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Quoting: tsyls

100%. Connor is incredible on that wing and has put the league on notice and isn’t talked about nearly enough as he should be. I mean I guess it could be more in part of the actual town of Winnipeg and the status of the team along with as you said the locker room shenanigans, rather than the talent around him and the coaching issues like he had in Columbus with all that Torts bogus. In the end I think the 2 sides will come to an agreement I just can’t understand why you would trade for that solidified guy at 1/2C and then willingly be okay with shipping him out with value being brought down due to him wanting out. And on his end you basically almost top your career high and then want to assess the market? Silly.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 11

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Quoting: Pensman69

He stated “if Dubois wants out” which in that sense would lower his value making the comparable to the Fiala deal.

Actually he didn't say that he said "Dubois doesn't want to stay in Winnipeg" which is an assumption on his part to rationalize the lowball offer as there is no credible report saying that. All he said is that he wants to get to UFA in 2 years, he has not said he wants out of Winnipeg.

Which could mean he's more than happy staying as long as the Jets are the highest bidder.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 12

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Quoting: Pensman69

I know it’s so odd. I really hope they just come to an agreement long term. Just pay the guy and make him happy.

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29 juin 2022 à 22 h 18

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Quoting: mikeg93

Based on the fact he's an RFA and under control for a couple more seasons, it's probably Kakko that Winnipeg would want.

Kakko, isn't he just Pavel Brendl V.2

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29 juin 2022 à 23 h 54

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