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Jarry Holl

Créé par: Richard88
Équipe: 2022-23 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 29 juin 2022
Publié: 29 juin 2022
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    Not sure on value, Pittsburgh fans please comment...

    The deal could include futures, a roster player like Compher, and/or UFA rights for Kadri/Kuemper/Manson (I've seen Pitt AGM's with Kadri and Manson signings).
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    1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (COL)
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    Some TML fans on hfboards have said they'd trade him for a 5th as they need capspace.
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    29 juin 2022 à 9 h 54
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    A 2 million dollar defenceman who can play 20 minutes a night isn't a cap dump and certainly has more value than a 5th
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    29 juin 2022 à 9 h 54
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    jarry probably going to cost as much as kuemper. 1st + prospect + 3rd.
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    29 juin 2022 à 9 h 57
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    A 2 million dollar defenceman who can play 20 minutes a night isn't a cap dump and certainly has more value than a 5th


    Holl will probably get traded for a 3rd to a 5th. At the moment, he would likely cost a 3rd since the main reason to trade him is to allow for Sandin to have a playing spot and save 1m basically by getting a 1m or less 7th D. That's assuming Sandin sticks around though, he might get traded since he's not that great on the right side, and atm one of the LD will have to play their offside. If Girard can play on RD adequately perhaps Sandin could be a fit, not sure what Tor would want from Col though.
    29 juin 2022 à 9 h 58
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    why the hell would PIT get rid of Jarry
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    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 0
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    I personally would like to see a first, quality prospect, bottom 6 or 4d roster player, and a mid round pick if we were to trade Jarry in the wild fantasy world that we would.
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 2
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    jarry probably going to cost as much as kuemper. 1st + prospect + 3rd.


    UFA rights don't have much value if it's just for teams to talk to them if the 8th year isn't much of a factor, even then a 3rd is considered expensive.
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 3
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    Quoting: Ichbinian
    why the hell would PIT get rid of Jarry


    Quoting: Pensman69
    if we were to trade Jarry in the wild fantasy world that we would.


    Perhaps they bring in Fleury and Gibson.
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 5
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    Quoting: GMBL
    Perhaps they bring in Fleury and Gibson.


    Fleury would come in as backup and why would we overpay and throw assets away at Gibson when we have our young franchise goalie in Jarry? Would make no sense, we wouldn’t bring in both.
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 13
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    It's gonna cost you quite a bit to get a young, two time all star goalie. Think newhook or byram.
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 14
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    could see jarrys value like kuempers tbh. a first, a third, and prospect
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 15
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    Quoting: pensburgh571
    It's gonna cost you quite a bit to get a young, two time all star goalie. Think newhook or byram.


    dont think sakic will give them up. plus they probably have more value than jarry
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 17
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    Quoting: loganocota
    dont think sakic will give them up. plus they probably have more value than jarry


    Maybe jarry and kapanen for newhook?
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 18
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    Quoting: Pensman69
    Fleury would come in as backup and why would we overpay and throw assets away at Gibson when we have our young franchise goalie in Jarry? Would make no sense, we wouldn’t bring in both.


    It's been speculated that Fleury wants to return to Pitt to retire, so he might. Most teams are doing tandems. As for Gibson, if Verbeek isn't asking too much it might happen, or if Hextall feels like the price an a potential overpay is justifiable (whether it is or not, can't pretend that GMs don't make bad trades).

    As for moving Jarry, perhaps contract negotiations or they decide that he's just not the guy.

    Personally, I don't think he's proven to be more of a franchise goalie than Fleury or Murray and I know they were moved because they struggled and they ultimately decided to go with the younger goalie (Murray over Fleury, Jarry over Murray). Jarry has had his fair share of playoff woes, although he hasn't played much due to injury, which could factor into why they move him based on his next contract expectation, not to mention that his potential return could be very high (maybe even compared to the ask on Gibson).

    I'm not saying Jarry should be moved, just saying why they might consider moving him.
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    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 19
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    Quoting: Ichbinian
    why the hell would PIT get rid of Jarry

    If Malkin walk perhaps they embrace a rebuild. Jarry is one year from UFA.

    Quoting: Pensman69
    I personally would like to see a first, quality prospect, bottom 6 or 4d roster player, and a mid round pick if we were to trade Jarry in the wild fantasy world that we would.

    Thanks for commenting. I didn't realise his value would be that high, given that he's a year from UFA and hasn't really done well in the playoffs.

    Quoting: Pensman69
    Fleury would come in as backup and why would we overpay and throw assets away at Gibson when we have our young franchise goalie in Jarry? Would make no sense, we wouldn’t bring in both.

    Are Pittsburgh confident that they can be competitive this season (without Malkin maybe), and also re-sign Jarry next year?

    Quoting: pensburgh571
    It's gonna cost you quite a bit to get a young, two time all star goalie. Think newhook or byram.


    Thanks. I think I'd pass. If Jarry came with an extension maybe it would be worth considering Newhook, but not for one year.
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    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 21
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    Quoting: GMBL
    It's been speculated that Fleury wants to return to Pitt to retire, so he might. Most teams are doing tandems. As for Gibson, if Verbeek isn't asking too much it might happen, or if Hextall feels like the price an a potential overpay is justifiable (whether it is or not, can't pretend that GMs don't make bad trades).

    As for moving Jarry, perhaps contract negotiations or they decide that he's just not the guy.

    Personally, I don't think he's proven to be more of a franchise goalie than Fleury or Murray and I know they were moved because they struggled and they ultimately decided to go with the younger goalie (Murray over Fleury, Jarry over Murray). Jarry has had his fair share of playoff woes, although he hasn't played much due to injury, which could factor into why they move him based on his next contract expectation, not to mention that his potential return could be very high (maybe even compared to the ask on Gibson).


    Fair points, I love what he’s done in net that playoffs series can slide and I think majority of competent penguins fans will agree with me on that one. First playoffs, Covid year, etc etc but yea the only way I could see us trading him is if he asks for too much or Hextall just simply doesn’t believe he has what it takes to be part of a team that goes all the way. Chances are slim that he’s moved and will probably remain that way as it stands.
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    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 22
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    Quoting: pensburgh571
    Maybe jarry and kapanen for newhook?


    Neat idea, but I think Avs pass since Jarry only has one year to UFA. Have there been any extension talks yet?
    29 juin 2022 à 10 h 34
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Neat idea, but I think Avs pass since Jarry only has one year to UFA. Have there been any extension talks yet?


    I think the media has been so focused on malkin and letang that there hasn't been much info reported on a potential jarry extension
    29 juin 2022 à 11 h 28
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    Quoting: pensburgh571
    It's gonna cost you quite a bit to get a young, two time all star goalie. Think newhook or byram.


    There isn’t a planet that exists that that happens. All star game doesn’t mean a thing, and when did 27 and a pending UFA become young?
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    29 juin 2022 à 11 h 54
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    Quoting: GMBL
    UFA rights don't have much value if it's just for teams to talk to them if the 8th year isn't much of a factor, even then a 3rd is considered expensive.


    he's not a ufa. still under contract for this season.
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    Quoting: pensburgh571
    It's gonna cost you quite a bit to get a young, two time all star goalie. Think newhook or byram.


    goalies don't have that type of value, especially on expiring contracts. 1st, 2nd/3rd, good prospect is more likely.
    29 juin 2022 à 12 h 33
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    he's not a ufa. still under contract for this season.


    Either I meant to say in addition or accidentally clicked reply to your message or some other gaffe.

    I was referring to the ufas mentioned in the trade description:

    "The deal could include futures, a roster player like Compher, and/or UFA rights for Kadri/Kuemper/Manson (I've seen Pitt AGM's with Kadri and Manson signings). "
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    29 juin 2022 à 12 h 39
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    There isn’t a planet that exists that that happens. All star game doesn’t mean a thing, and when did 27 and a pending UFA become young?


    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    goalies don't have that type of value, especially on expiring contracts. 1st, 2nd/3rd, good prospect is more likely.


    I didn't say I'd make the trade from the avs perspective. But that's what it will cost. Pens are trying to stay competitive while sid is still around. So they aren't trading their 27 year old, middle of his prime, 2 time all star goalie who is on a cheap contract for future assets. They definitely aren't trading him for bottom six players or expiring contracts either. That's just flat out silly.
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    Quoting: pensburgh571
    I didn't say I'd make the trade from the avs perspective. But that's what it will cost. Pens are trying to stay competitive while sid is still around. So they aren't trading their 27 year old, middle of his prime, 2 time all star goalie who is on a cheap contract for future assets. They definitely aren't trading him for bottom six players or expiring contracts either. That's just flat out silly.


    doesn't sound like they are trying to stay that competitive by letting malkin and letang walk.

    it's a fair trade based on the market. newhook and especially byram is delusional.
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    29 juin 2022 à 12 h 51
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    doesn't sound like they are trying to stay that competitive by letting malkin and letang walk.

    it's a fair trade based on the market. newhook and especially byram is delusional.


    Yup just like thinking you can get jarry for futures and expiring contracts is delusional.
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    Quoting: pensburgh571
    Yup just like thinking you can get jarry for futures and expiring contracts is delusional.


    that stuff happens pretty regularly.
     
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