Hard pass by Philly

Quite the opposite, Blues never make that offer

25 goal scorer with draft picks for a 2nd Pairing defenseman. lol ok then.

Guy blossoming into one of the best 2-way D in the league, has proven himself to be a top pair D, and whose young and expected to sign a very affordable deal for a player whose had one productive season plus a 2nd and 4th

I’ve seen a handful of deals with Sanhiem and the IB on here… usually there’s a first and a either a prospect of a useful depth player… or they offer up Scotty P and a first and a mid round pick for him.

Not to mention you’re actually asking for salary retention as well.

well I personally wouldn't put retention apart of the deal. and no he's a 3-4D you give him way too much credit you would not get an A Potential Prospect and a First round pick in one of the 2 deepest drafts because for Claude Giroux retained at 50% with Bunnaman and Rubtsov and a 5th you got a 3rd 1st and Tippett. You got Ellis for Myers probably a lower ranked defenseman and Nolan Patrick who's basically middle 6 forward. Jeremy Lauzon got a 2nd round pick and Giordano with 50% retained and Blackwell got 2 2nds and a 3rd I think you forget what the market is actually set at. His defense stepped up a bit, but it's 1 year just as Barbashev is 1 year of production so sanheim's defense. We don't know if that is gonna be normal or not. His offense sure I'll give you that he's done very solid on offense for the past 3 seasons. But that's kind of the price range. Barbashev is a top 6 forward same age as Sanheim and moving up with a career year and is sure to be a fire sign to be great again next season. So no the difference between the 2 is not an A prospect like Perunovich, and a 1st round pick that's ridiculous and you far overrate Sanheim which I can't blame you because you are a flyers fan so.

Ummm Giroux wasn’t retained if I’m not mistaken

We gave Florida a pick to take contracts so we could sign players

Giroux held all the cards in that deal btw



You’re definitely under valuing Sanhiem, there a reason he was plus 9 playing with Risto who was minus 9. Sanhiem is a beast

The Eliis trade was an injury prone good D for a D with solid potential who just sucked last year and an injury prone bust… both teams lost that deal lol, heck, all three teams lost in that trade

Also, maybe what I wrote came out wrong. There were Scotty P and a first offers on here from blues fans, those did not include Barb… Barb offers usually included a first and a prospect or a depth player (Scandella for instance who i see no value in but I understand he’s probably worth a mid pick, just a personal thing lol) but the prospect would usually be like a B/B- type

he was retained 50% yes Giroux was. +/- means absolutely nothing lol. Quite literally nothing it's the most useless stat it could be Sanheim just made a bad change and left RIsto to get roasted Sanheim gets off the ice Risto's still on they get scored on in transition. That could ultimately be the situation if you understand what I mean.

Ok now I'm understanding what you are meaning there Scandella is definitely a negative value cap dump. So you aren't wrong. No one would ever pay a mid pick for him. B/B- player would be fine I guess I just wasn't expecting A Prospect and 1st Round pick, but Barbashev has more value than most give him credit for because he at least very consistently was a great PK player, also did solid as a defensive forward, and a checking line. They just recently moved him up to a Middle 6 role and boom 26 goals. So I sort of understand why you would think that, but I also don't feel that's a fair shake to Barbashev either.

That’s odd, I really couldn’t find any info on the retention but expected it since FLA was close to the cap

Yeah, Scandella is meh… I’d be okay with him as a 7th D for 900k max but you’re the first blues fan whose agreed with me on that lol. Then again I try to sell JVR as positive value, but if he is retained but really I wouldn’t pay for him unless his hit was retained twice

I know +\- means little, but his actual defensive play has been outstanding. I know it’s not the same, but I’ve always loved Eric Brewer and I think this is the closest thing Philly has had to him in a long time, just needs the physical play but he makes up for it with better O

From a flyers perspective I would rather extend Sanhiem and move Provorov with about 1-2 mill retained and get a nicer package than give up on Sanhiem, so I do value him a bit high i guess… I also think it would be kinda dumb for the Blues to do Scotty and a first since the kids talent looks high, but Ivan package probably works better for both teams

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/568611

and yeah I think it would be a good package. I also understand where you are coming from I don't personally like pro either.