Last thing Buffalo needs is a winger. Could be something in the idea, but not this

Pius Suter is a Center.

It looks like its 50/50ish and depth center is also not a need lol unless Mittelstadt and/or Olofsson is moved. RD and Goalie are the biggest needs

if you're trading up to take Cutter go ahead

I mean you’re moving down a handful of spots in the draft and gaining a couple picks and a guy that can play virtually anywhere in the top 9 on an expiring deal for a value price. You can’t lose in the deal.

Thank you, sir. Who do you like in the draft for either of your picks ?

Suter isn’t useless by any means, but I’m not sure Buffalo is targeting him, which would be the only reason they part with any of their 1st rounders. Not to mention he’s probably a rental, and that’s not a piece you pay a 1st rounder for even if you’re getting an early ish 2nd too.

There's a fair chance that if Cutter Gauthier is there at #6 that Kekalainen opts to take him rather than trade down. Personally I'm undecided.

Idk if you’re just not understanding what’s happening here or maybe it’s something else…. The Red Wings, in my scenario, have identified a player they like during the draft and decide they want to move up 11 spots to accomplish that. It’s literally 11 spots. It’s not “trading a 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick”. It’s trading the 29th pick for the 40th pick and getting some extra stuff for doing so. Buffalo isn’t the team that made the call, Detroit is. Buffalo isn’t paying a 1st round pick for Pius Suter. Pius Suter along with the other pick is the cost for Detroit to move up 11 spots in the draft to take a player they like. Are we on the same page here?

With the newly enriched Center prospect pool the Jackets have, I think CBJ would be thrilled if either of the top two D Men are there and in my scenario neither of them do and Cutter is there. I think they would be inclined to target the 3rd best Defenseman in the draft and they’re able to gain assets in doing so since they can get him at #8 still.

Well, odds are you’re not gonna fill either of those needs immediately with the 29th or the 40th pick, and there also isn’t much of a gap, if any at all in terms of talent between those picks. This is simply a scenario where one team pays a significant price to move up, to a team that is willing to drop down. That is all.

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't accept trade. That being said Suter was Detroit's #2C all season long.

I think we all agree, it is a close call either way.
The Sabres have at least three centers nearly equivalent to Pius, Cozens, Girgensons and Mittelstadt.
All earn less than Pius.
With that in mind, I think Buffalo would more likely trade 3 assets for one good player, than one asset for three.
So let's agree, the value is there, just not for Buffalo.
Unless they thought the next player on their list would be available in the second round,

That is in no way an overpay for Necas. Zadina is at the point where he is a bust. The second is magic beans. And the Canes have more competent LD prospects than McIsaac. In what way is that an overpay. An overpay that would make the Canes consider would be Raymond, but we all know that won’t happen. Outside of that, there really isn’t anyone else that would make sense for the Canes to target if they trade Necas.

The only lock to play center at the moment is Sillinger out of the young guys. Gauthier would help bolster that part of their future or potentially LW quite nicely. If Jiricek and Nemec are gone he's surely on their list.

I don't mind CBJ picking at 6, but I'm not a huge Gauthier fan either. That being said, I haven't seen enough to trust Larsen and his development yet. I'm still worried he's going to vanilla-ize players (focusing on what their bad at and forcing them to play a certain style) like Torts did. In which case go ahead and pick Gauthier.

If he's going to build and intelligent system and work with player strengths (crucial for Laine and Johnson, Jarmo should pick for ceiling. Imo that's Nazar considering we have a lot of shooter first tools players already. If we are trading or losing Bemstrom or Chinakov then I guess Kemell or something works. Trading back to 6 to get some more assets sounds delightful. I don't mind a Mateychuk either.

I'd also be down to trade up to get Cooley, I wonder if Arizona would want more assets for the 3.

No need for the caps to move hathaway. Would have to be a massive overpayment, and this isn't it

Suter doesnt fit in the Sabres top 9 without jamming him in there, thats the problem. Right now theres no spot for him so whats the incentive to move out of the 1st round

And Detroit was not good lol. Rn now he doesnt beat out Thompson and Cozens, then theres already a traffic jam with Mitts and Krebs and maybe Ruotsalainen at 3C and Quinn and Peterka are coming up taking wing spots away. Hes to much of a redundancy to move out of the 1st round in a spot where there will be good RD available

Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying. I don't care about the trade since there is no chance it happens. Now you referred to Suter as a winger when he has only played center in Detroit and played mostly center in Chicago as well.

We covered that in the 1st 2 comments, so yeah i didnt understand thats what you were getting at.

Why is that an overpayment from Wings on Necas? None of those pieces do much for the Canes - Zadina still has potential but is closing in on bust territory, McIsaac seems like a nice prospect but nothing crazy there and a 2nd. I'd just keep Necas if this is the best they could get for him.

Having better prospects than McIsaac automatically means he has no value?

Second round picks are worthless now?

And we’re chalking Zadina up as a sure fire bust now, got it.

My man, just say you want more for Necas; no need to devalue valuable pieces in a deal to make your point cuz then you just sound illogical.

The fact you bring up Raymond as an example of overpayment is even worse. That wouldn’t be an overpayment, that would be the event that triggers an apocalypse. You ever seen the movie, “This Is The End”? That’s what would happen.

I figured I probably was light on the return for him, but I love the player. I’d def be willing to give up more than that for him.

McIsaac would probably be a top 3/5 defense prospect on any team in the NHL. He’s more than nice. We just happen to have an abundance of defense prospects in the pipeline.

Zadina has underwhelmed, sure; but he’s not quite a bust just yet. There are dozens of players in his boat that the jury is still out on and one could even argue that Necas himself, is in that boat. Maybe he’s got a ocean view room with a balcony in that boat, but he’s still in the boat.

Second round picks aren’t peanuts.

If Zadina & McIsaac have a value of a 2nd round pick (which they do); getting the equivalent of three (3) second round picks for Necas is arguably neither an underpayment or an overpayment. To me it seems pretty damn solid.

I can understand people overvaluing their players; There are people on this site that scoff at 1st round picks for Zadina and still have extremely high hopes for him, which I can appreciate but I don’t view his value as that high.

Kaapo Kakko is another player on that boat. What’s the value for him? Is it more than Zadina but less than Necas? Is Necas worth more than both? Personally I think none of these 3 guys are worth trading a 1st round pick for, straight up.