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Necas Girard

Créé par: vikhodush
Date de création initiale: 21 juin 2022
Publié: 21 juin 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Explications
Not sure how I feel about this and probably not realistic but wanted to try something new with assumption that Lebrun isn’t blowing smoke (which I think he is).

Necas rumor makes sense if it’s a true top 4 young D with team control coming back - Girard and Chych fit the bill for me. Not sure how close this deal is so feel free to add what’s needed to balance it. My thought is Avs are making run without Girard and have a lot of decisions to make this summer. Necas bridge would be great for them and he’d likely thrive and bounce back with the skill he’d get to play with. Also saves them some money so can maybe keep a guy they would’ve otherwise lost?

If this were to happen it likely also means tda negotiations aren’t where they want to be so they’d move on from him. Not sure if that value is great but was trying to find potential fits more than get value perfect. Dallas makes sense and pens might too if letang doesn’t come back (I saw they’re in ballpark with him but who knows).

If Canes trade Necas for a D they’d need to address top 6 scoring in UFA. Guys like Forsberg would be fun but doubt Canes want to go 7x9 for him. Thought Burra provides that natural elite goal scoring talent they’re looking for so went with him over a guy like Nuke.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Necas, Martin23 250 000 $
Keane, Joey2825 000 $
Lafontaine, Jack2825 000 $
Reunanen, Tarmo2825 000 $
Sellgren, Jesper2825 000 $
Lajoie, Maxime2825 000 $
Lorentz, Steven2950 000 $
Kapanen, Kasperi22 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Järnkrok, Calle22 500 000 $
Burakovsky, André55 750 000 $
Manson, Josh34 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
CAR
  1. Girard, Samuel
COL
  1. Necas, Martin
  2. 2023 2e round pick (CAR)
Détails additionnels:
Not sure what needs to be added on either side to balance out
2.
CAR
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2023 1e round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Deangelo, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2022 3e round pick (CHI)
3.
CAR
  1. 2023 6e round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Bear, Ethan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Gardiner, Jake
  3. 2023 7e round pick (CAR)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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Logo de CBJ
2023
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Logo de ARI
2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $82 363 584 $112 500 $582 500 $136 416 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Svechnikov, Andrei
7 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 7
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Aho, Sebastian
8 460 250 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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Jarvis, Seth
894 167 $
AD
RFA - 2
Burakovsky, André
5 750 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de CAR
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
4 820 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 8
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Teräväinen, Teuvo
5 400 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
Järnkrok, Calle
2 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de CAR
Staal, Jordan
6 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
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Fast, Jesper
2 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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Rees, Jamieson
839 167 $
C
RFA - 2
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Drury, Jack
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
Kapanen, Kasperi
2 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Slavin, Jaccob
5 300 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
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Girard, Samuel
5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 5
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Andersen, Frederik
4 500 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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Skjei, Brady
5 250 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Pesce, Brett
4 025 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de CAR
Raanta, Antti
2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Keane, Joey
825 000 $
DD
RFA
Manson, Josh
4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 4
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Lorentz, Steven
950 000 $
AD, C, AG
UFA - 2
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Martinook, Jordan
1 800 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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Chatfield, Jalen
762 500 $
DD
UFA - 2

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21 juin à 21 h 48
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What is that Pitt trade?
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What is that Pitt trade?


Really not sure on value for tda. Just thought team fit was there if Letang were to leave. What’re your thoughts
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Value way off? Or did I misread potential fit?
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Quoting: vikhodush
Value way off? Or did I misread potential fit?


I dont think we need him if we resign Letang.
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I dont think we need him if we resign Letang.


Yeah I agree. In description I put this assumed Letang left. I read they’re closer with him than Malkin but still not a done deal. Assuming he left is there a fit?
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Yeah I agree. In description I put this assumed Letang left. I read they’re closer with him than Malkin but still not a done deal. Assuming he left is there a fit?


Would prefer Bear I think.
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Would prefer Bear I think.


Wow really? Curious why you think that.

After seeing both tda is a much better version of Bear imo. Both have defensive deficiencies but TDA can mask his better and while bear has a nice offensive toolkit, tda is another level on that side of ice. Off ice issues are a concern but if you’ve got a veteran leadership and coaching staff I think that can be handled easily.
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Wow really? Curious why you think that.

After seeing both tda is a much better version of Bear imo. Both have defensive deficiencies but TDA can mask his better and while bear has a nice offensive toolkit, tda is another level on that side of ice. Off ice issues are a concern but if you’ve got a veteran leadership and coaching staff I think that can be handled easily.


For sure! I am not sure how Pens feel about his attitude and acquiring him would cost much more... and his AAV will be higher!
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For sure! I am not sure how Pens feel about his attitude and acquiring him would cost much more... and his AAV will be higher!


Yeah definitely. Bear probably costs a third, maybe something else small. He’ll also make half of what tda will if I had to guess.
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ADA reminds me of Evander Kane in a lot of ways both super talented neither can get their head out of their a**
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Canes pass on Girard. Doesn’t fit here
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Canes pass on Girard. Doesn’t fit here


Disagree
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A lot would depend on what a Necas bridge deal was at. But definitely worth considering. One thing is certain though if Girard is moved it would almost be a lock that Manson would be re-signed in COL.
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Disagree


he would be our 3rd LD and a small one at that. Too much for a 3rd LD
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Quoting: Boltsradynasty
ADA reminds me of Evander Kane in a lot of ways both super talented neither can get their head out of their a**

Yeah there’s some similarities there. Tda younger and hopefully learned his lesson. I’d like to keep him but if Lebrun rumor is true and were to happen I feel like they’d move on from him.
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he would be our 3rd LD and a small one at that. Too much for a 3rd LD

He can play right side with slavin and would be fine. Can also take over for skjei if they wanted to go that route. Trade skjei instead of tda.
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sorry cant get the evolving hockey image to work, it aint good.
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i was trying to get a evolving hockey picture to show up. it didnt work. sorry
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No one is giving a 1st for Deangelo.
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No one is giving a 1st for Deangelo.


Idk I don’t think that’s out of the question. Sure there are off ice issues but last year he proved his worth on the ice and stayed clean off of it. Nhl teams have shown in the past that if the talent level is there they’ll give guys multiple chances. A guy who can play on the right side in top 4 and run a PP really well is pretty valuable.
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Think COL would only move Girard this offseason for quite an overpay, so the plus to Necas would need to be significantly more than a second rounder, and CAR's FO isn't into overpaying. If the cost weren't an overpay, it would be for a Girard-esque player (young, proven NHL'er, good contract for years to come) who can be a more reliable 2C than COL's current, non-Kadri options.
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Think COL would only move Girard this offseason for quite an overpay, so the plus to Necas would need to be significantly more than a second rounder, and CAR's FO isn't into overpaying. If the cost weren't an overpay, it would be for a Girard-esque player (young, proven NHL'er, good contract for years to come) who can be a more reliable 2C than COL's current, non-Kadri options.


Yep - that's fair. Girard on his contract is super valuable so understand why it would require an overpay. This was more driven off of Lebrun's report and me trying to brainstorm who those young D could be that moved the needle if we were to trade Necas.

Trade aside - Necas in COL system with their skill & speed would probably be amazing. I'd hate to lose him because I think he probably thrives wherever he ends up going but that would be something to see. Think he fits their system perfectly.
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Yep - that's fair. Girard on his contract is super valuable so understand why it would require an overpay. This was more driven off of Lebrun's report and me trying to brainstorm who those young D could be that moved the needle if we were to trade Necas.

Trade aside - Necas in COL system with their skill & speed would probably be amazing. I'd hate to lose him because I think he probably thrives wherever he ends up going but that would be something to see. Think he fits their system perfectly.


Sometimes it can make sense to overpay, esp. for contenders - Tampa for Goodrow, Coleman, Hagel; COL for Kuemper (if he can get it back together for the rest of the scf). Not sure tho, if/when CAR will do so ... wonder tho if it might make sense so for a goal-scorer this offseason ...

Brannstrom or Ty Smith could be a buy low PMD candidates for CAR, tho maybe they'd want someone proven at this stage of contention window.
EDIT - these wouldn't be for Necas - more underperforming young defense that i could see CAR buying low on

Necas (and Gurianov, Comtois) might look great in COL's system - but the team doesn't really have the trade chips for under performing former bluechippers that they used to have ...
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