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21 juin 2022 à 19 h 10
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Brady Keeper is a RD.

If we trade Turcotte, it will be in a deal for a first-line forward or a #1 LD. Garland doesn't fit the former. He's an excellent player for what he is, but he's just not the answer to our quest. (We're thinking about Fiala or Forsberg or Palat, etc.) We'll trade you Grans and our 2022 second for him, but no more.
21 juin 2022 à 20 h 37
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Doubt Zucker has any Canadian teams on his trade list due to his custody issues with his kid.
21 juin 2022 à 20 h 38
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vegas can match that for roy, eventually lol
21 juin 2022 à 21 h 6
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Ottawa and Pittsburgh say no
21 juin 2022 à 21 h 45
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Vegas cant afford the 2.25 million for Roy so they trade him for the older, less productive, MORE EXPENSIVE Tanner Pearson. lol


edit forgot they also have to pay a 5th rounder for the privilege of doing so lol
21 juin 2022 à 22 h 9
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Quoting: VGKNation702
Vegas cant afford the 2.25 million for Roy so they trade him for the older, less productive, MORE EXPENSIVE Tanner Pearson. lol


edit forgot they also have to pay a 5th rounder for the privilege of doing so lol


Tanner Pearson isn't less productive offensively though
21 juin 2022 à 22 h 10
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Ottawa and Pittsburgh say no


Pittsburgh deal is fair
21 juin 2022 à 22 h 36
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I wouldn’t hate the Ottawa trade. I’d say that the value favours Vancouver significantly, that being said, it’s the exact type of trade I’ve been talking about. it’s basically identical to what I’ve been saying but with Fiala. I’d try to argue in like a random 3rd or something, but I’d take the deal as is if it was this or nothing and the Wild said no to their version of the same trade
22 juin 2022 à 3 h 6
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Pittsburgh deal is fair


It’s a huge overpay by Pittsburgh
22 juin 2022 à 7 h 43
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Tanner Pearson isn't less productive offensively though


That’s not true.

Last two seasons-

Roy-21 goals 33 assists
Pearson-24 goals 28 assists

Roy out produced him last year and very realistically will going forward
22 juin 2022 à 11 h 1
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That’s not true.

Last two seasons-

Roy-21 goals 33 assists
Pearson-24 goals 28 assists

Roy out produced him last year and very realistically will going forward


Eh, it's about even
22 juin 2022 à 11 h 2
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It’s a huge overpay by Pittsburgh


No it's not, don't you have anything better to do than trolling?
22 juin 2022 à 11 h 8
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Easy NO from Ottawa

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I wouldn’t hate the Ottawa trade. I’d say that the value favours Vancouver significantly, that being said, it’s the exact type of trade I’ve been talking about. it’s basically identical to what I’ve been saying but with Fiala. I’d try to argue in like a random 3rd or something, but I’d take the deal as is if it was this or nothing and the Wild said no to their version of the same trade


Really?

Brock Boeser has a 7.5 QO, meaning he has leverage to get a contract with a 7.5 AAV

Look at his injury history and the number of games he has missed

Ottawa package is :

2022 1st round pick (OTT) vs 2022 1st round pick (VAN) : 7th OA to 15th OA trade down, this is huge value

Brown, Connor : 2-way 50 pts forward who mostly produces at ES/PK. Boeser just paced at 53 pts with 40% of his production coming on the PP (our #1 PP is already full full full). Connor Brown will be less costly than Boeser on his next contract. He is a much better skater, much better defensively and much more versatile. Boeser is pretty "unidimensional". Brown is worth a 1st+2nd based on the NHL market the last few deadlines.

Järventie, Roby : early 2nd round pick from 2 years ago. His stock has slightly improved, worth a late1st. I wouldn't trade him for 2nd round pick value, no way.

Brännström, Erik : was a top prospect not too long ago. He hasn't taken the NHL by storm so people think he's some kind of bust but he has progressed every year. He has 27 pts in 83 GP since 2020-21 when he was still 21 y/o... His TOI/GP was 19:46 this season and he looked very good in several games. It's just not easy for a smaller D-man to become a Top-4 at such a young age. He still has value for sure. I wouldn't trade him for anything less than an early 2nd and I wouldn't really be happy with it or anything

Sure Boeser is capable of producing better than last season but doesn't this remind you of Bobby Ryan? He was 0.7 PPG in the last 2 seasons of his contract, then signed the 7.25 AAV extension and just could never live up to it as his injury story piled up and he got older...

This package is like two 1st, two 2nds and the 1st round pick upgrade

This is way too much for Boeser. I would much rather pay that for Fiala and based on past discussions this is probably a bit too much
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22 juin 2022 à 11 h 35
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Easy NO from Ottawa



Really?

Brock Boeser has a 7.5 QO, meaning he has leverage to get a contract with a 7.5 AAV

Look at his injury history and the number of games he has missed

Ottawa package is :

2022 1st round pick (OTT) vs 2022 1st round pick (VAN) : 7th OA to 15th OA trade down, this is huge value

Brown, Connor : 2-way 50 pts forward who mostly produces at ES/PK. Boeser just paced at 53 pts with 40% of his production coming on the PP (our #1 PP is already full full full). Connor Brown will be less costly than Boeser on his next contract. He is a much better skater, much better defensively and much more versatile. Boeser is pretty "unidimensional". Brown is worth a 1st+2nd based on the NHL market the last few deadlines.

Järventie, Roby : early 2nd round pick from 2 years ago. His stock has slightly improved, worth a late1st. I wouldn't trade him for 2nd round pick value, no way.

Brännström, Erik : was a top prospect not too long ago. He hasn't taken the NHL by fire so people think he's some kind of bust but he has progressed every year. He has 27 pts in 83 GP since 2020-21 when he was still 21 y/o... His TOI/GP was 19:46 this season and he looked very good in several games. He's just not easy for a smaller D-man to become a Top-4 at such a young age. He still has value for sure. I wouldn't trade him for anything less than an early 2nd and I wouldn't really be happy with it or anything

Sure Boeser is capable of producing better than last season but doesn't this remind you of Bobby Ryan? He was 0.7 PPG in the last 2 seasons of his contract, then signed the 7.25 AAV extension and just could never live up to it as his injury story piled up and he got older...

This package is like two 1st, two 2nds and the 1st round pick upgrade

This is way too much for Boeser. I would much rather pay that for Fiala and based on past discussions it's probably a bit too much


Don't compare Boeser to Bobby Ryan, they're nothing alike
22 juin 2022 à 11 h 51
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Don't compare Boeser to Bobby Ryan, they're nothing alike


As players? As persons?

Because their careers are kinda similar, although it took years for Bobby to start being injury prone

It's actually more than I thought as I just compared PPGs in relation to their age

Keep in mind that during Bobby's prime (2008-16), NHL scoring was lower that it has been the last few years


What was your argument about it?
22 juin 2022 à 11 h 54
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As players? As persons?

Because their careers are kinda similar, although it took years for Bobby to start being injury prone

It's actually more than I thought as I just compared PPGs in relation to their age

Keep in mind that during Bobby's prime (2008-16), NHL scoring was lower that it has been the last few years


What was your argument about it?


As people, they're nothing alike. As players, I'd say Boeser is a more complete player, and has better hockey IQ. I know Bobby Ryan was crazy productive in his first handful of seasons, but as he got into his mid twenties and beyond, when he presumably would have been entering the prime of his career, he became less productive for some reason
22 juin 2022 à 12 h 56
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
As people, they're nothing alike. As players, I'd say Boeser is a more complete player, and has better hockey IQ. I know Bobby Ryan was crazy productive in his first handful of seasons, but as he got into his mid twenties and beyond, when he presumably would have been entering the prime of his career, he became less productive for some reason


ok but I don't see who they are as people have anything to do here... And by the way, by all accounts Bobby Ryan is a "great guy" in person, everyone likes him

I don't see how Boeser is a more "complete player" and has better hockey IQ? Anyway, if that's your opinion it's fine but I totally disagree. The main difference for me is that Boeser is a goal scorer and Bobby Ryan is a playmaker although the urban legend thinks Ryan was a goal scorer.



Quoting: Knuckl3s
I know Bobby Ryan was crazy productive in his first handful of seasons, but as he got into his mid twenties and beyond, when he presumably would have been entering the prime of his career, he became less productive for some reason


It's not "for some reason", he started being injury prone when he got in Ottawa (notably hand injuries) and by the time he was 29 y/o, he had declined because of age and injuries. What "threw people off" is that he peaked at a very young age but after his first 3 full seasons, he was a consistent ~0.7 PPG player for 5 straight years. Even the last 3 years he was "consistent" but more as a middle-six winger as opposed to the Top-6 forward he was the first 8 years of his career.

2008-09 21 ANA 0.89 PPG
2009-10 22 ANA 0.79 PPG
2010-11 23 ANA 0.87 PPG
2011-12 24 ANA 0.70 PPG
2012-13 25 ANA 0.65 PPG
2013-14 26 OTT 0.69 PPG
2014-15 27 OTT 0.69 PPG
2015-16 28 OTT 0.69 PPG
2016-17 29 OTT 0.51 PPG* (combined RS + Playoffs)
2017-18 30 OTT 0.53 PPG
2018-19 31 OTT 0.54 PPG

Look at Boeser :

2017-18 20 VAN 0.89 PPG
2018-19 21 VAN 0.81 PPG
2019-20 22 VAN 0.79 PPG
2020-21 23 VAN 0.88 PPG
2021-22 24 VAN 0.65 PPG

They have had very similar production trajectories, difference is that Boeser started this thing at 20 y/o. Boeser is still young and might be able to "bounce back" but there's also a chance that he won't be able to reach his previous standards as he gets older and injuries are starting to catch up

There's a TON of forwards who decline in their 20's. Think about Havlat, Heatley, Michalek, etc... Just 3 Sens players on top off my head, do that for 30 teams and the list is very long. Actually, do you want links for data related to forwards age primes and peaks?
22 juin 2022 à 12 h 59
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ok but I don't see who they are as people have anything to do here... And by the way, by all accounts Bobby Ryan is a "great guy" in person, everyone likes him

I don't see how Boeser is a more "complete player" and has better hockey IQ? Anyway, if that's your opinion it's fine but I totally disagree. Advanced stats are similar. The main difference for me is that Boeser is a goal scorer and Bobby Ryan is a playmaker although the urban legend thinks Ryan was a goal scorer.



It's not "for some reason", he started being injury prone when he got in Ottawa (notably hand injuries) and by the time he was 29 y/o, he had declined because of age and injuries. What "threw people off" is that he peaked a very young age but after his first 3 full seasons, he was a consistent ~0.7 PPG player for 5 straight years. Even the last 3 years he was "consistent" but more as a middle-six winger as opposed to the Top-6 forward he was the first 8 years of his career.

2008-09 21 ANA 0.89 PPG
2009-10 22 ANA 0.79 PPG
2010-11 23 ANA 0.87 PPG
2011-12 24 ANA 0.70 PPG
2012-13 25 ANA 0.65 PPG
2013-14 26 OTT 0.69 PPG
2014-15 27 OTT 0.69 PPG
2015-16 28 OTT 0.69 PPG
2016-17 29 OTT 0.51 PPG* (combined RS + Playoffs)
2017-18 30 OTT 0.53 PPG
2018-19 31 OTT 0.54 PPG

Look at Boeser :

2017-18 20 VAN 0.89 PPG
2018-19 21 VAN 0.81 PPG
2019-20 22 VAN 0.79 PPG
2020-21 23 VAN 0.88 PPG
2021-22 24 VAN 0.65 PPG

They have had very similar production trajectories, difference is Boeser started this thing at 20 y/o. Boeser is still young and might be able to "bounce back" but there's also a chance that he won't be able to reach his previous standards as he gets older and injuries are starting to catch up

There's a TON of forwards who decline in their 20's. Think about Havlat, Heatley, Michalek, etc... Just 3 Sens players on top off my head, do that for 30 teams and the list is very long


Ryan was a defensive liability, Boeser isn't, that's what I mean by better hockey IQ

And Boeser will almost definitely bounce back, he just lost his father a little while back and his father's declining health leading up to his passing was weighing heavily on Boeser's mind. With that anchor lifted, Boeser has a very good chance at bouncing back
22 juin 2022 à 13 h 10
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Ryan was a defensive liability, Boeser isn't, that's what I mean by better hockey IQ


Eye test and advanced stats don't say this. He was a bit earlier in Anaheim but he didn't really have to based on he was playing with. His game evolved in Ottawa and he was much more responsible defensively. That was another "urban legend" that was eventually debunked by real facts like advanced stats.

Although he was never a good skater, a bit like Boeser.

Even Jfresh cards are a bit similar, and that was for a declined Ryan, both were in a similar percentile defensively at ES

Quoting: Knuckl3s
And Boeser will almost definitely bounce back, he just lost his father a little while back and his father's declining health leading up to his passing was weighing heavily on Boeser's mind. With that anchor lifted, Boeser has a very good chance at bouncing back


yeah, this also reminds me of Bobby Ryan

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/bobby-ryan-players-tribune-mom-cancer-1.3700630

Information is a very powerful tool and I am a bit of an info maniac lol

So many similarities. It's actually a lot more than I thought after looking at this closer

Look I wish you and Boeser the best and hope he bounces back. All that being said, I wouldn't pay anywhere near what was proposed in the OP to find out.
22 juin 2022 à 13 h 13
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Quoting: Xspyrit
Eye test and advanced stats don't say this. He was a bit earlier in Anaheim but he didn't really have to based on he was playing with. His game evolved in Ottawa and he was much more responsible defensively. That was another "urban legend" that was eventually debunked by real facts like advanced stats.

Although he was never a good skater, a bit like Boeser.

Even Jfresh cards are a bit similar, and that was for a declined Ryan, both were in a similar percentile defensively at ES



yeah, this also reminds me of Bobby Ryan

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/bobby-ryan-players-tribune-mom-cancer-1.3700630

Information is a very powerful tool and I am a bit of an info maniac lol

So many similarities. It's actually a lot more than I thought after looking at this closer

Look I wish you and Boeser the best and hope he bounces back. All that being said, I wouldn't pay anywhere near what was proposed in the OP to find out.


That's fine, just saying the Canucks aren't gonna sell low on Boeser for what they believe his impact can be
22 juin 2022 à 14 h 38
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
That's fine, just saying the Canucks aren't gonna sell low on Boeser for what they believe his impact can be


They shouldn't. I don't sell my assets at their lowest value, Canucks shouldn't either. They have to try to help Boeser to bounce back before trading him

Contract negotiations could complicate things but as long as they sign a contract, no problem
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