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Équipe: 2022-23 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 21 juin 2022
Publié: 21 juin 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
44 000 000 $
2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
65 750 000 $
37 000 000 $
22 000 000 $
43 750 000 $
12 250 000 $
Transactions
COL
  1. Beauvillier, Anthony
  2. Varlamov, Semyon (1 500 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (COL)
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $82 490 833 $25 000 $3 987 500 $9 167 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 7
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6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
Logo de Islanders de New York
4 150 000 $4 150 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C
UFA - 4
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5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 8
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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908 333 $908 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
912 500 $912 500 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
800 000 $800 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
Logo de Islanders de New York
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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987 500 $987 500 $
DG/DD, AG
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
AD
RFA - 1

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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 20
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You could argue that deal isn’t fair to NYI without retention or the pick. Isles decline.
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 23
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You can’t trade an injured defenseman and a middle six winger for a guy who can theoretically play top 6 minutes, a starting tendy with salary retained and a 2nd round pick!!!
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 23
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You could argue that deal isn’t fair to NYI without retention or the pick. Isles decline.


Yeah, I felt that way with it too honestly -- feels like an overpay. I wonder if COL would have interest without some pick added though. Would be interested to hear from NYI and COL fans on just a 2 for 2 swap.

edit: not a fan of either team -- NSH fan -- so I'm sure others have more insight into these players
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 24
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Yeah, I felt that way with it to honestly -- feels like an overpay. I wonder if COL would have interest without some pick added though. Would be interested to hear from NYI and COL fans on just a 2 for 2 swap.


Sakic has already swindled Lou once. I don’t even want to trade for Girard for that reason lol. He’s an inferior puck mover to Toews and he’s small. Couple that worth his reasonable injury and this package isn’t enough for the isles without the pick or retention on Varly.
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 25
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Yeah, I felt that way with it too honestly -- feels like an overpay. I wonder if COL would have interest without some pick added though. Would be interested to hear from NYI and COL fans on just a 2 for 2 swap.

edit: not a fan of either team -- NSH fan -- so I'm sure others have more insight into these players


I think the other issue is that Isles fans r def gonna value Beau way more than Compher based on his contract status and highly theoretical upside.
21 juin 2022 à 16 h 26
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Sakic has already swindled Lou once. I don’t even want to trade for Girard for that reason lol. He’s an inferior puck mover to Toews and he’s small. Couple that worth his reasonable injury and this package isn’t enough for the isles without the pick or retention on Varly.


Fair enough. I do think that Varlamov to COL is an interesting idea for both teams-- not sure what that looks like, but COL would need at least some retention to be interested (if Kuemper is too expensive). And for what it's worth, I do think Girard gets overvalued pretty hard on this site-- he's good, but not amazing. I do think a Girard - Dobson would be an interesting pairing though.
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 28
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Fair enough. I do think that Varlamov to COL is an interesting idea for both teams-- not sure what that looks like, but COL would need at least some retention to be interested (if Kuemper is too expensive). And for what it's worth, I do think Girard gets overvalued pretty hard on this site-- he's good, but not amazing. I do think a Girard - Dobson would be an interesting pairing though.


Avs may want retention but they certainly don’t need it. Isles aren’t gonna retain salary in what is supposed to be a cost cutting move.
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 30
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Fair enough. I do think that Varlamov to COL is an interesting idea for both teams-- not sure what that looks like, but COL would need at least some retention to be interested (if Kuemper is too expensive). And for what it's worth, I do think Girard gets overvalued pretty hard on this site-- he's good, but not amazing. I do think a Girard - Dobson would be an interesting pairing though.


Reality of the matter is that each teams fanbase overvalued one young player on this site. For the Avs that guy is Girard and for the isles that guy is beau lol.

Issue with Beau is that Trotz and Lou did everything they could to make his life harder. Kid is a natural center and whenever they’ve had injuries they’ve used a call up or Josh Bailey at center over him. It’s worth mentioning Josh Bailey hates playing center lmao.
21 juin 2022 à 16 h 31
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I like Beauvillier and have never been a big Compher guy, but Compher just scored 6 more goals and had only one less point in five fewer games than Beau. The latter is signed longer, so I guess there's that, but the main point is that I don't think Beauvillier has as much value as many others here think.

Girard is the best player in the trade by a lot, he has the best contract by a lot, and he plays the most important position. Add that the difference between Beauvillier and Compher isn't as great as folks think means the pick is absolutely necessary. And I actually still doubt Colorado says yes here.

A good effort here though imo. It's at least in the neighborhood and elicits some thought.
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 31
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Fair enough. I do think that Varlamov to COL is an interesting idea for both teams-- not sure what that looks like, but COL would need at least some retention to be interested (if Kuemper is too expensive). And for what it's worth, I do think Girard gets overvalued pretty hard on this site-- he's good, but not amazing. I do think a Girard - Dobson would be an interesting pairing though.


Under Trotz the isles neglected to develop young talent and then took credit whenever a young player started to do well. Scratching someone doesn’t make them better. Burakovsky and Stephenson would probably agree with me.
21 juin 2022 à 16 h 32
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I like Beauvillier and have never been a big Compher guy, but Compher just scored 6 more goals and had only one less point in five fewer games than Beau. The latter is signed longer, so I guess there's that, but the main point is that I don't think Beauvillier has as much value as many others here think.

Girard is the best player in the trade by a lot, he has the best contract by a lot, and he plays the most important position. Add that the difference between Beauvillier and Compher isn't as great as folks think means the pick is absolutely necessary. And I actually still doubt Colorado says yes here.

A good effort here though imo. It's at least in the neighborhood and elicits some thought.


Don’t think the Islanders even consider it. Even if ur right about Girard, he’s currently hurt which has an immense impact on his trade value.
21 juin 2022 à 16 h 33
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Don’t think the Islanders even consider it. Even if ur right about Girard, he’s currently hurt which has an immense impact on his trade value.


I can't agree with that. He'll by fine by next year.
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 34
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I like Beauvillier and have never been a big Compher guy, but Compher just scored 6 more goals and had only one less point in five fewer games than Beau. The latter is signed longer, so I guess there's that, but the main point is that I don't think Beauvillier has as much value as many others here think.

Girard is the best player in the trade by a lot, he has the best contract by a lot, and he plays the most important position. Add that the difference between Beauvillier and Compher isn't as great as folks think means the pick is absolutely necessary. And I actually still doubt Colorado says yes here.

A good effort here though imo. It's at least in the neighborhood and elicits some thought.


Issue with ur Compher V Beauvillier logic is that Compher plays on a good team in a supporting role. Barry put Beauvillier on the 4th line then yelled at him for not scoring. I like Compher btw. I even like Girard. But asking for two guys who may be more valuable to the Habs next year along with a pick is kind of ridiculous imo.
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I can't agree with that. He'll by fine by next year.


There’s going to be risk when a guy gets hurt like Girard did.
21 juin 2022 à 16 h 36
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I can't agree with that. He'll by fine by next year.


I get that you don’t want to agree with it and I agree he has value. But there’s a legit argument over who is better in the playoffs Beau or Girard. I don’t think you can evaluate what Beau has done in the regular season the past few years.

Trotz gets a lot of credit for the isles success. That being said he played Leo Komarov on the first line in a ****ing game 7. At a certain point I have to think the guy doing that is part of the problem.
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Issue with ur Compher V Beauvillier logic is that Compher plays on a good team in a supporting role. Barry put Beauvillier on the 4th line then yelled at him for not scoring. I like Compher btw. I even like Girard. But asking for two guys who may be more valuable to the Habs next year along with a pick is kind of ridiculous imo.


I like Beau. If the Isles want to sell low on him, which they shouldn't, I'd be in. I'm not trading Girard for him though. It doesn't make sense for the Avs.
21 juin 2022 à 16 h 37
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I like Beau. If the Isles want to sell low on him, which they shouldn't, I'd be in. I'm not trading Girard for him though. It doesn't make sense for the Avs.


I’d trade Girard to clear cap space and get some draft capital tbh so I can’t blame u. Hockey trades don’t usually happen for a reason lmao.
21 juin 2022 à 16 h 39
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I get that you don’t want to agree with it and I agree he has value. But there’s a legit argument over who is better in the playoffs Beau or Girard. I don’t think you can evaluate what Beau has done in the regular season the past few years.

Trotz gets a lot of credit for the isles success. That being said he played Leo Komarov on the first line in a ****ing game 7. At a certain point I have to think the guy doing that is part of the problem.


Trotz dragged down Beauvillier. That I agree with. Girard had to drag Jack Johnson around the ice this year, which brought him down as well. Neither player is at their point of strongest value.
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21 juin 2022 à 16 h 42
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Trotz dragged down Beauvillier. That I agree with. Girard had to drag Jack Johnson around the ice this year, which brought him down as well. Neither player is at their point of strongest value.


Agreed. I personally wouldn’t trade for a guy who is injured tho.
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21 juin 2022 à 17 h 36
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Girard would get eaten alive by Tampa/Boston/Washington forecheckers in the playoffs if he even got there healthy. They would absolutely target him by dumping the puck in his corner and plastering him against the boards.
 
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