There's three reasons as to why I don't buy the idea of Miller being an asset that brings an absolutely massive haul from other teams for VAN.
Reason 1 - he's a rental. Yes, you could argue that VAN could make a Jones-esque swap with him, but the situation is a bit different between Miller and Jones. For starters, Jones was 26 when he was traded and is 27 when that major extension kicks in, while Miller is 29. For VAN to reach the value Jones got, there needs to be a massive long-term extension in place, which would kick in when he's 30. How many GMs are willing to risk signing Miller into a close-to-max term contract that will carry him until he's 37 or 38? Very few I'd wager.
Reason 2 - the year he had was a massive outlier. Throughout his career he has been a 50-60 point kind of guy with offensive upside for 70 points when things go really well. The fact that he hit almost 100 points is in itself very impressive, but also very unlikely for him to repeat. How many GMs are willing to take a chance on him doing that again, and spend a fortune on him because of it. Very few I'd wager.
Reason 3 - available roles in the long term. For a team to be seriously interested in investing on Miller, there should be an obvious need for his service and an obvious slot for him to fill. Maybe a new 2C for Colorado? How about a 1LW for Toronto? Miller would be a pitch perfect guy in these slots in the short term, but there's no way they could afford to keep him in the long-term. He would be ideally short term strengthening to a team, but there's no way they'd pay arm and leg for only 4-6 months of him. For VAN to get superb value for him, he would need to be shipped to a team where his services are needed in the long-term, but the problem is that those who could afford to give that contract for him are teams that are not competing quite yet. How many GMs would be willing to spend a large part of their future for an asset they'd ink for long-term, but would also risk wasting his prime while being on the rebuild - that could be a waste of 3-5 years of his contract in worse cases. Very few I'd wager.
To summarize - in order for VAN to get arm and leg in exchange to Miller they would need to find a GM, who's willing to take many almost idiotic risks to make his team better. Can that happen? Sure. But I don't think it would make sense.
In my opinion, VAN should just keep Miller. He has played his best hockey thus far in Vancouver, and the chances are he's not dropping in level if staying in there. I'd imagine for Miller staying shouldn't be a problem either.
I am curious what you define as a "massive" return. There were reports that Rutherford/Alvin were asking for 4 pieces for Miller. A first round pick, young roster player, high level prospect and another piece (pick or player) were the posited components . That in itself may be quantity, but it's by no means massive. A late 1st in this draft has value, but there are no blue chippers in that range. The roster player is probably going to be a projectable middle six type player in his early 20's and the prospect and extra piece (if he gets it) still need to develop into something.....no sure thing.
IF Miller fetches something like the above, or even is part of a trade that moves the Canucks into the top 7 of this draft, it will be a huge win. Alvin/Rutherford aren't going to settle for spare parts, thats for sure.
By massive, I'm more or less referring to posts such as VAN receiving 5th overall + Brink or Attard in exchange to Miller, that sort of thing. There's just no way that happens.
By massive, I'm more or less referring to posts such as VAN receiving 5th overall + Brink or Attard in exchange to Miller, that sort of thing. There's just no way that happens.
Hard to say what will happen. The 5OA is 2-3 years from playing, never mind contributing. Probably more pieces both ways if that is the deal.
Agree with reason 3. The only teams that make sense as far as competing through Miller prime and will have some cap space to extend him are Pitt and Col (if Col loses all of their UFA's) a dark horse could be Nash if they lose Forsberg. Also Col has a MacKinnon extension to worry about. Maybe Ott if they think they are ready to take the next step. Does 7oa for miller 1 for 1 work. Don't see how they give up much more.
Van been burned so many times by UFA's leaving for nothing they are over compensating so hard.
Yeah, the new regime recognizes that the team can't afford to let pending UFA's walk for nothing anymore. Miller for the 7OA sounds all right, I wouldn't hate it if the Canucks explored such a deal with Ottawa
Very well laid out and rational reasoning on Miller's value. Vancouver fans don't want to admit it to themselves but being a rental along with the other realities laid out, drops his value significantly.
Very well laid out and rational reasoning on Miller's value. Vancouver fans don't want to admit it to themselves but being a rental along with the other realities laid out, drops his value significantly.
The NHL isn't fantasyland.
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