Overpay for Varlamov, especially since they aren't even doing the retaining. So they are getting a 1st, 3rd, abramov, and 5m for a goalie they don't need or want because the cap.

Canucks decline. Schenn is better defensively, more physical, a better role model, and cheaper

Canucks pass no reason to do this

1st of all we are also giving up a 2nd, very convenient of you to leave that out.
2nd based on the kuemper trade last offseason varly for a late 1st is pretty fair value. Take out a 3rd and abramov and take out the 2nd bc id rather not do that. Straight up a 1st for varly and a 3rd for someone to retain on him.
3rd lou has said many times that he wants 2 good goalies and he has no interest in moving varlamov so saying nyi doesnt need or want varly is flat out false. Out of all people i wouldve thought a toronto fan would appreciate the value of 2 good goalies.

The 2nd is going to the team retaining the contract. Varlamov was shopped around the deadline, they don't need him because they have Sorokin and I said they don't want him because of their cap situation. Having two goalies is great but at 5m it's a luxury that NYI can't afford.

I know this deal was based on the Kuemper trade, that being said Kuemper had a better performance in the last 3 years before being traded vs Varlamov. And there was some bidding going on as well.

If it does turn out to be a late first it's perhaps worth doing, assuming the team can retain the goalie as well. However, for the Leafs, he's a rental option that probably doesn't get resigned and their are FA options that wouldn't cost them assets. If they go the trade route, it's so that they can have someone potentially for the next 5 years even if he doesn't come with the contract.

No its not its a 3rd going for the retention though i see the confusion. He wrote 2nd 3rd round pick meaning the second of the 2 3rd rounders will go for the retention.
Also idk where you made up that varly was shopped at the TDL from but that seems the exact opposite of what lou would do. As for the cap space this year they have plenty of cap space. 12m and the only big contract they have to sign is dobson. You really have no idea what youre talking about

Varly was available but he didn't want to waive for the Oilers.

You are only looking at this upcoming offseason for the cap. Sure, they can let Varly just go at the end of the season but if they miss the playoffs again? What's the point? Moving him makes more sense than keeping him. That allows them to make additions now.

Also, what's up with the Beauvillier trade rumors, if it's not cap related?

1st, 3rd, Abramov for Varlamov, 2nd

Yeah, someone pointed that out to me. I still don't think the trade benefits the Leafs since he's not going to be playing 65-70 games, and Toronto doesn't have a 1A or 1B to play with him. I don't think he would want to come to Toronto anyways.

I see wsh as a better fit if they include vancek in the trade and trust Varlamov more than him. The Leafs have a few goalie prospects now but so far I don't think any are expected to be starters the following season or 1Bs. Rather, they acquire someone who might have a future with the team if they are trading.

No someone asked varly if he would waive for the oilers if they would want to trade for him and he said no. Nothing to do with management shopping him.

If they are out of it at the TDL then theyll retain 50% and move him then. It makes no sense to move him now.

Lou said he was going to make "hockey trades" and since guys like bailey have minimal value they wouldnt bring back much so beau is the guy a lot of people are pointing to. Id love to keep him but again nothing to do with cap.

They are asset management type moves, that do have cap implications.

The 12m is not enough for Dobson, signing players for this year, potentially getting that top 6 goal scoring forward that has been on the teams radar, and have enough left to extend Barzal. Even without adding a top 6, 12m might be enough for Dobson, Barzal, and Mayfield if they the former two sign team friendly contracts. They still need to sign 3D and a back up goalie.

What are you talking about barzal or mayfield for? Their contracts expire next offseason when varlys off the books bc his contract expires. The overages and panik are gone as well.

As for aquiring a top 6 goal scorer (certainly a need) that would mean they would have to move out a roster player bc there would be no room on the roster without moving out a forward.

Do you think Lou isn't going to be thinking of next off season too?

I'm talking about them because their are eligible for extensions and while Varlamov's contract comes off the book, they have the opportunity to retain some assets if they move him and get a replacement during the off season if that's the direction they which to move in.

Asset and cap management go hand in hand. If they do expect to make the playoffs with little changes to the team, then yes they can keep him until they expect to miss like you said but it's possible that he doesn't have much interest then.

I wasn't saying they were in the worst cap situation but they do need to make cap related decisions if they want to make additions.

Trading varly makes no sense. They are trying to win and having 2 good goalies is crucial to that. They have the cap to keep him and although fans absolutely hate losing assets to FA for nothing thats what happens.
Asset and cap management go hand in hand but winning and trading good players so you dont lose them to FA the next year dont.

Agreed, I'm sure they do expect to compete. That being said they can acquire someone else but perhaps they would rather go with a known entity. I know tandems are becoming more prominent but I guess I was just assuming that Sorokin would be able to carry a bit more of the load.

The islanders are not re-signing Mayfield

Still needs to be replaced, that's why I said they would have to sign 3D

You sure they aren't

He can be replaced with a defenseman making close to league minimum. Plus their top D prospect is NHL ready and will be making less than 800k for the next 2 seasons

Mayfield will want a big contract because he’s been playing on a bargain contract for the last 5 years. With Pulock and Dobson they can’t afford to pay mayfield 4 mill-4.5 mill.

I think Mayfield gets between 2.85M-3.35M on the open market

He’ll use Risto’s contract as a comparable. Someone will give him 4 x 4. Teams always overpay for big RHD

4x4 eh? More like an Adam Larsson comp

Forgot about him. Either way Mayfiekd won’t be an Islander past next season. Can’t pay him and Dobson

Probably not