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Équipe: 2022-23 Wild du Minnesota
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17 juin 2022 à 10 h 49
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You'd have to give up a lot more for Necas. I think he is only moved for a top 6 forward for the Canes. Hunt probably tops out as a bottom pairing player and Khovanov at this point is a warm body for the AHL.
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17 juin 2022 à 10 h 55
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Unless you forgot to add someone like Boldy (probably a little much but it males the point) Carolina passes hard. Edit: On the Necas trade that it.

Kulikov for a 3rd is meh, I get that could be any team but eh.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 2
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I can see something like this. Maybe top 5 protection? But yeah I can see the Devils deal being something more or less like this.
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17 juin 2022 à 11 h 2
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Unless you forgot to add someone like Boldy (probably a little much but it males the point) Carolina passes hard. Edit: On the Necas trade that it.

Kulikov for a 3rd is meh, I get that could be any team but eh.



Hi again, and I still think you’re valuing Necas way too highly. Based on a couple season ago and not in 2022 where his value has declined. The package going back is two high quality prospects. Lol Boldy? That didn’t help your cause at all, only proves you think too highly of Necas. The presumption here is Car gets a big fish in FA.

Yeah, same with Kul, really any team looking for depth. Same goes for Jost.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 5
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I can see something like this. Maybe top 5 protection? But yeah I can see the Devils deal being something more or less like this.


Yeah, top 5 works too. I think this would be a win for MN and NJ. NJ keeps their young core together and 2OA and gets Fiala.I’m not saying 2 OA would go for Fiala but you keep it and get Fiala as opposed to maybe flipping it for Cat or someone else. And MN gets a high quality right shot center prospect and another first in a better draft in 2023 I don’t expect NJ to pick too 5 at all next year.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 6
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That’s not even getting GMDW to pick the phone up for Necas. If it’s Necas plus a pick or prospect for Fiala then there’s a trade to be had there. Otherwise no chance
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 9
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That’s not even getting GMDW to pick the phone up for Necas. If it’s Necas plus a pick or prospect for Fiala then there’s a trade to be had there. Otherwise no chance


2 high quality prospects for Necas (#4 system ranked by Athletic) isn’t enough for Necas? You wouldn’t need Fiala in this scenario, as I said above, the presumption here is Car got a big fish in FA.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 14
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2 high quality prospects for Necas (#4 system ranked by Athletic) isn’t enough for Necas? You wouldn’t need Fiala in this scenario, as I said above, the presumption here is Car got a big fish in FA.


Don’t know a ton about those specific prospects so not sure how high quality they actually are (are you saying MIN has number 4 prospect pool in league? Not sure how that relates to these two specific prospects. Canes have a great prospect pool but there are plenty of prospects that aren’t considered high end for example). would rather keep Necas in that scenario or use him to further upgrade in a separate trade.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 19
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Don’t know a ton about those specific prospects so not sure how high quality they actually are (are you saying MIN has number 4 prospect pool in league? Not sure how that relates to these two specific prospects. Canes have a great prospect pool but there are plenty of prospects that aren’t considered high end for example). would rather keep Necas in that scenario or use him to further upgrade in a separate trade.


Ugh, my bad looks like my comment attached to the trade got deleted. I had to redo the trade. Well, this trade scenario was meant after Car signed Johnny H or someone big and needed to move Necas. Khovanov has high end skill and talent, but has fallen out of favor with MN, he needs a fresh start. Hunt is a LHD prospect.

So even if you signed a big fish, you’d still hold Necas and not deal him for futures? I thought he needed a fresh start? Maybe I had the situation wrong there.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 19
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Hi again, and I still think you’re valuing Necas way too highly. Based on a couple season ago and not in 2022 where his value has declined. The package going back is two high quality prospects. Lol Boldy? That didn’t help your cause at all, only proves you think too highly of Necas. The presumption here is Car gets a big fish in FA.

Yeah, same with Kul, really any team looking for depth. Same goes for Jost.


Khovanov is an AHL warm body. If Hunt is anything more than a 3rd pairing D, it's a small miracle. Necas still put up 40 points, wants to play Center, and is a season removed from a 60 point pace. If this is what you think his value is, you're beyond help.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 21
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Ugh, my bad looks like my comment attached to the trade got deleted. I had to redo the trade. Well, this trade scenario was meant after Car signed Johnny H or someone big and needed to move Necas. Khovanov has high end skill and talent, but has fallen out of favor with MN, he needs a fresh start. Hunt is a LHD prospect.

So even if you signed a big fish, you’d still hold Necas and not deal him for futures? I thought he needed a fresh start? Maybe I had the situation wrong there.


Canes don't have the cap for a big fish free agent. They still have to fill the roster out.

As for Necas, no he doesn't need a fresh start. He needs to be put back into his natural position. That was something Rod and Necas talked about at their end of year conferences. He's STILL a 40 point guy, and would take a LOT more than this.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 22
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Khovanov is an AHL warm body. If Hunt is anything more than a 3rd pairing D, it's a small miracle. Necas still put up 40 points, wants to play Center, and is a season removed from a 60 point pace. If this is what you think his value is, you're beyond help.


A little harsh on the prospect rankings there. not sure I agree there at all. Prospects can be switched (O’Rourke/Lambos whatever) or changed to picks. Was more the idea of getting Necas for prospects / picks.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 23
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Fair Fiala trade.
A 1st other than the #2 pick with some protections + a waivable roster player with runway to develop further is about as high I’d want to go for Fiala.
Some other GM might beat that offer however.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 25
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Ugh, my bad looks like my comment attached to the trade got deleted. I had to redo the trade. Well, this trade scenario was meant after Car signed Johnny H or someone big and needed to move Necas. Khovanov has high end skill and talent, but has fallen out of favor with MN, he needs a fresh start. Hunt is a LHD prospect.

So even if you signed a big fish, you’d still hold Necas and not deal him for futures? I thought he needed a fresh start? Maybe I had the situation wrong there.


Did a bit of quick research - Khovanov seems like a solid prospect with high upside but to your point has fallen out of favor so maybe there’s 2C potential there but risk seems higher now. Hunt looks like a 3rd pairing guy at nhl but seems to have injury issues. Not saying these are bad prospects but I just don’t think selling low on Necas for a couple of prospects who have some potential but have their own issues is worth it.

So yes, would keep Necas in that scenario and put him on a bridge deal to see what he can do. Or trade him for somebody who can help in the short term.
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Canes don't have the cap for a big fish free agent. They still have to fill the roster out.

As for Necas, no he doesn't need a fresh start. He needs to be put back into his natural position. That was something Rod and Necas talked about at their end of year conferences. He's STILL a 40 point guy, and would take a LOT more than this.


Quoting: Caniac2000
Canes don't have the cap for a big fish free agent. They still have to fill the roster out.

As for Necas, no he doesn't need a fresh start. He needs to be put back into his natural position. That was something Rod and Necas talked about at their end of year conferences. He's STILL a 40 point guy, and would take a LOT more than this.


Ah well the Athletic Car beat writer disagrees with you. Puts it at 50/50 that he’s back and that he needs a fresh start lol.
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Did a bit of quick research - Khovanov seems like a solid prospect with high upside but to your point has fallen out of favor so maybe there’s 2C potential there but risk seems higher now. Hunt looks like a 3rd pairing guy at nhl but seems to have injury issues. Not saying these are bad prospects but I just don’t think selling low on Necas for a couple of prospects who have some potential but have their own issues is worth it.

So yes, would keep Necas in that scenario and put him on a bridge deal to see what he can do. Or trade him for somebody who can help in the short term.


Lambos and Khovanov then? It’s the idea not the actual prospects. A first and Khovanov? I don’t really care who, just if it’s possible to flip for prospects or if Car would only take a proven player, even if they sign a big fish.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 28
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Necas won’t be trade for he Wild. Only player that makes sense is Fiala but that isn’t a asset trade the Canes will make. It’s a ‘different idea, but it’s really the same problem with these two as trade partners
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Jost is a bust and won’t crack the lineup in ANA. A 3rd isn’t worth much, but I’d still keep it over Jost
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Fair Fiala trade.
A 1st other than the #2 pick with some protections + a waivable roster player with runway to develop further is about as high I’d want to go for Fiala.
Some other GM might beat that offer however.


Very possible but with more scorers joining the market, definitely could see this being the return.
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Canes don't have the cap for a big fish free agent. They still have to fill the roster out.

As for Necas, no he doesn't need a fresh start. He needs to be put back into his natural position. That was something Rod and Necas talked about at their end of year conferences. He's STILL a 40 point guy, and would take a LOT more than this.


Necas might be the trickiest of the bunch to pinpoint. I still think the 22-year-old has a ton of potential as a playmaker and a goal scorer, but the Canes haven’t done him any favors. First, they kept him in the AHL for an extra year to buy another season of his ELC, then they signed Kotkaniemi to be their second-line center of the future when Necas has always felt strongly about wanting to shift back to the middle. While he had a rough season when everyone thought it was going to be his breakout year, I understand why it was rough. I wonder if the Canes can salvage this relationship or if they’re better off letting Necas spread his wings elsewhere. He’s an RFA, so they have control, but I’m expecting either a very short bridge deal or a trade.

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Jost is a bust and won’t crack the lineup in ANA. A 3rd isn’t worth much, but I’d still keep it over Jost


Any team and pick really. Cap dump
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Necas won’t be trade for he Wild. Only player that makes sense is Fiala but that isn’t a asset trade the Canes will make. It’s a ‘different idea, but it’s really the same problem with these two as trade partners


Even if Canes get a big fish in FA and are just looking to move Necas for value?
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 34
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Lambos and Khovanov then? It’s the idea not the actual prospects. A first and Khovanov? I don’t really care who, just if it’s possible to flip for prospects or if Car would only take a proven player, even if they sign a big fish.


I get it but don’t think it would happen. If he’s moved it’s likely for a proven player or part of a 3 team deal where we flip assets from Necas for a proven player.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 37
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Nothing you’ve sent here helps us win a cup these two years before we have a ton of core players expiring.

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Even if Canes get a big fish in FA and are just looking to move Necas for value?
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Necas might be the trickiest of the bunch to pinpoint. I still think the 22-year-old has a ton of potential as a playmaker and a goal scorer, but the Canes haven’t done him any favors. First, they kept him in the AHL for an extra year to buy another season of his ELC, then they signed Kotkaniemi to be their second-line center of the future when Necas has always felt strongly about wanting to shift back to the middle. While he had a rough season when everyone thought it was going to be his breakout year, I understand why it was rough. I wonder if the Canes can salvage this relationship or if they’re better off letting Necas spread his wings elsewhere. He’s an RFA, so they have control, but I’m expecting either a very short bridge deal or a trade.

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Civian just isn't good at what she does, but sure. Everyone knows KK isn't the 2C long-term, he's the 3C. Which opens up the 2C for Necas. That's not been hidden. The only issue is that Staal has another year. But you know, whatever.
 
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