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Marchand Trade

Créé par: Hullsy09
Date de création initiale: 16 juin 2022
Publié: 16 juin 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier3900 000 $
Heinen, Danton32 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Malkin, Evgeni36 500 000 $
Letang, Kris48 000 000 $
Fleury, Marc-André11 500 000 $
Rakell, Rickard44 150 000 $
Zadorov, Nikita33 000 000 $
Rodrigues, Evan32 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Marchand, Brad (1 125 000 $ retained)
BOS
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. Choix de 2022 ronde en 1e (PIT)
  3. Choix de 2023 ronde en 1e (PIT)
  4. Choix de 2023 ronde en 4e (PIT)
2.
PIT
  1. Choix de 2023 ronde en 3e (DET)
DET
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
Rachats de contrats
  • Jack Johnson: 1 916 667 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGE1E RONDE2E RONDE3E RONDE4E RONDE5E RONDE6E RONDE7E RONDE
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $82 041 667 $0 $0 $458 333 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Marchand, Brad
5 000 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Crosby, Sidney
8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Guentzel, Jake
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Rakell, Rickard
4 150 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 6
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Malkin, Evgeni
6 500 000 $
C
UFA - 4
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Rust, Bryan
5 125 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
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Heinen, Danton
2 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Rodrigues, Evan
2 000 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
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Carter, Jeff
3 125 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
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O'Connor, Drew
750 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
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Blueger, Teddy
2 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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McGinn, Brock
2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Dumoulin, Brian
4 100 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Letang, Kris
8 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
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Jarry, Tristan
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Matheson, Michael
4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Marino, John
4 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
Fleury, Marc-André
1 500 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
900 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Zadorov, Nikita
3 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Zohorna, Radim
750 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Ruhwedel, Chad
800 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

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16 juin 2022 à 21 h 26
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Boston says no. Underpay for Marchand. Need to give up more.
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16 juin 2022 à 21 h 27
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Boston isn't retaining on Brad Marchand.

He's coming off double hip surgery doubtful he's ready until December or January.
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16 juin 2022 à 21 h 45
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
Boston isn't retaining on Brad Marchand.

He's coming off double hip surgery doubtful he's ready until December or January.


I dont think retaining 1.25 million when you are going into a rebuild is the least likely thing with this ACGM
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Boston says no. Underpay for Marchand. Need to give up more.


I agree but I was just using the trade he used
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16 juin 2022 à 22 h 26
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I agree but I was just using the trade he used


But is two late firsts and a cap dump really what boston is going to want for a guy thats been a top 5 scorer in the league the last 5 years, with elite defense, and a very team friendly contract?
16 juin 2022 à 22 h 53
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But is two late firsts and a cap dump really what boston is going to want for a guy thats been a top 5 scorer in the league the last 5 years, with elite defense, and a very team friendly contract?


Quoting: CMcAvoy73
But is two late firsts and a cap dump really what boston is going to want for a guy thats been a top 5 scorer in the league the last 5 years, with elite defense, and a very team friendly contract?


Take it up with the guy who made the trade lol

He is also coming off hip surgery tbf
16 juin 2022 à 22 h 58
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Take it up with the guy who made the trade lol

He is also coming off hip surgery tbf


Aren’t you the guy that made the trade?
16 juin 2022 à 23 h 4
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Aren’t you the guy that made the trade?


I just said I am copying the one a bruins fan made in the ACGM I linked. I think Pitt probably needs to add a bit more but not a crazy amount
17 juin 2022 à 9 h 36
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I just said I am copying the one a bruins fan made in the ACGM I linked. I think Pitt probably needs to add a bit more but not a crazy amount


Why would you copy a trade?

Anyhow, that guy is totally out to lunch. I think he probably thinks zucker is good
17 juin 2022 à 10 h 57
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Why would you copy a trade?

Anyhow, that guy is totally out to lunch. I think he probably thinks zucker is good


Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Why would you copy a trade?

Anyhow, that guy is totally out to lunch. I think he probably thinks zucker is good


It’s something that happens pretty often on here. A person sees a trade that someone else posts in on of their ACGMs and wants to show what it looks like from the other teams POV.

I think you are also overeating the value of a 34 year old who is going to miss half the season due to a major surgery
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 2
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Why would you copy a trade?

Anyhow, that guy is totally out to lunch. I think he probably thinks zucker is good

It was interesting ACGM. A Homer Pitt fan told me Zucker + 2nd was fair and then tried to defend his stance because what Zucker brings to the locker room.
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 3
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It was interesting ACGM. A Homer Pitt fan told me Zucker + 2nd was fair and then tried to defend his stance because what Zucker brings to the locker room.


Lol that’s ridiculous and I like zucker
17 juin 2022 à 11 h 21
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Lol that’s ridiculous and I like zucker


Sorry it was Zucker, 2nd, and 4th. The 4th really tilts the scale here.

Found the ACGM
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/593587?post_id=3300454
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17 juin 2022 à 11 h 27
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Sorry it was Zucker, 2nd, and 4th. The 4th really tilts the scale here.

Found the ACGM
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/593587?post_id=3300454


I had a whole description which linked the ACGM written but idk where it went
17 juin 2022 à 13 h 38
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Quoting: Hullsy09
It’s something that happens pretty often on here. A person sees a trade that someone else posts in on of their ACGMs and wants to show what it looks like from the other teams POV.

I think you are also overeating the value of a 34 year old who is going to miss half the season due to a major surgery


I know that, but most make note of it in the description or title.

I think a lot of people on this site confuse worth and value.

What is Marchand worth? Might be somewhere around this trade. Probably not, but maybe. What is his value? That’s whatever makes the bruins decide they are would like to trade him. Worth and value are rarely the same.

Also, Marchand is expected to return in late November. Not nearly half the season.
17 juin 2022 à 14 h 1
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I know that, but most make note of it in the description or title.

I think a lot of people on this site confuse worth and value.

What is Marchand worth? Might be somewhere around this trade. Probably not, but maybe. What is his value? That’s whatever makes the bruins decide they are would like to trade him. Worth and value are rarely the same.

Also, Marchand is expected to return in late November. Not nearly half the season.


I wrote a description, not sure why its not visible.

"This trade is inspired by @l19f9 (https://www.capfriendly.com/users/l19f9). In his ACGM Boston rebuilds and trades everyone (he also has them signing Malkin for some reason but we are just going to ignore that). Marchand and Crosby are super tight and I could see Marchand requesting to come here. I know he had a bit of a run in with Jarry last year but I think they could easily move on from that."

*Im going to have to disagree on your marchand point about worth vs value. If the bruins are going for a rebuild marchands worth is much more than his value
18 juin 2022 à 1 h 12
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I wrote a description, not sure why its not visible.

"This trade is inspired by l19f9 (https://www.capfriendly.com/users/l19f9). In his ACGM Boston rebuilds and trades everyone (he also has them signing Malkin for some reason but we are just going to ignore that). Marchand and Crosby are super tight and I could see Marchand requesting to come here. I know he had a bit of a run in with Jarry last year but I think they could easily move on from that."

*Im going to have to disagree on your marchand point about worth vs value. If the bruins are going for a rebuild marchands worth is much more than his value


Why?
18 juin 2022 à 1 h 20
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Why?


Because Marchand is a good player. Teams who want to compete want good players more than teams who are rebuilding. Teams who are rebuilding value picks and prospects more.

Take this example. If the penguins were going to trade Sidney Crosby which team would value him more, Colorado or Arizona? Colorado, as they are trying to compete right now, and Crosby would help them do that. On the other hand, Arizona is trying to collect draft picks and prospects to build towards competing in the future.

Not a hard concept
18 juin 2022 à 1 h 25
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Because Marchand is a good player. Teams who want to compete want good players more than teams who are rebuilding. Teams who are rebuilding value picks and prospects more.

Take this example. If the penguins were going to trade Sidney Crosby which team would value him more, Colorado or Arizona? Colorado, as they are trying to compete right now, and Crosby would help them do that. On the other hand, Arizona is trying to collect draft picks and prospects to build towards competing in the future.

Not a hard concept


No, i get that. And thanks for letting me know its not a hard concept.

But this isn’t a player with a year left, and this isn’t a team that doesn’t have any of the pieces need to bounce back quickly. They’ve got an elite D, which is probably the hardest piece to find. They’ve got a super high end number 2 d man, and a real good second pair. They’ve got the young goalie. Maybe they have the elite sniper in pasta. This isn’t a, “take what you can get,” situation like it would be if the Bruins were planning a retool and marchand’s deal was up after next year.
 
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