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Créé par: JhonnyCanuck5
Date de création initiale: 16 juin 2022
Publié: 16 juin 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Explications
Necas trade- not sure where his value is. I figure a 2nd and 4M in cap space is a good starting point?

Edler- Seems like a good fit on a team looking for stop gap LD. Could give him AAV and ice time.

Holbty- Any decent, short term backup.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Zadina, Filip21 500 000 $
Walman, Jake2825 000 $
Necas, Martin22 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Edler, Alexander13 500 000 $
Holtby, Braden22 500 000 $
Transactions
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DET
  1. Necas, Martin [Droits de RFA]
  2. Gardiner, Jake
  3. 2022 3e round pick (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
Been seeing a lot of Necas trades.
Gardiner is a cap dump.
Canes use extra cap space to make a run at a big FA
CAR
  1. 2022 2e round pick (WSH)
Rachats de contrats
  • Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
  • Frans Nielsen: 500 000 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $63 598 056 $0 $5 375 000 $18 901 944 $
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Bertuzzi, Tyler
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Larkin, Dylan
6 100 000 $
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UFA - 1
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Raymond, Lucas
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AD, AG
RFA - 2
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Vrána, Jakub
5 250 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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Suter, Pius
3 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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Zadina, Filip
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 3
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Rasmussen, Michael
1 460 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Necas, Martin
2 500 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 2
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Berggren, Jonatan
925 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
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Smith, Givani
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Veleno, Joseph
894 167 $
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Sundqvist, Oskar
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Erne, Adam
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Edler, Alexander
3 500 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 1
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Seider, Moritz
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Nedeljkovic, Alex
3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Walman, Jake
825 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Hronek, Filip
4 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Holtby, Braden
2 500 000 $
G
UFA
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Edvinsson, Simon
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
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Lindström, Gustav
850 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
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Gardiner, Jake
4 050 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
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Oesterle, Jordan
1 350 000 $
DG/DD
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Fabbri, Robby
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AG, C
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Assuming this is in response to the Necas trade: I don’t know what his value is. Saw a Canes post with Necas for a 2nd so I figured I’d add the cap dump.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Assuming this is in response to the Necas trade: I don’t know what his value is. Saw a Canes post with Necas for a 2nd so I figured I’d add the cap dump.


He's worth around a 1st+ imo. But i doubt the canes would just sell him off like that. They'd trade him for a major roster upgrade like a Fiala or someone similar.
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I dont think they use him to move Gardiner they can buy him out. Necas is hard to value, Id assume Carolina wants win now pieces more than futures which is about all we have.
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This is too low. Doubt Necas goes for a first or whatever futures he might be worth. Probably Necas plus to upgrade or canes just keep him.

There’s been other deals centered around Necas for guys like bertuzzi or garland but don’t think those work too well and are more lateral moves which again don’t make sense for canes at least
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Quoting: fullblowncaniac90
He's worth around a 1st+ imo. But i doubt the canes would just sell him off like that. They'd trade him for a major roster upgrade like a Fiala or someone similar.


Quoting: Jfstompers
I dont think they use him to move Gardiner they can buy him out. Necas is hard to value, Id assume Carolina wants win now pieces more than futures which is about all we have.


Quoting: vikhodush
This is too low. Doubt Necas goes for a first or whatever futures he might be worth. Probably Necas plus to upgrade or canes just keep him.

There’s been other deals centered around Necas for guys like bertuzzi or garland but don’t think those work too well and are more lateral moves which again don’t make sense for canes at least


I get that. The idea here would be this move is made with the knowledge that Carolina goes after or after they land one of the big FAs this year like Gaudreau or Forsberg. I’d consider Necas and a cap dump for a pick and Forsberg a win now move. Maybe it’s a trade made after FA opens and Carolina already has a deal in place?
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
I get that. The idea here would be this move is made with the knowledge that Carolina goes after or after they land one of the big FAs this year like Gaudreau or Forsberg. I’d consider Necas and a cap dump for a pick and Forsberg a win now move. Maybe it’s a trade made after FA opens and Carolina already has a deal in place?


I get what you’re saying to an extent but Necas is far from a cap dump, just wouldn’t use that terminology at all.
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I get what you’re saying to an extent but Necas is far from a cap dump, just wouldn’t use that terminology at all.


Necas isn’t the cap dump, Gardiner is the dump. Necas is the cost of dumping him with Detroit adding a pick to balance the values out.
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Necas is in the same boat as Zadina, in my opinion. Canes fans are going to want value based on his potential, not by how he's performed lately. Probably not an easy middle ground to reach here.
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Necas isn’t the cap dump, Gardiner is the dump. Necas is the cost of dumping him with Detroit adding a pick to balance the values out.


Ah my fault - misread that. Still Necas is way more valuable than what it costs to dump Gardiner even with the pick coming back. Gardiner will cost a 3/4 rounder at worst.
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Quoting: HypotheticalImpossibility
Necas is in the same boat as Zadina, in my opinion. Canes fans are going to want value based on his potential, not by how he's performed lately. Probably not an easy middle ground to reach here.


Eh not quite. Necas has a couple good seasons (one really good season) and one so so year. Zadina hasn’t ever done anything. Canes fans just don’t want to sell low after one so so year where he was still .5ish ppg player. Either package him in an upgrade move or keep him and look for a bounce back.
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Quoting: vikhodush
Eh not quite. Necas has a couple good seasons (one really good season) and one so so year. Zadina hasn’t ever done anything. Canes fans just don’t want to sell low after one so so year where he was still .5ish ppg player. Either package him in an upgrade move or keep him and look for a bounce back.


Not saying their value is similar, just the situation. Necas has been the better player for sure, but trade offers are probably going to be lowball because of perceived lack of development."
 
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