Nelson Varlamov Tatar

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Lehkonen, Artturi	4	4 000 000 $

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Nichushkin, Valeri	6	5 850 000 $
Manson, Josh	3	3 000 000 $
Määttä, Olli	1	2 000 000 $
Helm, Darren	1	850 000 $
Cogliano, Andrew	1	800 000 $
MacDonald, Jacob	2	800 000 $

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	82 477 500 $	25 000 $	3 562 500 $	22 500 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Landeskog, Gabriel 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 7	MacKinnon, Nathan 6 300 000 $6 300 000 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Nichushkin, Valeri 5 850 000 $5 850 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 8
Lehkonen, Artturi 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Nelson, Brock 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C UFA - 3
Tatar, Tomas 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Newhook, Alex 908 333 $908 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) C, AG RFA - 1
	Meyers, Ben 912 500 $912 500 $ (212 500 $$212K) AG, C UFA - 1	Compher, J.T. 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1
Sedlak, Lukas 800 000 $800 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1		O'Connor, Logan 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Toews, Devon 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Makar, Cale 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD UFA - 5	Varlamov, Semyon 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Byram, Bowen 894 167 $894 167 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) DG/DD RFA - 1	Johnson, Erik 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Francouz, Pavel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
	Manson, Josh 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DD UFA - 4
Määttä, Olli 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1

Avantage numérique 1
Nichushkin, V.	Landeskog, G.	Rantanen, M.
	MacKinnon, N.	Makar, C.

Avantage numérique 2
Lehkonen, A.	Nelson, B.	Newhook, A.
	Compher, J.	Byram, B.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Lehkonen, A.	Nichushkin, V.
	Toews, D.	Makar, C.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Compher, J.	O'Connor, L.
	Määttä, O.	Manson, J.

16 juin 2022 à 16 h 43

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i think the tatar trade is good, he's solid depth for cheap. I understand the islanders trade but i don't see us going back to varly, if sakic wanted him he would have kept him a couple years ago, now that he's three years older i don't see him trading to be back in the same goalie hole next year.

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16 juin 2022 à 16 h 48

#2

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the isles trade can work. fixes two problems

don't like tatar. to say he's not a playoff performer is an understatement. i think the avs can do better in free agency.

16 juin 2022 à 16 h 59

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Nelson > Burakovsky. And it doesn’t make sense to trade premium assets for his signing rights. They can just chase him when he actually hits the market and give nothing up but the cap space.

Girard would be a nice piece. I’d trade Beau straight up for him. Or Varlamov plus other stuff

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16 juin 2022 à 17 h 9

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I really don't think Girard will be traded. Also, Nelson is not a typical target for Colorado. They go after guys that are underutilized and show upside (e.g., Burakovsky, Kadri, Nichushkin, Lehkonen, etc.). Nelson is 30, shot 20% last season, and scored half his points on the PP. Good player, but he doesn't seem to he the typical target for the Avs FO.

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16 juin 2022 à 17 h 11

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Quoting: joshelkin

Nelson > Burakovsky. And it doesn’t make sense to trade premium assets for his signing rights. They can just chase him when he actually hits the market and give nothing up but the cap space.

Girard would be a nice piece. I’d trade Beau straight up for him. Or Varlamov plus other stuff

It’s an awful idea to trade Nelson for Girard. Colorado fan suggested it and one isles fan agreed so now it’s gonna be posted fifty times a day for a month.

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16 juin 2022 à 17 h 13

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Quoting: joshelkin

Nelson > Burakovsky. And it doesn’t make sense to trade premium assets for his signing rights. They can just chase him when he actually hits the market and give nothing up but the cap space.

Girard would be a nice piece. I’d trade Beau straight up for him. Or Varlamov plus other stuff

Nelson - Burakovsky is a weird comparison to make here. UFA signing rights are only worth a late pick so obviously Nelson is way more valuable. Girard is the main piece going to NYI which is what Nelson is getting in return

Beauvillier isnt enough for Girard in a 1 for 1, and 1 year of Varlamov isnt valuable enough to be the main piece

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16 juin 2022 à 18 h 22

#7

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Isles aren't moving Nelson.

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16 juin 2022 à 18 h 31

#8

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If COL is making a trade like that for Nelson they are basically declaring they don’t think Newhook is ever going to be a 2C. Moving MORE assets for another temporary goalie solution is beyond bad. COL is going to be a destination spot, especially for guys looking to win but still have stuff in the tank. Imo you give 2C to Newhook and if he handles it win win, if not you can acquire a rental at TDL.

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17 juin 2022 à 3 h 37

#9

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Quoting: Isles5513

It’s an awful idea to trade Nelson for Girard. Colorado fan suggested it and one isles fan agreed so now it’s gonna be posted fifty times a day for a month.

Awful for both teams.

17 juin 2022 à 10 h 1

#10

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Awful for both teams.

It’s more likely the Avs trade Girard along with Erik johnson to clear the cap space necessary to sign Kadri. That being said Nelson is the better player. IK his shooting percentage is high, but he’s always been a good finisher and it must’ve helped that he got all that PP time with Barzy.

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17 juin 2022 à 10 h 3

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Quoting: Isles5513

It’s more likely the Avs trade Girard along with Erik johnson to clear the cap space necessary to sign Kadri. That being said Nelson is the better player. IK his shooting percentage is high, but he’s always been a good finisher and it must’ve helped that he got all that PP time with Barzy.

Much as a lot of ppl are saying it won't happen I can see Girard being traded. I think EJ is here to stay though and his cap has always been banked on for when MacK's contract comes up next year.

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17 juin 2022 à 10 h 7

#12

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Much as a lot of ppl are saying it won't happen I can see Girard being traded. I think EJ is here to stay though and his cap has always been banked on for when MacK's contract comes up next year.

I could see Giard being dealt for a true #1 goalie. John Gibson for instance.

17 juin 2022 à 10 h 12

#13

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Quoting: Isles5513

I could see Giard being dealt for a true #1 goalie. John Gibson for instance.

Possible but I see them sticking with DK after what they gave up to get him. Unless he prices himself totally out of it of course. JS has shown a great reluctance to pay goalies. I could actually see Girard being dealt to get some picks back tbh. We're very light on prospects and picks now and can't go on trading them forever. Working on a bit of a crazy one myself right now but after the shellacking I got on the last one I'm not even sure whether to try LMAO.

17 juin 2022 à 10 h 14

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Possible but I see them sticking with DK after what they gave up to get him. Unless he prices himself totally out of it of course. JS has shown a great reluctance to pay goalies. I could actually see Girard being dealt to get some picks back tbh. We're very light on prospects and picks now and can't go on trading them forever. Working on a bit of a crazy one myself right now but after the shellacking I got on the last one I'm not even sure whether to try LMAO.

Last off season I would’ve told you someone like Ottawa might’ve been willing to move their first for him. After the injury I’m not sure what he value would be.

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17 juin 2022 à 10 h 16

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Possible but I see them sticking with DK after what they gave up to get him. Unless he prices himself totally out of it of course. JS has shown a great reluctance to pay goalies. I could actually see Girard being dealt to get some picks back tbh. We're very light on prospects and picks now and can't go on trading them forever. Working on a bit of a crazy one myself right now but after the shellacking I got on the last one I'm not even sure whether to try LMAO.

Combined those two make 11 million a year. If u could move them in a package for Gibson I would consider it. If you could get Anaheim to retain salary on Henrique the way LAK did with Jeff Carter even better.

17 juin 2022 à 10 h 19

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Possible but I see them sticking with DK after what they gave up to get him. Unless he prices himself totally out of it of course. JS has shown a great reluctance to pay goalies. I could actually see Girard being dealt to get some picks back tbh. We're very light on prospects and picks now and can't go on trading them forever. Working on a bit of a crazy one myself right now but after the shellacking I got on the last one I'm not even sure whether to try LMAO.

Maybe Sakic could get Nashville to move Lauzon and Fabbro for Girard and Johnson. Idk. I’m spit balling here too.

17 juin 2022 à 10 h 22

#17

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Quoting: Isles5513

Last off season I would’ve told you someone like Ottawa might’ve been willing to move their first for him. After the injury I’m not sure what he value would be.

I don't see the injury being a major issue, bit of a freak one, just bad luck. He isn't particularly injury prone or anything so it shouldn't really affect much. A good showing in the play offs would have added to his value though. He's always been somewhat polarising opinion-wise. Bearing in mind he's statistically the same as Jacob Chicken-run and everyone seems to want to give up tonnes for him, it seems to be more just his size puts ppl off.

17 juin 2022 à 10 h 24

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Quoting: TJTwolf

I don't see the injury being a major issue, bit of a freak one, just bad luck. He isn't particularly injury prone or anything so it shouldn't really affect much. A good showing in the play offs would have added to his value though. He's always been somewhat polarising opinion-wise. Bearing in mind he's statistically the same as Jacob Chicken-run and everyone seems to want to give up tonnes for him, it seems to be more just his size puts ppl off.

Chicken run is the new OEL. Give it a few years and everyone will realize that… except for the Canucks fans saying his contract isn’t bad it’s inefficient!!! 😂😂😂

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17 juin 2022 à 10 h 30

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Quoting: joshelkin

Nelson > Burakovsky. And it doesn’t make sense to trade premium assets for his signing rights. They can just chase him when he actually hits the market and give nothing up but the cap space.

Girard would be a nice piece. I’d trade Beau straight up for him. Or Varlamov plus other stuff

Trade is centered on Nelson for Girard - getting Burakovsky's signing rights is just a bonus in the deal.

If Burakovsky signs for $6M AAV (more or less his expected contract) the deal winds up cap neutral for both teams with the Isles sending Nelson & Varlamov to Colorado and getting back Burakovsky, Girard, Maitsev & a 3rd. It definitely is giving up a big piece but getting back a 24 y/o LD2 with term is a nice return for a guy that you're selling at the peak of his value. With Raty being in North America and looking like he's a possibility to slide into the lineup this year, I think it's an interesting gamble to take. At the very least, it's an avenue to explore that *doesn't* wind up with trading more picks & prospects to fix the holes in the lineup.

17 juin 2022 à 10 h 32

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

Trade is centered on Nelson for Girard - getting Burakovsky's signing rights is just a bonus in the deal.

If Burakovsky signs for $6M AAV (more or less his expected contract) the deal winds up cap neutral for both teams with the Isles sending Nelson & Varlamov to Colorado and getting back Burakovsky, Girard, Maitsev & a 3rd. It definitely is giving up a big piece but getting back a 24 y/o LD2 with term is a nice return for a guy that you're selling at the peak of his value. With Raty being in North America and looking like he's a possibility to slide into the lineup this year, I think it's an interesting gamble to take. At the very least, it's an avenue to explore that *doesn't* wind up with trading more picks & prospects to fix the holes in the lineup.

Nelson is better than Burakovsky and you could argue having two good tendy’s is more important to the isles than getting Girard.

17 juin 2022 à 11 h 9

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Quoting: Isles5513

Nelson is better than Burakovsky and you could argue having two good tendy’s is more important to the isles than getting Girard.

I'd argue that Burakovsky is at least equal to, if not better, than any winger currently on the roster and LD2 was one of the biggest black holes in the lineup last year. Trading from a position of strength (the Isles deepest organizational position is clearly center) to fix your weak spots is smart trading. Selling a player at his peak value, before he regresses, is also smart trading - while I truly believe Nelson is a fine player, it would be foolish to think he's all of a sudden a 35 goal guy at 30 years old. His shooting percentage was more than 8 points higher than his career number entering this year. If Sakic wants to roll the dice on him maintaining that production Colorado, I'm more than happy to let him.

As far as Varlamov, there are UFA goalies this summer that I would have no problem trusting for the 25ish games Sorokin doesn't start - Eric Comrie, Scott Wedgewood, Braden Holtby, and Casey DeSmith are all dudes that should sign in the $2M range and put up similar numbers to what Varlamov did last year. I agree that having a solid backup tender is important, but if other teams are going to view Varly as starting-caliber (which I agree he is) then, again, it makes sense to trade from a position of strength to help upgrade your weaker areas.

17 juin 2022 à 12 h 39

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

I'd argue that Burakovsky is at least equal to, if not better, than any winger currently on the roster and LD2 was one of the biggest black holes in the lineup last year. Trading from a position of strength (the Isles deepest organizational position is clearly center) to fix your weak spots is smart trading. Selling a player at his peak value, before he regresses, is also smart trading - while I truly believe Nelson is a fine player, it would be foolish to think he's all of a sudden a 35 goal guy at 30 years old. His shooting percentage was more than 8 points higher than his career number entering this year. If Sakic wants to roll the dice on him maintaining that production Colorado, I'm more than happy to let him.

As far as Varlamov, there are UFA goalies this summer that I would have no problem trusting for the 25ish games Sorokin doesn't start - Eric Comrie, Scott Wedgewood, Braden Holtby, and Casey DeSmith are all dudes that should sign in the $2M range and put up similar numbers to what Varlamov did last year. I agree that having a solid backup tender is important, but if other teams are going to view Varly as starting-caliber (which I agree he is) then, again, it makes sense to trade from a position of strength to help upgrade your weaker areas.

Burakovsky is very similar to Beauvillier. Let’s see what Beau can do without trotz before overpaying Burakovsky

17 juin 2022 à 12 h 40

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

I'd argue that Burakovsky is at least equal to, if not better, than any winger currently on the roster and LD2 was one of the biggest black holes in the lineup last year. Trading from a position of strength (the Isles deepest organizational position is clearly center) to fix your weak spots is smart trading. Selling a player at his peak value, before he regresses, is also smart trading - while I truly believe Nelson is a fine player, it would be foolish to think he's all of a sudden a 35 goal guy at 30 years old. His shooting percentage was more than 8 points higher than his career number entering this year. If Sakic wants to roll the dice on him maintaining that production Colorado, I'm more than happy to let him.

As far as Varlamov, there are UFA goalies this summer that I would have no problem trusting for the 25ish games Sorokin doesn't start - Eric Comrie, Scott Wedgewood, Braden Holtby, and Casey DeSmith are all dudes that should sign in the $2M range and put up similar numbers to what Varlamov did last year. I agree that having a solid backup tender is important, but if other teams are going to view Varly as starting-caliber (which I agree he is) then, again, it makes sense to trade from a position of strength to help upgrade your weaker areas.

The issue with trading Nelson is two fold. First Isles probably don’t have an NHL ready replacement. Secondly ur trading him for Samuel Girard who isn’t that good. Third ur going out and overpaying for Andre Burakovsky.

17 juin 2022 à 13 h 1

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

I'd argue that Burakovsky is at least equal to, if not better, than any winger currently on the roster and LD2 was one of the biggest black holes in the lineup last year. Trading from a position of strength (the Isles deepest organizational position is clearly center) to fix your weak spots is smart trading. Selling a player at his peak value, before he regresses, is also smart trading - while I truly believe Nelson is a fine player, it would be foolish to think he's all of a sudden a 35 goal guy at 30 years old. His shooting percentage was more than 8 points higher than his career number entering this year. If Sakic wants to roll the dice on him maintaining that production Colorado, I'm more than happy to let him.

As far as Varlamov, there are UFA goalies this summer that I would have no problem trusting for the 25ish games Sorokin doesn't start - Eric Comrie, Scott Wedgewood, Braden Holtby, and Casey DeSmith are all dudes that should sign in the $2M range and put up similar numbers to what Varlamov did last year. I agree that having a solid backup tender is important, but if other teams are going to view Varly as starting-caliber (which I agree he is) then, again, it makes sense to trade from a position of strength to help upgrade your weaker areas.

Burakovsky even strength scoring is better than I thought. My only concern is if he replicates that on a lower scoring team in NY.

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