yes, yes it was

I’d rather just do C. Brown for a 1st straight up. Although I think we can get a better 1st than 29oa tbh (I’m thinking Washington at 20 or Pittsburgh at 21 maybe). If we trade C. Brown I’d like it to be with a target in mind (like Chesley or Miroshnichenko). And I want no part of Kassian, he’s worse than Watson at the same role (plus retaining half on Murray means the cap hit is higher, and I would literally rather have Murray in the AHL than Kassian on the roster blocking a roster spot).

Yeah I’d love a pick around 20 to get Chesley, Miro, McGroarty , Howard, Bichsel , Ohgren or Ostlund

Anyone got any insights on Kasper? Seems like there’s rumours Gauthier and Kasper are going above Kemell and Savoie .

Gusev actually had one really decent season.
Very surprised with the way he just fell off for that 2nd year.

Gusev just stopped trying defensively and was all around lazy.
Great KHL player but doesn't have the two-way game needed for a successful NHL player

Montreal could probably get good returns for Petry and Anderson if they retained 3 mill and 2 mill respectively . At those salaries , tough to take those 2 players longterm .

3.25 for petry isnt bad, 3.5 for anderson same thing
however problem with retaining for that long is its 5M in dead cap for three years, then petry comes off the books

Goalie roster spots are A LOT more valuable the more forwards ones

After a 10 goal year and him being a rental I don't see anyone spending a first for Brown. Maybe a 2nd if there's retention in place.

He pretty much goes under the same niche as Kerfoot now, and neither of them is worth a 1st round pick.

I don’t think doing anything but tanking next few years is a good idea. So try to build a good team within 2-3 years while the horrible contracts run out and other guys are gone and figure out who u wanna keep. Hoffman, Drouin, Armia, Byron , etc should not come back. Price retires too that’s a lot of money

Everywhere Trotz has coached he has had a huge influence on the roster. Poille used to draft and sign guys in free agency that were “Trotz guys” , on the isles be was allowed to choose which one of Leddy/Toews he’d rather have on the team.

But how comfortable is Chevy/Chipman willing to give Trotz control of the roster? Hamilton believes the roster would look significantly different if Trotz becomes HC and the draft will end up being a very interesting day. He thinks this is prob what the hold up is on TN’s end. 3/

— Spinorama 🔄 Hockey (@spinohockey) June 20, 2022

I have very little input regarding your choice of draft pick but I wouldn't expect any team to be thrilled about taking on the combination of Brown and Murray at varying retentions without some sort of salary cap going the other way. There isn't enough mobility in the cap over the next 3 seasons to suggest that teams won't do their damnedest to make cap-equivalent moves.

I don’t think that’s really a knock on Brown tbh, he still put up the same level of offensive production, he just shifted from shooter to playmaker this year because of linemates (last year he was most commonly with Tierney, whose shot is pathetic, so he had to do all the shooting and was scoring at a 30 goal pace, this year he was with Stutzle, and there was also the break out of guys like Norris/Formenton as goal scorers, so he didn’t need to be the triggerman). He can still put up 20 goals if he needs to, and will find a way to get to 50 points (with PP2 time) regardless. He’s also a top PKer, as well as tops in forward ice time for the Sens (over 20 mins a night) because he plays all situations, generally taking all the hardest matchups (him+Tierney last year, him+Paul this year generally were relied on as the shutdown duo up front). I think he’s a decent step up from Kerfoot at a similar role (Brown plays more PK time and is trusted with more total time against tougher competition [Kerfoot was 8th among Leafs forwards in ATOI, nearly 5 mins less per game than Brown], similar offensive production but Brown has the better shot). Half-retained he should be able to get a 1st, an excellent 3rd line shutdown guy who regularly scores 20 goals who can comfortably fill in a top 6 role in case of injuries for 1.8mil is pretty valuable (see: Coleman).

Coleman's value came from the fact he had two years of term.

Kerfoot is that low on ATOI because Leafs is so top heavy team. Brown is one of Ottawa's top assets, but same can't be said about Kerfoot and Toronto. Both players would end up playing in depth roles in actual contenders.

I can see Brown half retained getting a similar to deal to what for instance Copp got (maybe little less than that given Copp can play C), but a straight first...nah. There's too many iffy explanations there, I don't see a GM being like yeah he's worth a ton he just got hindered by the fact that he had to play with f*cking Tierney. If anything that should be on OTT coaching staff, which is not exactly great in my opinion.

We can definitely get a good Anderson/Petry return without retaining, would they be worth it probably no, but if we move Petry/Anderson, it’s for good value, no point in moving them otherwise

I mean if both are going then there will obviously be some cap coming back. But I’m not really concerned with our cap situation for the next couple years, so I’d rather ride out Murray’s contract by demoting him (which Sens management has shown they’re willing to do), which is fine because Gustavsson’s still cheap for now. He’d be more useful as a mentor for Sogaard than Kassian would as an NHLer for us for the same cap hit (might save some actual dollars, haven’t checked, but you’ll never catch me caring about billionaire corporations handing out a few extra mil). Plus it nerfs C. Brown’s trade value, he’s the ideal Swiss army knife player that coaches love, and at 1.8mil I think he’s got incredible value (I reckon that’s probably ~3mil below market value if he was a UFA, a step below Hyman but similar to Coleman seems like the right market value). He’s also our final expendable trade asset with high value so I’d prefer to maximize that (at this point in Ottawa’s rebuild I’d value a single top 20 pick as better than 3 or 4 2nds because what we’re missing is another 2 big pieces, a top 6 winger and top 4 RD, not depth, we’ve got plenty of that coming), rather than saddling Murray to him.

You’re not getting more than the value of a 2nd without retention for either

Remember Oilers fans: we won the Justin Schultz sweepstakes and nobody can take that away from us

— Ken Holland (@FakeOilersGM) June 20, 2022

this made me laugh

I’d take a 2nd for Petry no retention, for Anderson though, he’s the type I’d see a GM overpay for and end up paying a 1st (+ maybe )

You’d def have to take a Kassian back to make a deal work.

If anyones interested I updated my website so it now has a revamped WAR visualization and a brand new 5v5 xG impact visualization for every NHL player. Its intended as a completely free to use alternative to JFresh or Evolving Wild subscriptions (but with way less features tbh)

I found a dataset for prospect projections and NHLe so I might add another page for that if I have time before the draft

I also renamed the website since last time I posted: https://upsidedownhockey.herokuapp.com/

Here's an example of DeBrincat's WAR visualization:



and an example of Fiala's xG Impact visualization:



@Richard88 I think you liked these last time they were posted but I dont think you use the forums here so I thought Id tag you

You guys can have pick 25 for CBrown.

I’d take that

I think it’s fair for both teams. Though I’d think there would be a couple more pieces in the deal.