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Équipe: 2022-23 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 14 juin 2022
Publié: 14 juin 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  2. Strome, Dylan [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
CHI
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Ryan, Derek
  3. Savoie, Carter
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
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AG, AD
UFA - 1
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NMC
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3 300 000 $3 300 000 $
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RFA - 2
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
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8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AG, C
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UFA - 7
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UFA - 1
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C
UFA - 1
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UFA - 1
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DG
NMC
UFA - 8
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DD
UFA - 3
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G
UFA - 5
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DG/DD
UFA - 4
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DD
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G
UFA - 1
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DG
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14 juin 2022 à 18 h 30
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Not enough for DeBrincat and Edmonton already had Ryan Strome so I’m not sure why you are that eager to get Dylan even if he is better lol. Also if you want to trade Foegele you send him to Seattle since Ron Francis is basically his dad 😂
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14 juin 2022 à 18 h 31
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Blackhawks counter with Tyler Johnson and a 2nd for Draisaitl
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14 juin 2022 à 18 h 31
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Thats a nice fantasy land your living in... Holloway and another First would have to be added to that Debrincat/Stome deal.
And why are the Oilers resigning Russell let alone giving him more then league minimum?? Ditto for Brassard. Move on from those guys.
14 juin 2022 à 18 h 32
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14 juin 2022 à 18 h 33
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DeBrincat starts with Holloway a 1st and Broberg at minimum.
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14 juin 2022 à 18 h 37
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DeBrincat starts with Holloway a 1st and Broberg at minimum.


while i dont agree with the trade above.

your trade suggestion is equally radicicolous. essentially 3 1st for Debrincat.... he is a good but he is not that good sorry.
14 juin 2022 à 18 h 39
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while i dont agree with the trade above.

your trade suggestion is equally radicicolous. essentially 3 1st for Debrincat.... he is a good but he is not that good sorry.


You don't think a 24 year old 40 goal scorer under team control who plays in all situations worth giving up some futures to win while McDavid and Drai are there?
14 juin 2022 à 18 h 40
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while i dont agree with the trade above.

your trade suggestion is equally radicicolous. essentially 3 1st for Debrincat.... he is a good but he is not that good sorry.


He just came off a 41 goal 37 assists 78 point season, Still has 2 years left to UFA, What do you think players like that cost?
14 juin 2022 à 18 h 41
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You don't think a 24 year old 40 goal scorer under team control who plays in all situations worth giving up some futures to win while McDavid and Drai are there?


yes some futures but please tell me the last player who was traded for 3 1st round picks
14 juin 2022 à 18 h 47
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yes some futures but please tell me the last player who was traded for 3 1st round picks


a banged up Jack Eichel this past season.
14 juin 2022 à 18 h 48
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He just came off a 41 goal 37 assists 78 point season, Still has 2 years left to UFA, What do you think players like that cost?


not 3 1st rounders please send me that last trade that included that?

yes he has 2 years left till UFA but also has a 9 million dollar QO coming next season.... have to ask your self if hes 24 just came off that season still under club control why are they trading him....

anyways I see a team giving up a 1st a 3rd a roster player every day roster player and a prospect like broberg.
so from edmonton you are probably looking at 1st 3rd barrie and broberg ( barrie you probably flip agian for a 2nd)
14 juin 2022 à 18 h 48
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a banged up Jack Eichel this past season.


yes eichel and debrincat are = players?
14 juin 2022 à 18 h 51
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yes eichel and debrincat are = players?


No, Cat would be worth more in this case.

Healthy, not publicly pursuing a move away from the franchise and team control on his contract and cap situation.
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14 juin 2022 à 18 h 59
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No, Cat would be worth more in this case.

Healthy, not publicly pursuing a move away from the franchise and team control on his contract and cap situation.


man you must have no clue about hockey.....
Healthy is your only valid argument.

Team control eichel still has 4 more years of team control Debrincate technically 2
contract 10 mill for eichel set debrincat discount this year but has a 9 M QO plus playing with mcdavid or dri that number will probably go up. so not really any bargin there...
not sure what publically moving away from franchise has anything to do with this?

Eichel over the last 3 years not only passes the eye test as a better player than DeBrincat his advanced stat also support that being much better than DeBrincat
eichel did this with less talented players than DeBrincat on annual basis
oh eichel also plays center which increases his value so all in all you have your health argument but if you think DeBrincat is worth more than eichel i suggest you take of your CHI glasses and watch other teams from time to time
14 juin 2022 à 19 h 30
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man you must have no clue about hockey.....
Healthy is your only valid argument.

Team control eichel still has 4 more years of team control Debrincate technically 2
contract 10 mill for eichel set debrincat discount this year but has a 9 M QO plus playing with mcdavid or dri that number will probably go up. so not really any bargin there...
not sure what publically moving away from franchise has anything to do with this?

Eichel over the last 3 years not only passes the eye test as a better player than DeBrincat his advanced stat also support that being much better than DeBrincat
eichel did this with less talented players than DeBrincat on annual basis
oh eichel also plays center which increases his value so all in all you have your health argument but if you think DeBrincat is worth more than eichel i suggest you take of your CHI glasses and watch other teams from time to time


So you don't think a disgruntled player who publicly demands a trade has any impact either?

If a team is only qualifying CAT for his 1 year, they aren't the team that would be trading him. If it gets to extending discussions and a team doesn't give him a proper deal its on them, they are in the driving seat and have 2 years at worst to negotiate with all likelihood that it will happen this year.

The argument about eye test and stats can be debated back and fourth but the hinderance of health and publicly demanding trades loses a heck of a lot of leverage for any selling team and the buying teams know it.

In CAT's case there is no public demand and there are no health issues so you may think I have no clue about hockey but I understand basic business principles quite well and have handled many complex negotiations across a wide range of business.
14 juin 2022 à 20 h 4
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15 juin 2022 à 12 h 11
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So you don't think a disgruntled player who publicly demands a trade has any impact either?

If a team is only qualifying CAT for his 1 year, they aren't the team that would be trading him. If it gets to extending discussions and a team doesn't give him a proper deal its on them, they are in the driving seat and have 2 years at worst to negotiate with all likelihood that it will happen this year.

The argument about eye test and stats can be debated back and fourth but the hinderance of health and publicly demanding trades loses a heck of a lot of leverage for any selling team and the buying teams know it.

In CAT's case there is no public demand and there are no health issues so you may think I have no clue about hockey but I understand basic business principles quite well and have handled many complex negotiations across a wide range of business.


If he was just an average player yes probably has an effect but when you are in the superstar territory no effect at all all 31 one teams would line up to see what it would take. This does not drop his value at all. it probably increases cuz every single team would want that player creating a bidding war which tends to increase not decrease value.

Yes im not saying its not in team control but to say its a bargin you have a bargin for 1 year until you pay 9+ mill 2nd RFA year really doesnt matter so has no value in the trade.

As for negotiations I actually train people how to negotiate and I can tell you when a hot commodity is made public it drives prices up not down.... most people try to keep talks quite and between two parties for that reason. If you have negotiated for many business you should know this as well if you dont I would suggest you are not doing your job well.
15 juin 2022 à 18 h 25
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If he was just an average player yes probably has an effect but when you are in the superstar territory no effect at all all 31 one teams would line up to see what it would take. This does not drop his value at all. it probably increases cuz every single team would want that player creating a bidding war which tends to increase not decrease value.

Yes im not saying its not in team control but to say its a bargin you have a bargin for 1 year until you pay 9+ mill 2nd RFA year really doesnt matter so has no value in the trade.

As for negotiations I actually train people how to negotiate and I can tell you when a hot commodity is made public it drives prices up not down.... most people try to keep talks quite and between two parties for that reason. If you have negotiated for many business you should know this as well if you dont I would suggest you are not doing your job well.


I think you've forgotten this guy has a neck issue which had a complete unknown outcome. People who have had the surgery have informed that it gets harder to play/live with time.

If you train people, you would understand that due diligence is a key component. If your going to sit there and suggest to me I'm not doing my job you'd want to ensure your doing yours.

so you don't think 9 years of a player is better than 4 years? Teams also had to fit the full cap of Eichel, Teams are getting a year to plan. Im sorry but there is far too much in CAT's value in comparison to Eichel. The debatable topic is the skill production but everything else in my humble opinion points to CAT having better value than a unhealthy disgruntled Eichel who BUF didn't want to pay 10m+ to sit on the sidelines.
15 juin 2022 à 18 h 42
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I think you've forgotten this guy has a neck issue which had a complete unknown outcome. People who have had the surgery have informed that it gets harder to play/live with time.

If you train people, you would understand that due diligence is a key component. If your going to sit there and suggest to me I'm not doing my job you'd want to ensure your doing yours.

so you don't think 9 years of a player is better than 4 years? Teams also had to fit the full cap of Eichel, Teams are getting a year to plan. Im sorry but there is far too much in CAT's value in comparison to Eichel. The debatable topic is the skill production but everything else in my humble opinion points to CAT having better value than a unhealthy disgruntled Eichel who BUF didn't want to pay 10m+ to sit on the sidelines.



The only debate was which surgery he was getting the out come was quite well known both with extremely positive results.... Here some information for you showing a very low risk in acquiring Eichel which also refute you harder to live and play with....... Every team who had interest had numerous conversation with him and doctors as well to show that it was
https://www.diebytheblade.com/2021/4/18/22388791/buffalo-sabres-jack-eichels-neck-surgery-recovery
https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/artificial-disk-replacement#:~:text=%E2%80%A2A%20surgery%20that%20replaces,%E2%80%A2Involves%20spine%20surgery%2C%20neurosurgery

So as shown teams did their due diligence knew he would be ok and proceeded. so yes I have done my job and looked at the facts. This in no way decreased Eichel's value once those conversations were had.
there is no guarantee of 9 years if you look at the facts and look at current RFAs they sign shorter term deals so they can try to cash in twice look at Matthews, Marner, tkachuk so there is no guarentee of 9 years and his cap hit could be higher than eichels since the cap will be higher than when eichel signed his.

you are delusional to think CAT's Value is more than Eichel. I believe you can start go do a trade for them 1 for 1 and see who side most people on this site will be I would wager eichel has more value.
More skilled, has done more with less talent around him, and plays center all of those make him much more valuable.
15 juin 2022 à 18 h 50
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The only debate was which surgery he was getting the out come was quite well known both with extremely positive results.... Here some information for you showing a very low risk in acquiring Eichel which also refute you harder to live and play with....... Every team who had interest had numerous conversation with him and doctors as well to show that it was
https://www.diebytheblade.com/2021/4/18/22388791/buffalo-sabres-jack-eichels-neck-surgery-recovery
https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/artificial-disk-replacement#:~:text=%E2%80%A2A%20surgery%20that%20replaces,%E2%80%A2Involves%20spine%20surgery%2C%20neurosurgery

So as shown teams did their due diligence knew he would be ok and proceeded. so yes I have done my job and looked at the facts. This in no way decreased Eichel's value once those conversations were had.
there is no guarantee of 9 years if you look at the facts and look at current RFAs they sign shorter term deals so they can try to cash in twice look at Matthews, Marner, tkachuk so there is no guarentee of 9 years and his cap hit could be higher than eichels since the cap will be higher than when eichel signed his.

you are delusional to think CAT's Value is more than Eichel. I believe you can start go do a trade for them 1 for 1 and see who side most people on this site will be I would wager eichel has more value.
More skilled, has done more with less talent around him, and plays center all of those make him much more valuable.


I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic, otherwise we will continue to go round in circles back and fourth.

Best of luck.
7 juill. 2022 à 16 h 33
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic, otherwise we will continue to go round in circles back and fourth.

Best of luck.


Like I said no where close to eichels value
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10 juill. 2022 à 19 h 18
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Like I said no where close to eichels value


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