Hawks decline unless you are adding a piece to take on Holl

Hawks decline. I'd say Add Clifford and a 4th to Hawks trade.

I think Topi may be the wrong prospect for ANA. They’re undersized at D as it is with their top young d prospects being Drysdale and Zellweger. Another guy under 6 foot at like 170lb doesn’t seem like the right fit. Liljegren would probably be ideal, but Robertson would be more likely from the TOR perspective

We think that John Gibson just announced that he doesn't want to be traded.

Oh come on

Holl has some value, it’s just in our situation he has to go

Maybe, just not for Chicago.