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Would a Brandon Hagel like package be accepted for Alex DeBrincat

Créé par: sensonfire
Équipe: 2022-23 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 14 juin 2022
Publié: 14 juin 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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If you don't think it's fair value for DeBrincat, let me know what else Ottawa needs to add to the trade.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
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Kemell, Joakim
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  1. DeBrincat, Alex
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (CHI)
  3. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (CHI)
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I thought Chicago fleeced Tampa in the trade for Hagel.


So, I'm wondering if the same trade would be fair value for Alex DeBrincat.


Because Raddysh and Katchouk are more valuable than Gambrell and Gaudette ...

and both Gambrell and Gaudette were claimed off waivers ...


I have two 7th round picks going to Ottawa instead of two 4th round picks.
CHI
  1. Gambrell, Dylan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Gaudette, Adam [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (OTT)
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The conditions on the 1st round picks are the same as in the trade for Brandon Hagel.


If one of the 1st round picks is in the Top 10, it would move to 2025.


If both of the 1st round picks are in the Top 10, they would move to 2025 and 2026 respectively.


https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/brandon-hagel
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14 juin 2022 à 10 h 30
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I think a similar package may work, but i'm not sure you'd get them to agree to have both top 10 protected.
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14 juin 2022 à 10 h 32
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I have a feeling the package would need to include Lodin, Ostapchuk, Lassi and a first

The sens are in a position to easily out bid anyone for this player, have cap to sign an extension, still have a decent off-season, and not fully dry out their prospect pool… to me, they make the most sense… could probably dump White and Zat in the deal as well.
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Change the waiver claim guys to actual prospects and Chicago thinks about it.

Hagel was a guy on a heater(21 goals on a 22.3 shooting percentage!) with a very affordable deal, which is why Tampa was fine giving up the package that includes two picks likely to be in the mid/late 20s.

Ottawa's 1sts probably have more value, sure, but the difference between Hagel (one good season so far) and DeBrincat (5 years in the league *averaging* 35 goals for every 82 GP) is much, much wider than the difference between Tampa & Ottawa's 1sts. Senators would need much more to try and make this happen.
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14 juin 2022 à 10 h 33
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I feel like they would need something more present in the trade as well. Imagine both picks slide, that would set their rebuild back even longer.. I think theyd look for a top prospect like a Shane Pinto + two 1sts in this scenario over 2 nothing roster guys.
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14 juin 2022 à 10 h 42
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I'm guessing it at least takes

2022 1st (7th Overall)
2023 1st (Top-3 Protected)
Shane Pinto
Lassi Thomson
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14 juin 2022 à 10 h 44
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Not close.
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14 juin 2022 à 10 h 50
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He's probably a good fit for OTT. I'm not sure how new ownership feels about money like Melnyk used to, but IF the Hawks are tanking like trading Debrincat would suggest...I think they take on Murray for you and ask for a mega package. If a team is going to tank...don't half A$$ it.
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14 juin 2022 à 11 h 2
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Chicago is looking for quality in a DeBrincat trade… something that is going to give us a good foundation to our rebuild. The Hagel trade was more about the quantity of assets coming back than anything else. Hypothetically could OTT beat NJD in a bidding war for DeBrincat… because I like the package of Holtz + 2nd overall way more than this one.
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No way hawks consider. Value is pretty low, they already had Gaudette, and he and Gambrell are both older than DeBrincat so they don't make sense for the rebuild.
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14 juin 2022 à 11 h 37
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Quoting: Kyle_Davidson
Chicago is looking for quality in a DeBrincat trade… something that is going to give us a good foundation to our rebuild. The Hagel trade was more about the quantity of assets coming back than anything else. Hypothetically could OTT beat NJD in a bidding war for DeBrincat… because I like the package of Holtz + 2nd overall way more than this one.


I don't see NJ offering Holtz and the 2OA, but the Devils also have the money he is going to want in an extension.

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I have a feeling the package would need to include Lodin, Ostapchuk, Lassi and a first

The sens are in a position to easily out bid anyone for this player, have cap to sign an extension, still have a decent off-season, and not fully dry out their prospect pool… to me, they make the most sense… could probably dump White and Zat in the deal as well.


This is the real question here. While the Sens have the parts to make the trade no problem. I would not include Pinto, but any combo. 2022 or 2023 1st. 2022 or 2023 2nds, Thompson, JDB, Lodin, Ostapchuk, maybe Greig.
But the question is what is it going to take to sign him long-term and can the Sens afford that and still sign the rest of the Core long terms with Norris, Stuztle, and Sanderson, and probably a different goalie to compete. Let's say just for doing the math I see Norris at 8 per, say Sanderson at 7, Stuzle could very well be more but let's say 8 again. Even if the numbers don't seem right they are ball park. After that, you have the following

Chabot, Sanderson, Norris, Brady, Batherson, and Stuzle are all costing a total of $45, which is already half the cap, If Debrinkcat takes $9-10 per to sign long-term (2 40-goal seasons at 24, he well has rights to enter any negotiation there) then your leaving only around $30 mill to try and get a full bottom 6, bottom 4 D and goalies in, your gonna start running into real cap issues like the leafs have now.

I would love to see the Sens pull it off and they have the assets to do it, I just don't want to see good players leave the team and prospects leaving because the Team mishandled the cap, and when this group is in their window can't get over the hump because of cap issues.

Lets also not forget this team can't even spend up to the cap right now! so until the ownership issues are figured out and they can cap spend then this really won't work.
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I don't see NJ offering Holtz and the 2OA, but the Devils also have the money he is going to want in an extension.



This is the real question here. While the Sens have the parts to make the trade no problem. I would not include Pinto, but any combo. 2022 or 2023 1st. 2022 or 2023 2nds, Thompson, JDB, Lodin, Ostapchuk, maybe Greig.
But the question is what is it going to take to sign him long-term and can the Sens afford that and still sign the rest of the Core long terms with Norris, Stuztle, and Sanderson, and probably a different goalie to compete. Let's say just for doing the math I see Norris at 8 per, say Sanderson at 7, Stuzle could very well be more but let's say 8 again. Even if the numbers don't seem right they are ball park. After that, you have the following

Chabot, Sanderson, Norris, Brady, Batherson, and Stuzle are all costing a total of $45, which is already half the cap, If Debrinkcat takes $9-10 per to sign long-term (2 40-goal seasons at 24, he well has rights to enter any negotiation there) then your leaving only around $30 mill to try and get a full bottom 6, bottom 4 D and goalies in, your gonna start running into real cap issues like the leafs have now.

I would love to see the Sens pull it off and they have the assets to do it, I just don't want to see good players leave the team and prospects leaving because the Team mishandled the cap, and when this group is in their window can't get over the hump because of cap issues.

Lets also not forget this team can't even spend up to the cap right now! so until the ownership issues are figured out and they can cap spend then this really won't work.


There’s going to be a bidding war for Cat, I mean how could there not be? I HOPE it ends up at Holtz +2nd overall, and I don’t see other teams beating that.
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