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what Id expect for a return on Gibson

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Équipe: 2022-23 Ducks d'Anaheim
Date de création initiale: 13 juin 2022
Publié: 13 juin 2022
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Goalies don't get traded for as much value as you would think...

General idea was going off of Keumper trade for a 1st + prospect
(yes there was a 3rd round pick in the trade but it was on a condition that colorado wins the cup)

Figured Anaheim would be willing/have to take some money back from a team so went for prospect + first + money player
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Doubt they do this based on how much they gave up for Keumper, this would more just be if Keumper walks
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General thought is either Samsonov + 2nd or Vanechek + 1st
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    13 juin 2022 à 15 h 15
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    This seems way more reasonable than some of the other threads I've seen like Nylander, Sandin, Hirvonen, Kerfoot, and a 2nd for Gibson+Comtois lol
    13 juin 2022 à 15 h 21
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    Caps give you samsonov + second in a heartbeat. I do think Gibson's reputation will raise the price a bit, but not by that much and all of these make much more sense than Gibson for four firsts or whatever else ducks fans have been posting
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    Quoting: qc14
    Caps give you samsonov + second in a heartbeat. I do think Gibson's reputation will raise the price a bit, but not by that much and all of these make much more sense than Gibson for four firsts or whatever else ducks fans have been posting


    I think it’ll be something like

    Samsonov
    Hagelin
    Protas
    2022 1st
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    13 juin 2022 à 15 h 23
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    Only way the Devils make that move is if that 1st rounder is lottery protected
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    13 juin 2022 à 15 h 24
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    The Edmonton one is close. Edmonton still needs to add a little bit but the rest are pretty far off
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    Minnesota declines. They aren't committing that money to a G , nor are they going to restrict Jesper wallstedt to take place in 1-2 year. Minnesota wouldn't show any interest
    13 juin 2022 à 15 h 25
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    Quoting: csick
    I think it’ll be something like

    Samsonov
    Hagelin
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    2022 1st


    Would be completely fine with that
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    The Edmonton one is close. Edmonton still needs to add a little bit but the rest are pretty far off


    Agreed. If the best offers are a late 1st, cap dump and decent prospect, I'd just keep him and use some of the draft capital/prospects/abundance of cap space to actually upgrade the team.
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    Would be completely fine with that


    I just don't know why Sammy would be involved, TBH. I get that Washington would have to move a goalie, but Stolarz/Dostal would immediately be the tandem in Anaheim.
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    Gibson is very hard to judge.

    He really hasn’t been spectacular for a few years now, but neither has the team in front of him.

    So is it worth the gamble?

    His contract also makes it super tough.
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    The Kuemper deal is a good comparable, but I think you're overlooking the fact that he was signed for only one year and Gibson is signed for 5. Anyone trading for Gibson has already made the decision that he's their starting goaltender for at least 4 of those 5 years. (Not that I'm saying that he's entitled to return four times what Kuemper brought; just that the cost will be considerably higher than just a late first and an A prospect.)
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    I just don't know why Sammy would be involved, TBH. I get that Washington would have to move a goalie, but Stolarz/Dostal would immediately be the tandem in Anaheim.


    Yea if they don't want him thats fine and the caps would just move him in a separate trade. I feel like the Ducks would see value in taking a flyer on Sammy rather than rely on just a career backup and a 21 yo who probably needs another year in the AHL next year. He definitely wouldn't be the centerpiece of any deal though
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    The Kuemper deal is a good comparable, but I think you're overlooking the fact that he was signed for only one year and Gibson is signed for 5. Anyone trading for Gibson has already made the decision that he's their starting goaltender for at least 4 of those 5 years. (Not that I'm saying that he's entitled to return four times what Kuemper brought; just that the cost will be considerably higher than just a late first and an A prospect.)


    i think the fact the he is signed four 5 years might lower his value more than raise it. long comitment for a goalie who has been subpar foe the last 3 years.
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    13 juin 2022 à 15 h 34
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    The Kuemper deal is a good comparable, but I think you're overlooking the fact that he was signed for only one year and Gibson is signed for 5. Anyone trading for Gibson has already made the decision that he's their starting goaltender for at least 4 of those 5 years. (Not that I'm saying that he's entitled to return four times what Kuemper brought; just that the cost will be considerably higher than just a late first and an A prospect.)


    Contract goes the other way too, should your really give up more assets for the privilege of playing a goalie with an injury history and a ton of games under his belt already 6.4 mil until he's 34?
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    Yea if they don't want him thats fine and the caps would just move him in a separate trade. I feel like the Ducks would see value in taking a flyer on Sammy rather than rely on just a career backup and a 21 yo who probably needs another year in the AHL next year. He definitely wouldn't be the centerpiece of any deal though


    From the Ducks end, I'd personally rather see a bit more quality than Sammy+Protas. I like Protas, but I don't really see where he fits long term with Anaheim, especially with the kids coming up. I get that it's a big ask, but I don't think you move Gibby just for the sake of moving him.
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Agreed. If the best offers are a late 1st, cap dump and decent prospect, I'd just keep him and use some of the draft capital/prospects/abundance of cap space to actually upgrade the team.


    I also think it’s very likely Anaheim gets back a second conditional pick based on Gibson’s performance next year or team performance. (Equate to same thing)
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    Quoting: drambui
    i think the fact the he is signed four 5 years might lower his value more than raise it. long comitment for a goalie who has been subpar foe the last 3 years.


    Quoting: qc14
    Contract goes the other way too, should your really give up more assets for the privilege of playing a goalie with an injury history and a ton of games under his belt already 6.4 mil until he's 34?


    34 is old for a defenseman, even older for a forward, but not for a goalie. Actual GMs have made the decision that it's sensible to sign goalies like Hellebuyck and Vassilevskiy until they're 34.
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    Why are the Oilers paying more than anyone else??
    13 juin 2022 à 15 h 42
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    Quoting: csick
    The Edmonton one is close. Edmonton still needs to add a little bit but the rest are pretty far off


    Can only really go off of history. And not many goalies have been traded for much more than a prospect and a 1st round pick. Personally I think Gibson is really good but he has had his up and downs through the past couple of years and has a big cap hit. So I personally think the return is going to be lower than people think
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    Quoting: Wildnochance
    Minnesota declines. They aren't committing that money to a G , nor are they going to restrict Jesper wallstedt to take place in 1-2 year. Minnesota wouldn't show any interest


    You have to be careful rushing goaltending prospects though, just ask Philly how Carter Hart is doing. Especially because even if Wallstedt is ready to go in 2 to 3 years, Minni is in a win now mode so would need a goalie to compete for those 3 years of transition
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    Agreed. If the best offers are a late 1st, cap dump and decent prospect, I'd just keep him and use some of the draft capital/prospects/abundance of cap space to actually upgrade the team.


    Quoting: Lenny7
    From the Ducks end, I'd personally rather see a bit more quality than Sammy+Protas. I like Protas, but I don't really see where he fits long term with Anaheim, especially with the kids coming up. I get that it's a big ask, but I don't think you move Gibby just for the sake of moving him.


    Trust me I absolutely hate the mindset that if you aren't going to make the conference final you should sell everyone over the age of 25, and that's completely fair. Also fair to want more quality than samsonov + protas, but I just don't know how much quality the caps have to give. I think McMichael is completely off limits for everyone not named DeBrincat, Pastrnak, or PLD, Fehervary too maybe Chychrun in addition. Does one of Lapierre/Iorio/Alexeyev and a first get it done? maybe, but I could easily see both Anaheim getting a better offer and the caps thinking that they should be getting someone better than gibson back if they are going to move both in the same deal.
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    Why are the Oilers paying more than anyone else??


    Cuz I'm an oilers fan and want them to get Gibson hahahaha. Bourgault is definitely the higher end of prospects i've used in these trades but their first round pick is very late in the first round
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    The Kuemper deal is a good comparable, but I think you're overlooking the fact that he was signed for only one year and Gibson is signed for 5. Anyone trading for Gibson has already made the decision that he's their starting goaltender for at least 4 of those 5 years. (Not that I'm saying that he's entitled to return four times what Kuemper brought; just that the cost will be considerably higher than just a late first and an A prospect.)


    Ya it is a very good point. Personally when i saw the Keumper return I thought he for sure would've come/agreed to a contract extension right away. So hard to say because Colorado was pretty desperate for a goalie at that point too
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    Quoting: qc14
    Trust me I absolutely hate the mindset that if you aren't going to make the conference final you should sell everyone over the age of 25, and that's completely fair. Also fair to want more quality than samsonov + protas, but I just don't know how much quality the caps have to give. I think McMichael is completely off limits for everyone not named DeBrincat, Pastrnak, or PLD, Fehervary too maybe Chychrun in addition. Does Lapierre/Iorio/Alexeyev and a first get it done? maybe, but I could easily see both Anaheim getting a better offer and the caps thinking that they should be getting someone better than gibson back if they are going to move both in the same deal.


    Yeah, it's hard to say with the Caps. I honestly think whatever team tries to acquire Gibby is doing so knowing that he's the number 1 guy for the next 4-5 years, and that it's not going to be cheap to do. Honestly, if I was Washington I'd be trying to upgrade my D first.
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    There's no shot Minnesota would trade a 1st for Gibson.
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