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Équipe: 2022-23 Ducks d'Anaheim
Date de création initiale: 12 juin 2022
Publié: 12 juin 2022
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12 juin 2022 à 1 h 32
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Can you show me 1 player who had 3 terrible seasons in a row, while having a big contract with lots of term remaining on it, and fetched a premium price like Gibson is fetching here?
12 juin 2022 à 2 h 10
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leafs accept
12 juin 2022 à 2 h 34
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Can you show me 1 player who had 3 terrible seasons in a row, while having a big contract with lots of term remaining on it, and fetched a premium price like Gibson is fetching here?


Seth Jones didn’t have the big contract with term left, he was given it but he was okay for 1 season than awful for the next 2
12 juin 2022 à 2 h 44
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Seth Jones didn’t have the big contract with term left, he was given it but he was okay for 1 season than awful for the next 2


Jones had 1 bad season, he was good enough to get Norris votes in each of the 4 previous to it including top 10 in 2 of them. Clearly not comparable to Gibson's performance these past years.
12 juin 2022 à 3 h 31
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Quoting: Byrr
Jones had 1 bad season, he was good enough to get Norris votes in each of the 4 previous to it including top 10 in 2 of them. Clearly not comparable to Gibson's performance these past years.


I agree with you that Gibson has been pretty bad, but I do think a GM is gonna be dumb enough to pay a lot for him probably not as much as OP but still like at least a first. Oh and Jones did not deserve these Norris votes he was a good but not great defenceman he just played a bunch of minutes and had skills some old hockey men likes.
12 juin 2022 à 4 h 8
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Jones had 1 bad season, he was good enough to get Norris votes in each of the 4 previous to it including top 10 in 2 of them. Clearly not comparable to Gibson's performance these past years.


Actually no he was about league average and then well below league average and then one of the worst players in the league the previous 3 season before his trade. We’re talking fancy stats right? Not league and media reputations? Because based off your assumption that this rather poor package for Gibson is a premium price that’s what I assumed.
12 juin 2022 à 5 h 0
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Actually no he was about league average and then well below league average and then one of the worst players in the league the previous 3 season before his trade. We’re talking fancy stats right? Not league and media reputations? Because based off your assumption that this rather poor package for Gibson is a premium price that’s what I assumed.


Reputations or fancy stats, it doesn't matter because Gibson has neither left. Let's say Jones got it based off reputation since that makes sense. What's left of Gibson's? He hasn't received any Vezina votes in those seasons from GMs. No GMs were interested when he was shopped by Anaheim last season. He was ranked 24th amongst starter goaltenders by the writers before last season and since then 4 of those goalies above him had a better season.

The fact you are trying to expand the parameters to fit in a comparable shows just how unprecedented a return this would be for a player. Is it really reasonable to expect Gibson to fetch an unprecedented amount after 3 bad seasons with a bad contract going forward? Of course not. That's the reality of the situation the Ducks are in with him and says a lot to what his true value should be.

You liked Jones, so think what you'd expect Jones' return would be if he had his last season before being traded 3 times in a row with his current contract attached to it. That's GIbson and you'd be arguing they should be paying to move him.
12 juin 2022 à 5 h 14
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No reason for Anaheim to dump Comtois, Grant or Gibson for those piss-poor returns. And no reason to give a roster spot to Kulak or Subban at those prices.
12 juin 2022 à 8 h 4
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Absolutely not to the Comtois trade and pass on the Palat Kulak and Subban signings
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12 juin 2022 à 8 h 31
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Regarding Gibson... there was a time when people like me were asking other people to look at SV% to evaluate goalies (instead of just the record and GAA, but now it seems that some people evaluate goalies too much with SV%

Of course it's not always easy to put "respectable numbers" on a rebuilding team

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Absolutely not to the Comtois trade and pass on the Palat Kulak and Subban signings


I was going to say that Comtois was not the type of player the Sens want/need to target but at that ridiculous price, why the hell not? Acquire then figure it all after, trade him back for more or trade another guy?
12 juin 2022 à 8 h 51
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Regarding Gibson... there was a time when people like me were asking other people to look at SV% to evaluate goalies (instead of just the record and GAA, but now it seems that some people evaluate goalies too much with SV%

Of course it's not always easy to put "respectable numbers" on a rebuilding team



I was going to say that Comtois was not the type of player the Sens want/need to target but at that ridiculous price, why the hell not? Acquire then figure it all after, trade him back for more or trade another guy?


How does the Comtois deal make any sense at all for Anaheim though?
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12 juin 2022 à 9 h 1
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How does the Comtois deal make any sense at all for Anaheim though?


It doesn't.

If the opposite fan say they don't need the player but would still make the deal, it's because there's something wrong lol

The logjam at forward will be crazy but I'd hope to get Comtois value up then trade him or another forward.
12 juin 2022 à 13 h 28
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Reputations or fancy stats, it doesn't matter because Gibson has neither left. Let's say Jones got it based off reputation since that makes sense. What's left of Gibson's? He hasn't received any Vezina votes in those seasons from GMs. No GMs were interested when he was shopped by Anaheim last season. He was ranked 24th amongst starter goaltenders by the writers before last season and since then 4 of those goalies above him had a better season.

The fact you are trying to expand the parameters to fit in a comparable shows just how unprecedented a return this would be for a player. Is it really reasonable to expect Gibson to fetch an unprecedented amount after 3 bad seasons with a bad contract going forward? Of course not. That's the reality of the situation the Ducks are in with him and says a lot to what his true value should be.

You liked Jones, so think what you'd expect Jones' return would be if he had his last season before being traded 3 times in a row with his current contract attached to it. That's GIbson and you'd be arguing they should be paying to move him.


This is why you can’t debate Leaf fans, they pull out their own “facts”. He was never shopped. Writer rankings don’t mean much and when it comes to goalies it varies so much year to year.

I did like the Jones trade, I hate the blackhawks and they over paid for him because of league wide reputation. It was lovely to see.
12 juin 2022 à 15 h 17
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Maybe if Toronto feels desperate but that’s a lot for Gibby
12 juin 2022 à 19 h 37
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This is why you can’t debate Leaf fans, they pull out their own “facts”. He was never shopped. Writer rankings don’t mean much and when it comes to goalies it varies so much year to year.

I did like the Jones trade, I hate the blackhawks and they over paid for him because of league wide reputation. It was lovely to see.


I can understand why Ducks fans don't like facts when it comes to Gibson because none of them support him having a trade return.
12 juin 2022 à 21 h 38
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I can understand why Ducks fans don't like facts when it comes to Gibson because none of them support him having a trade return.


You make up “facts” to try and support your case. He was never shopped.
12 juin 2022 à 21 h 46
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You make up “facts” to try and support your case. He was never shopped.


Not according to mainstream reporters.
12 juin 2022 à 22 h 10
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Not according to mainstream reporters.


You should try listening/reading better, TOR has long asked about Gibson but it never went anywhere because he wasn’t being shopped.
12 juin 2022 à 22 h 13
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You should try listening/reading better, TOR has long asked about Gibson but it never went anywhere because he wasn’t being shopped.


Has nothing to do with Toronto. It was reported that Ducks tried shopping him to all the teams who were in need of goaltenders. Edmonton, Washington, Toronto, etc. The facts remain, there is no reason Gibson would have value. It's so apparent, you haven't even tried making an argument for why he would.
13 juin 2022 à 14 h 1
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Has nothing to do with Toronto. It was reported that Ducks tried shopping him to all the teams who were in need of goaltenders. Edmonton, Washington, Toronto, etc. The facts remain, there is no reason Gibson would have value. It's so apparent, you haven't even tried making an argument for why he would.


Let me know when you decide to provide actual facts instead of made up fallacy. Gibson has never been shopped.
13 juin 2022 à 19 h 56
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Let me know when you decide to provide actual facts instead of made up fallacy. Gibson has never been shopped.









Don't worry, I'm sure GIbson came out of no where to tell the team that. He definitely hasn't been asked about being traded by the team first.
13 juin 2022 à 21 h 52
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Don't worry, I'm sure GIbson came out of no where to tell the team that. He definitely hasn't been asked about being traded by the team first.


It’s funny because he might be being shopped now but you claimed 31 teams didn’t want him when he was being shopped before, which never happened. This isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is. It only disproves your original point that no one wants him.
13 juin 2022 à 22 h 0
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It’s funny because he might be being shopped now but you claimed 31 teams didn’t want him when he was being shopped before, which never happened. This isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is. It only disproves your original point that no one wants him.


>post tweet of an american outlet saying he was available last season
>you somehow still think it didnt happen

Should I get a calendar to show you when March is? I mean I don't know where to go from here. At this point you are just being dense for the sake of it.
13 juin 2022 à 22 h 10
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>post tweet of an american outlet saying he was available last season
>you somehow still think it didnt happen

Should I get a calendar to show you when March is? I mean I don't know where to go from here. At this point you are just being dense for the sake of it.


Post tweets that said teams called because they were interested in acquiring Gibson. Do you even know what you are saying at this point? You claim no one wanted Gibson when he was being shopped and then post tweets that refute that point dramatically.

Let me help you out, “the ducks took calls” means teams inquired about Gibson which means teams are interested and that the ducks listened. The ducks listening doesn’t mean they were shopping Gibson. Rebuilding teams would be dumb not to listen whenever teams call about veteran players and that’s what happened.
 
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