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Just pondering

Créé par: justaBoss
Date de création initiale: 7 juin 2022
Publié: 7 juin 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Fiala, Kevin88 000 000 $
Romanov, Alexander22 250 000 $
Pitlick, Rem21 500 000 $
Primeau, Cayden1874 125 $
Montembeault, Samuel2762 500 $
Schueneman, Corey2762 500 $
Brook, Josh1750 000 $
Schnarr, Nathan1750 000 $
Teasdale, Joël1750 000 $
Pezzetta, Michael1750 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Wright, Shane3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Fiala, Kevin [Droits de RFA]
MIN
  1. Roy, Joshua
  2. Choix de 2023 ronde en 1e (FLA)
Détails additionnels:
If Reinhart cost FLA a first round pick alongside a late round pick who started blooming late (Levi), maybe Fiala can be acquired under the same precedent? I think Fiala would be a fantastic fit under St.Louis' offensive mindset.
2.
MTL
  1. Timmins, Conor
  2. Choix de 2023 ronde en 4e (ARI)
  3. Choix de 2024 ronde en 2e (MTL)
ARI
  1. Smilanic, Ty [Liste de réserve]
  2. Weber, Shea
  3. Choix de 2024 ronde en 2e (COL)
3.
MTL
  1. Groulx, Benoit-Olivier
  2. Choix de 2022 ronde en 2e (PIT)
ANA
  1. Drouin, Jonathan (1 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2022 ronde en 4e (NYR)
4.
MTL
  1. Choix de 2022 ronde en 5e (NJD)
BUF
  1. Hoffman, Mike
  2. Tuch, Luke [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 2024 ronde en 7e (EDM)
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 833 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Jonathan Drouin: 1 750 000 $ (31.82%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGE1E RONDE2E RONDE3E RONDE4E RONDE5E RONDE6E RONDE7E RONDE
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $82 394 999 $1 132 500 $1 570 000 $105 001 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Pitlick, Rem
1 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
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Suzuki, Nick
7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 8
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Caufield, Cole
880 833 $
AG
RFA - 1
Fiala, Kevin
8 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 7
Wright, Shane
925 000 $
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Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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Poehling, Ryan
750 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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Dvorak, Christian
4 450 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
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Gallagher, Brendan
6 500 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
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Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Evans, Jake
1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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Armia, Joel
3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Romanov, Alexander
2 250 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
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Petry, Jeff
6 250 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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Allen, Jake
2 875 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Barron, Justin
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Montembeault, Samuel
762 500 $
G
UFA - 2
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Harris, Jordan
842 500 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Savard, David
3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Ylönen, Jesse
880 833 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
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Wideman, Chris
762 500 $
DD
UFA - 2
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Pezzetta, Michael
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1

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8 juin 2022 à 1 h 5
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Quoting: justaBoss
Not like Reinhart or Buchnevich were far off from point per game seasons really. In worse teams too. Granted 2021 was cut short but regardless, Fiala's performance wasn't hugely better than those two.

I knew you couldn't do it. You realize you're a year behind on Fiala's value, right?
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8 juin 2022 à 1 h 12
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I knew you couldn't do it. You realize you're a year behind on Fiala's value, right?


I do. I also realize it's a situation that hasn't really happened before. We can only go from what we've seen in the past, or we need to think of something new. I chose the former on this post.

But since you seem to be the brightest guy around town, do tell me what will Fiala get in return.
8 juin 2022 à 1 h 28
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Quoting: justaBoss
I do. I also realize it's a situation that hasn't really happened before. We can only go from what we've seen in the past, or we need to think of something new. I chose the former on this post.

But since you seem to be the brightest guy around town, do tell me what will Fiala get in return.


More than he would have a year ago, when the Reinhart and Buchnevich trades would have be relevant.

If I were a betting person, I'd say something around 7th overall.
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8 juin 2022 à 2 h 19
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We shall see, They're going to have to move out some decent pieces, just to afford to resign some players. Hornqvist, Gudas possibly Montour are but 3 pieces i could see dealt. Maybe Zito even moves out Reinhart but doubtful. He needs to resign Jonathan Huberdeau next season and he will get the Aleksander Barkov deal.


Ok, i never brought up anything about that
All i said is that it isn’t pick 28, which it’s not
And that the proposed trade wouldn’t be enough to get him
8 juin 2022 à 2 h 23
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Ok, i never brought up anything about that
All i said is that it isn’t pick 28, which it’s not
And that the proposed trade wouldn’t be enough to get him


It wont be enough to get him, And that's a fact. because teams will throw better 1st round picks down likely 2022 and potentially better prospects as well.
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8 juin 2022 à 2 h 23
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Going to give fans a heart attack by simply mentioning Joshua Roy in a trade offer. I've never seen a prospect taken in the 5th round so beloved since Brendan Gallagher
8 juin 2022 à 2 h 25
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
More than he would have a year ago, when the Reinhart and Buchnevich trades would have be relevant.

If I were a betting person, I'd say something around 7th overall.


Have you seen Joshua Roy's stats?
8 juin 2022 à 2 h 25
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
It wont be enough to get him, And that's a fact. because teams will throw better 1st round picks down likely 2022 and potentially better prospects as well.


No, that’s not a “fact”
That’s your “opinion”
Which i agree with, but it’s still not a “fact”

Words matter
Correcting you is getting tiresome
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8 juin 2022 à 2 h 29
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Quoting: Buffalove
No, that’s not a “fact”
That’s your “opinion”
Which i agree with, but it’s still not a “fact”

Words matter
Correcting you is getting tiresome


If Yzerman were to offer Zadina and the #8 pick for Kevin Fiala, you honestly think this Montreal trade beats that. get real. When all is said and done Bill Guerin will get a decent haul for Fiala or he doesn't move him but other players like Dumba.
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8 juin 2022 à 2 h 32
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If Yzerman were to offer Zadina and the #8 pick for Kevin Fiala, you honestly think this Montreal trade beats that. get real.


No, i don’t think that, and I NEVER SAID THAT

Neither of us KNOW what different teams will offer for Fiala

Also, as I’ve said MULTIPLE TIMES now,
I agree with you that the trade proposed in this ACGM will
NOT BE ENOUGH to get Fiala

Do u have a problem with reading?
I’ve been agreeing with you the WHOLE TIME ffs
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8 juin 2022 à 3 h 57
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I love beating a dead horse, but Wild decline. A late pick in 2023 is not exactly appealing, and neither is a late-blooming prospect that could very much be a flash in the pan. I understand the logic here, following the Reinhart-model, but Fiala has out-performed Reinhart (at the time of the trade) by a mile. Minnesota can get far better offers.
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8 juin 2022 à 4 h 14
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I can't see Anaheim having any interest at all in an expensive (even with the retention) rental who hasn't been that impressive over the past couple of seasons. You could switch the picks and I think Anaheim would still decline that offer, unless it was specifically Montreal's own 2022 second (i.e., the equivalent of a first).
8 juin 2022 à 7 h 47
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People also seem to be forgetting Dorian has been personally scouting Fiala all year. 7OA and a prospect is likely what other teams need to beat. Sounds like 6 or so teams want Fiala but none of their fans want to give up anything for him lol. It will “hurt” to trade for Fiala. Billy might look at Reinhart and Buch deals and show the league they weren’t enough. I think if more teams could redo those situations, they’d go harder at both players. I don’t recall there being a big bidding war for either Buch or Reinhart, they were both considered kind of underachievers no? Billy has yet to be ripped off in a trade, I don’t expect that to happen now. McBain situation Should have been a loss, he had zero leverage there, and somehow got a 2nd round pick out of it.
8 juin 2022 à 8 h 49
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I see absolutely no reason for the Ducks to give up a 2nd + for Drouin in any world
8 juin 2022 à 12 h 5
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
Have you seen Joshua Roy's stats?


Cause stats in the Q are such a great indicator for future success laugh

Khovanov had a higher point per game in the Q recently and it will be a miracle if he plays in the NHL.
8 juin 2022 à 12 h 18
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Different angle on a few deals. Interesting.

1. I think you're right about Fiala being productive at the top of the lineup under MSL. I think he could thrive. I just hesitate about Roy simply because I don't know how other teams view him. He's got decent size and a wicked shot. He can make high-difficulty plays because he has the skills. I don't know if it's gonna translate to the NHL simply because of his skating. Whenever I tune in or see a highlight, he's barely skating - mostly gliding - into areas which are way too open. Is he a top-6 or a 3rd liner? Dunno, but def interesting. Ps. I think this kid would be a top-15 pick this draft if he was born 3 weeks later.

2. I've always liked Timmins. I haven't heard much about him in some time and wondering if his development ahs stalled, but I'd def give him a shot in MTL. I'd also be interested in seeing how Smilanic develops. I never paid attention to him until the FLA trade. Hughes seems to target certain players and I wonder what he sees in him.

3. I'm fine with whatever return Drouin gets, but I'd wait until the TDL to give him as much time as possible to up his value if that's the way he's trending. Otherwise, just get whatever you can for him and file it as an L.

4. No thoughts on Hoffman, but, and take this with a grain of salt, an NHL Central Scouting Extern Consultant on my Twitter feed tweeted that VGK had inquired about Hoffman recently. No negos, just inquired.
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8 juin 2022 à 22 h 50
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
Cause stats in the Q are such a great indicator for future success laugh

Khovanov had a higher point per game in the Q recently and it will be a miracle if he plays in the NHL.


Posters that say things without checking always amaze me especially as I made a simple, short comment that is put to task.

Have you heard of context? You know, team strength or you know, how old a player is, just maybe?

Joshua Roy is 18 years old. He barely missed being in the 2022 NHL draft, where'd he would go top10

Khovanov is 22 years old. He had those stats as a 20 year old.

You may as well be comparing the stats of a 1st year USHL'r in the NHL, and Jack Hughes of the Devils
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8 juin 2022 à 23 h 34
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
Posters that say things without checking always amaze me especially as I made a simple, short comment that is put to task.

Have you heard of context? You know, team strength or you know, how old a player is, just maybe?

Joshua Roy is 18 years old. He barely missed being in the 2022 NHL draft, where'd he would go top10

Khovanov is 22 years old. He had those stats as a 20 year old.

You may as well be comparing the stats of a 1st year USHL'r in the NHL, and Jack Hughes of the Devils


Thinking there is any significant meaning of a player based on offense stats from the Q is truly wild.

Regardless, it doesn't make any sense for Montreal to trade for Fiala. Even worse is thinking that a late 1st and Roy is anywhere close to sufficient value is laughable.
 
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