Flames decline

You are about to attract a swarm of Calgary fans.

If Monahan is going to be on IR, he might as well be on LTIR and Calgary doesn't save any money. We'd have to pay quite a bit more for Mangiapane.

Kakko has done nothing to prove he is worth even half of that AAV

I can’t see Calgary taking that

Yeah thats a very easy no from Calgary

Firstly, the only reason Monahan is on IR, is that I don't believe he'll be ready at the start of the season. They would still be saving money assuming that he will be ready to play part way through the season and they have to activate him from LTIR. Its what screwed Vegas this year.. Also people are way-way overvaluing 25-26 year old RFA wingers this year. The only place that Olofsson hasn't been comparable to Mangiapane is on the defensive side of the puck and that's where the Monahan and Ryan Johnson come into play as compensation. Sam Reinhart has been better his whole career than Andrew Mangiapane and we got a late first and a 7th round pick goalie, Buchnevich got a 2nd and Sammy Blais. If Calgary wants to clear some cap space Mangiapane for Olofsson, gets them similar production and ~$6 million for their stars.

For Kakko: Dylan Cozens seems to play his best hockey with a Power Forward style player next to him (see Okposo & PLD). Kakko is young and still has enough of a ceiling that he is definitely worth a second round pick to acquire. Sign him for the two or so years, if it doesn't work out that he develops into a solid contributor let him go (can be replaced with one of a bunch of prospects that should be ready to go at that time), it was a second round pick in a draft that we have 3 of those. Also, it makes life very hard for the Rangers. If they match, keeping Laf next year gets really tough, then we can offer sheet him if we so choose.

We've already been there, see attached that you didn't respond to:

See, I never said that Olofsson was as good of a player as Mangiapane, but they do produce similarly which is at least worth noting.

Also, that is a difference of 0.476 EV PPG for Mangiapane to 0.429 EV PPG for Olofsson we aren't talking worlds different here... (=0.047 EV PPG or just under 4 in a full 82 game season)

I believe that the difference in their two way game could be accounted for with the additional $11+ million dollars of cap space cleared up.

I guess IMO losing one or more of Gaudreau, Tkchuk, Kylington, Gudbranson, Zadorov hurts you way more than swapping Mangiapane for Olofsson and being able to keep all of those guys or add additional pieces elsewhere

You realize the "defensive side of the puck" is like half the game right?

Who cares about making life tough for the Rangers? We have plenty of you guys ourselves to put into the line up

Obviously, but it seems like Tkachuck, Gaudreau, and all of their defensive RFA & UFA would also be important pieces of the roster... Also you are acting like NHL GM's give that credit for being half of the game.. Last I checked Asplund isn't getting 5 million a year (and won't likely ever) and other defensive specialists aren't either, but Olofsson will and he doesn't know where the defensive zone is half the time; he does put the puck in the back of the net though. There are way more Offensive specialists (especially as wingers) than defensive specialists.

The point of the move isn't specifically to make life tough for the Rangers, but to add a good player with strong potential to our roster in the mold of a player that we neither have a lot of in Buffalo or anywhere is the system that could play in the top 6. Me saying that it makes life tough for the Rangers is making the point that it could be a possibility that we get him if offer sheeted (which by the way won't happen anyways).

Which guys are you proposing to put into the top 6 this year that have the potential of Kakko by the way? Getting Dylan Cozens better wingers than he had last season is a huge priority for me if I'm Kevyn Adams this summer.

Did I not respond? Pretty sure I went to post JFresh's player cards of the 2. Maybe I just never found one for Olofsson, got busy and forgot. Oh well, maybe this will give you a better understanding of the gap between these 2 players.

As for cap space; Zadorov is gone Calgary has the depth to replace him on the 3rd pair so no reason to bring him up. Gudbranson will be dirt cheap to resign if given term. Kylington hasn't proven he is worth a big contract yet, he was very streaky and went pretty ice cold in the 2nd half of the year.

Calgary's cap situation is really overblown and the general fans POV on Monahan is also really distorted. Here you have SM on IR, why would Calgary not just keep him on LTIR if he was still hurt. In the scenario that he is health his value is also not negative, its not high but he should not cost assets to move since he is a top 6 center with only 1 year left

I would put anyone you have in the bottom 6 aside from girgensons on cozens wing before doing that offersheet

Fair enough, this is the best response that I've gotten on this website maybe ever, so thank you. If Monahan is hurt to start the season, but then is healthy in say December, wouldn't Calgary still have to have the space to bring him back onto the active roster? Also, I guess from an outside perspective, even though Monahan was injured wasn't he playing mostly on the fourth line at least towards the end of this year?

Finally, in my opinion, analytics can be very helpful and useful in evaluating a players use / contribution to the teams success, but sometimes I think that people can go a little too far with it. For instance in Buffalo Asplund is great analytically and as you've seen Olofsson is not, but Olofsson is still a better hockey player and will be compensated as such. Another example is Patrik Laine, he sucks analytically, but he is very good at scoring, which is a huge portion of the game and he is still a really good player. Moral of the story is that I think that analytics are really good and valuable when building a team, but I think there is more to hockey than just that, but I digress.

On another note, in a vacuum, what is Mangiapane worth to you in terms of trade value?

Fair enough, I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on that. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat and luckily for us neither of us are the GM, I just hope that Kevyn continues to do well this summer

It was reported at the exit interview that Monahan is weeks ahead of schedule on his recovery and should start skating this month. Barring a completely unrelated injury during training camp or preseason it is very unlikely Monahan starts the season injured in a position where he comes back a few months later.

Yes he did play on the 4th line this year and was even scratched for 2 games. His issue is he is too much of a warrior. Often it is a good thing when a hockey player is a warrior because they will tough put some aches. With Monahan he will he takes it to the other extreme. Until he approached management and got the x-rays in April about maybe having an issue they were completely unaware how bad his 2nd hip had deteriorated. It was the exact same thing the year before. After the season Monahan admitted to having the first hip start causing problems only 6 games in. Yet he played through it for another 44 games before the issue came to light and he was sidelined (note that him now favoring the other leg more probably sped up the deterioration of the 2nd hip). Hindsight would have been to check it right away and LTIR him last year and move Bennett to center. Then maybe he could have been back in time and healthy for playoffs. Instead he played at like 50% all season.

Mind you this is just to explain the last 2 years. He's now successfully had the double hip surgeries and that should no longer be an issue. He may not fully return to form but I look at Tarasenko as a player in a similar situation. 2 years in a row ended by major shoulder surgery, comes back and has a fantastic year.

I understand your view on analytics and I for the most part agree with it. To me analytics should be viewed at about 30-40% of the whole picture. Seth Jones comes to mind. Always seems to suck analytically but in reality he is a legitimate #1. But on the other side they cant be ignored. For example Tyson Barrie, great at putting up points but horrible analytically.

The thing is it is very hard to compare 2 players on different teams without using analytics. I think Olofsson is a solid player but I see him as similar to Kubalik, whereas I see Mangiapane as similar or vetter than Reinhart (that should also answer your last question).

Lol this is hilarious. As a Sabres fan, the real world isn't NHL Franchise Mode. We aren't getting Samsonov, first off. Secondly, that Calgary trade is laughable, and there isn't a chance in the world Calgary accepts that, especially since they are likely losing Johnny hockey. Lastly, and most ridiculously, an offer sheet for Kakko is a complete joke. Most teams dont do that in general, its not gonna happen. And at that price, not a chance in the world that the Rangers dont match that. This is reality friend, not a video game. Sabres will do none of this.

This is a website "friend", where reality can be whatever I want *inserts Thanos GIF here*

I hope to find you in the comment section of every Armchair GM on this website with the same comment, because I don't know if you've seen very many of them, but they are mostly ridiculous. The Calgary trade is in a scenario where they are keeping Gaudreau and want to free up additional cap space by moving Monahan (clearly given the response above, is not something that they will need to be doing most likely). I also see that this is your first comment since 2019 so you could be unaware, but Monahan isn't a PPG player anymore. Also, last I checked Mangiapane is a really solid player, but you are acting like he's Connor McDavid with your response, which is actually laughable.

P.S. - Whether they make any of these moves or not doesn't really matter to me, I think its fun to put together a team with my own ideas and get respectful feedback from hockey fans of other teams. If I knew what the Sabres are going to do in July, I wouldn't waste my time guessing on here for fun.

Umm actually this isnt reality, i feel pretty comfortable stating no one posting on here is an nhl gm.

Also im a kakko fan, so go fot the offer sheet ARH613! I'd actually put a few more years on it so i could say he'd be worth every penny in the market 4 years from now. All the arguement here over olofosson and mangiapane, kakko's better than both. Neither where in the nhl let alone the playoffs at his age and hes trending to match thier production next year. Like i said the only issue i have with the sheet is get more term if you think he's gonna be worth it at all.