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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 6 juin 2022
Publié: 6 juin 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
12 000 000 $
21 650 000 $
21 750 000 $
3800 000 $
1950 000 $
22 750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
22 000 000 $
32 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Gibson, John (400 000 $ retained)
  2. Vaakanainen, Urho [Droits de RFA]
ANA
  1. Mrázek, Petr
  2. Muzzin, Jake
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (TOR)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  5. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Crouse, Lawson [Droits de RFA]
ARI
  1. Anderson, Joey
  2. Engvall, Pierre [Droits de RFA]
  3. Holl, Justin
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  5. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2022
Logo de WPG
Logo de TOR
2023
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
2024
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $82 377 283 $212 500 $0 $122 717 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
850 000 $850 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
762 500 $762 500 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
925 000 $925 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
950 000 $950 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2

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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 45
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That Ducks trade is a horrible thought
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 46
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That is an awful package for Gibson
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 47
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That Gibson trade is ridiculous, but that Crouse trade might be just as bad.
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 51
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If you were a Ducks fan would you be happy with this trade? I mean it's great for the Leafs. Unfortunately you must evaluate both teams when it comes to trades.
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 52
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If you were a Ducks fan would you be happy with this trade?


Not even sure I’m accepting without Gibson in the deal
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 52
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
That Ducks trade is a horrible thought


Agreed, it's pretty brutal for the Ducks, pretty sure Pat Verbeek can get a far better offer for Gibson than this.
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 54
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
Agreed, it's pretty brutal for the Ducks, pretty sure Pat Verbeek can get a far better offer for Gibson than this.


And Verbeek apprenticed under Yzerman. If anything he'd fleece Dubas hard.
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 54
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Muzzin, Mrazek and late picks. Yeah Anaheim can get a way better offer for Gibson than this.
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 55
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
And Verbeek apprenticed under Yzerman. If anything he'd fleece Dubas hard.


Totally agree 100%, Verbeek does the fleecing here not Dubas.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
Not even sure I’m accepting without Gibson in the deal


The old quantity for quality trade.
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 59
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As its been said, terrible deal for ANA, that literally only helps TOR

You will have to pay ANA to take Muzzin (I'm sure there is a team that would pay something for him but ANA is not one of those teams, abd it would be at the very least a 1st to get ANA to take him)
Mrazek probably costs a 3rd to dump

So right there is the two most Valuable pieces going to ANA for taking cap from the Leafs

Gibson starts at Nylander or Knies + Liljegren/Niemela + 1st rounder (Not saying Nylander with that package, Nylander or that package)

400k retention on Gibson costs at least a 2nd considering its for 5 years

Vaakanien doesnt get moved for less than a late first

All in all you are missing approximately 2 top prospects, 2 firsts and then some probably
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6 juin 2022 à 11 h 59
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
The old quantity for quality trade.


TOR cap dumps hit different
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6 juin 2022 à 12 h 6
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If the leafs want a goalie who isnt a starter but is paid like one, they can just keep mrazek. At least he's put up some decent numbers the past 3 seasons
6 juin 2022 à 12 h 7
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Quoting: Salzy
TOR cap dumps hit different


And what Leafs fans don't understand is the Ducks don't HAVE to trade Gibson. Sure they certainly would if Verbeek gets a great offer. Just like Yzerman did for Mantha. But they're just fine keeping Gibson. Ducks aren't giving him away for less than his value. And as usual, I don't know what Jared from London is talking about. Mrazek rarely plays anymore. If Dubie finds a taker for Mrazek, he'll do cartwheels on Bay Street.
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6 juin 2022 à 12 h 8
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As its been said, terrible deal for ANA, that literally only helps TOR

You will have to pay ANA to take Muzzin (I'm sure there is a team that would pay something for him but ANA is not one of those teams, abd it would be at the very least a 1st to get ANA to take him)
Mrazek probably costs a 3rd to dump

So right there is the two most Valuable pieces going to ANA for taking cap from the Leafs

Gibson starts at Nylander or Knies + Liljegren/Niemela + 1st rounder (Not saying Nylander with that package, Nylander or that package)

400k retention on Gibson costs at least a 2nd considering its for 5 years

Vaakanien doesnt get moved for less than a late first

All in all you are missing approximately 2 top prospects, 2 firsts and then some probably


Lol, gibson starts at nylander or knies, good one.
If gibson was the leafs goalie the past 5 years with those identical numbers people would be saying he was untradeable and would cost the leafa 10 first rounders to move him to arizona
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6 juin 2022 à 12 h 8
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
And what Leafs fans don't understand is the Ducks don't HAVE to trade Gibson. Sure they certainly would if Verbeek gets a great offer. Just like Yzerman did for Mantha. But they're just fine keeping Gibson. Ducks aren't giving him away for less than his value.


And what everyone else needs to understand is that gibson isnt good anymore and his contract is awful
6 juin 2022 à 12 h 10
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
And what Leafs fans don't understand is the Ducks don't HAVE to trade Gibson. Sure they certainly would if Verbeek gets a great offer. Just like Yzerman did for Mantha. But they're just fine keeping Gibson. Ducks aren't giving him away for less than his value.


The purpose of every team in the league is to make the Leafs as good as possible, everyone knows thats how CF works tears of joy

Verbeek coming from the Wings and being under Stevie makes me excited for what he's gonna turn the Ducks into

Honestly I dont see Gibson getting moved, Ducks will want too much (Comparative to what other teams want to pay) and as you say there is not an ounce of pressure to move him, If we move him we would actually need to go get a true starter since we dont have one waiting to replace him
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6 juin 2022 à 12 h 10
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Quoting: Salzy
As its been said, terrible deal for ANA, that literally only helps TOR

You will have to pay ANA to take Muzzin (I'm sure there is a team that would pay something for him but ANA is not one of those teams, abd it would be at the very least a 1st to get ANA to take him)
Mrazek probably costs a 3rd to dump

So right there is the two most Valuable pieces going to ANA for taking cap from the Leafs

Gibson starts at Nylander or Knies + Liljegren/Niemela + 1st rounder (Not saying Nylander with that package, Nylander or that package)

400k retention on Gibson costs at least a 2nd considering its for 5 years

Vaakanien doesnt get moved for less than a late first

All in all you are missing approximately 2 top prospects, 2 firsts and then some probably


I don't think this is the value the Ducks want at all.

And if that's what Gibson costs, the Leafs should absolutely not do it. He's expensive and you're relying on him to get back to his old form, which is not a guarantee. Not sure he's a great fit for the Leafs based on that.

Realistically I could see the Leafs trying to do something similar with goalies next year they did this year (but try to have maximum flexibility, maybe even both guys on expiring deals) and see if they can swing a deadline trade if they need to. But unless they think they're getting a bonafide top-10 starter in the league, they shouldn't pay too much for competency in goal.
6 juin 2022 à 12 h 10
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
And what everyone else needs to understand is that gibson isnt good anymore and his contract is awful


Horrible take.
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6 juin 2022 à 12 h 13
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Horrible take.


Really? A 904 goalie over 3 seasons making 6.4 mill for 4 more seasons is worth a tone now? Wow, mrazek put up about the same average if not better the past 3 seasons, the leafs should be able to get a mint for him ay 3.8x2
6 juin 2022 à 12 h 13
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Quoting: newballcoach
I don't think this is the value the Ducks want at all.

And if that's what Gibson costs, the Leafs should absolutely not do it. He's expensive and you're relying on him to get back to his old form, which is not a guarantee. Not sure he's a great fit for the Leafs based on that.

Realistically I could see the Leafs trying to do something similar with goalies next year they did this year (but try to have maximum flexibility, maybe even both guys on expiring deals) and see if they can swing a deadline trade if they need to. But unless they think they're getting a bonafide top-10 starter in the league, they shouldn't pay too much for competency in goal.


That is what Gibby would cost, the Ducks have more reasons not to move him than there are reasons to move him

Unless some team gives Verbeek a truly jaw dropping offer, Gibson isnt going anywhere

The Leafs 100% should not try to get Gibson, it would be much more efficient to buyout Mrazek and pay Campbell 5Mx5 and be around the same AAV (when you add Campbell at 5M and the Mrazek buyout cost) but you would still have the high end assets it would take to get Gibson.
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6 juin 2022 à 12 h 14
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Horrible take.


Any player that would cost more than Leaf fans think is bad value and terrible you should know this by now tears of joy
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6 juin 2022 à 12 h 16
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Quoting: Salzy
Any player that would cost more than Leaf fans think is bad value and terrible you should know this by now tears of joy


If they're playing for the Leafs they're great. When they're not playing for the Leafs they suck. 😁
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6 juin 2022 à 12 h 17
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Quoting: Salzy
Any player that would cost more than Leaf fans think is bad value and terrible you should know this by now tears of joy


Cant decide if my fav part of this is the talking smack but being too scared to reply or that no one here can offer up a single reason why gibson is worth anything at all, let alone good assets
6 juin 2022 à 12 h 18
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
If they're playing for the Leafs they're great. When they're not playing for the Leafs they suck. 😁


Lol, your best defence against gibson being good is saying "horrible take"
 
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