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Your Vancouver Hurricanes

Créé par: Reason
Date de création initiale: 4 juin 2022
Publié: 4 juin 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Description
Same CAR trade I made yesterday, some additional trades, and filling out the Vancouver roster.

Probably a bit of an overpay for Niederreiter, this was done with the hopes he would accept a shorter two year contract at higher money. This would free up cap space for when EP and VP need new deals.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Morrow, Scott810 000 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Rathbone, Jack2750 000 $
Lockwood, William2750 000 $
Lammikko, Juho2850 000 $
Highmore, Matthew2800 000 $
Roy, Nicolas43 250 000 $
Necas, Martin33 750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Trocheck, Vincent66 750 000 $
Cole, Ian23 000 000 $
Niederreiter, Nino25 500 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Jiricek, David3925 000 $
Kuzmenko, Andri12 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Roy, Nicolas [Droits de RFA]
VGK
  1. Höglander, Nils
Détails additionnels:
Willing to add a 3rd if needed.
2.
VAN
  1. Morrow, Scott [Liste de réserve]
  2. Necas, Martin [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 2022 ronde en 2e (CAR)
Détails additionnels:
So far the only projections for Morrow that Cane's fans haves provided is a tweet showing advanced stat comparables for Morrow, those comparables are 2-3rd pairing D. I'm very open to being wrong but until I see those high end NHL star comparables or Morrow’s name atop NHL affiliated prospect lists from reputable insiders I'm going to say this is a fair deal for both sides.
If the Cane's don't make the trade because it's not a good fit then I can understand that.
CAR
  1. Miller, J.T. (2 600 000 $ retained)
3.
VAN
  1. Choix de 2022 ronde en 1e (PHI)
PHI
  1. Boeser, Brock [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2022 ronde en 2e (CAR)
Détails additionnels:
Boeser signs a multi year extension.
4.
VAN
  1. Choix de 2022 ronde en 4e (DAL)
DAL
  1. Myers, Tyler (2 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Assuming Klingberg doesn't resign.
5.
VAN
  1. Choix de 2023 ronde en 3e (SEA)
SEA
  1. Pearson, Tanner
Détails additionnels:
Would Seattle have interest in Pearson? Good 3rd liner that is well respected in the room.
6.
VAN
ANA
  1. Klimovich, Danila
  2. Poolman, Tucker
  3. Choix de 2023 ronde en 3e (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
Any team.
Rachats de contrats
  • Braden Holtby: 1 900 000 $
  • Jake Virtanen: 500 000 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Bo Horvat: 1 375 000 $ (25%)
  • J.T. Miller: 2 600 000 $ (49.52%)
  • Tyler Myers: 2 000 000 $ (33.33%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGE1E RONDE2E RONDE3E RONDE4E RONDE5E RONDE6E RONDE7E RONDE
2022
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Logo de DAL
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2023
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Logo de VAN
Logo de SEA
Logo de VAN
Logo de NYR
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Logo de VAN
2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2482 500 000 $92 422 500 $1 250 000 $850 000 $-9 922 500 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Niederreiter, Nino
5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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Pettersson, Elias
7 350 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Trocheck, Vincent
6 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 7
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Garland, Conor
4 950 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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Horvat, Bo
4 125 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Necas, Martin
3 750 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 2
Kuzmenko, Andri
2 500 000 $
Roy, Nicolas
3 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 5
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Podkolzin, Vasily
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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Dickinson, Jason
2 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Lammikko, Juho
850 000 $
C, AG
UFA
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Highmore, Matthew
800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Hughes, Quinn
7 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
Morrow, Scott
10 000 000 $
DD
RFA
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Demko, Thatcher
5 000 000 $
G
UFA - 4
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Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
7 260 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Schenn, Luke
850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Martin, Spencer
762 500 $
G
UFA - 2
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Rathbone, Jack
750 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Jiricek, David
925 000 $
Cole, Ian
3 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Ferland, Micheal
3 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Burroughs, Kyle
750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
Lockwood, William
750 000 $
AD
RFA - 1

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4 juin 2022 à 20 h 13
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FYI, I don't actually expect Morrow to NHL ready for at least another 2 seasons.
4 juin 2022 à 20 h 16
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Miller to CAR is a pipe dream…for Canuck fans
4 juin 2022 à 21 h 30
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Carolina is exactly a team that could use Miller but Canes fans don’t want him for some reason. The way Canes fans rave about Morrow is like if Canucks fans would think Aiden McDonough is the next Lemieux. Good prospects but they’re overrating him like crazy
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4 juin 2022 à 21 h 34
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Carolina is exactly a team that could use Miller but Canes fans don’t want him for some reason. The way Canes fans rave about Morrow is like if Canucks fans would think Aiden McDonough is the next Lemieux. Good prospects but they’re overrating him like crazy


I know there are canes fans on here that seem to be rating Morrow way too high. Not disputing that and while I’m excited about him and think he has high end potential the jury is still out on what he actually becomes. I’m not opposed to moving him in the right deal and I think Miller would be a good fit, however I don’t think the Canes would extend him to a deal he wants so I’d rather look for other players that are younger if we’re going to give up a good package of assets.

Just like you think Canes fans are being unreasonable, a lot of Canucks fans are overlooking the perspective above as to why we don’t think it’s a trade that would work.
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4 juin 2022 à 21 h 50
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Is Miller the difference between a second round flop and going all the way to the end? I don’t think so
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4 juin 2022 à 21 h 51
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You have the Canes fans who have high expectations for Morrow and then you have the Canucks fans who think Miller is the second coming.

Miller to Carolina doesn’t work for multiple reasons. First of all, Carolina has historically made moves for players with term before going for rentals, especially if they can’t resign those rentals. That is the case with Miller, he would be a pure rental who would walk in UFA because 1) the Canes can’t afford to resign him, and 2) the contract he wants in unrealistic for his numbers over the course of his career. Secondly, since Miller is apparently the second coming or whatever, Vancouver wants the moon and the Canes won’t oblige. Third, he will be on the wrong side of 30 when his contract is due, and with his season this year looking like a one hit wonder (and yes, until he replicates the success he had this year, it is a one hit wonder season), the likelihood of him regressing would be pretty high. Hell, if he does replicate this season, I will eat my hat.

The Canes aren’t going to mortgage their future on someone who would be pure rental, so can we please stop wasting each other’s time.
4 juin 2022 à 23 h 49
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Quoting: vikhodush
I know there are canes fans on here that seem to be rating Morrow way too high. Not disputing that and while I’m excited about him and think he has high end potential the jury is still out on what he actually becomes. I’m not opposed to moving him in the right deal and I think Miller would be a good fit, however I don’t think the Canes would extend him to a deal he wants so I’d rather look for other players that are younger if we’re going to give up a good package of assets.

Just like you think Canes fans are being unreasonable, a lot of Canucks fans are overlooking the perspective above as to why we don’t think it’s a trade that would work.


These are the types of responses I enjoy reading on here, reasonable, well thought out and articulate.
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5 juin 2022 à 0 h 1
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These are the types of responses I enjoy reading on here, reasonable, well thought out and articulate.


Thank you, sir! I try to be even keeled as much as possible on here. It’s rarely a black and white situation so why treat it like that, There’s nuances to all teams and scenarios.
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You have the Canes fans who have high expectations for Morrow and then you have the Canucks fans who think Miller is the second coming.

Miller to Carolina doesn’t work for multiple reasons. First of all, Carolina has historically made moves for players with term before going for rentals, especially if they can’t resign those rentals. That is the case with Miller, he would be a pure rental who would walk in UFA because 1) the Canes can’t afford to resign him, and 2) the contract he wants in unrealistic for his numbers over the course of his career. Secondly, since Miller is apparently the second coming or whatever, Vancouver wants the moon and the Canes won’t oblige. Third, he will be on the wrong side of 30 when his contract is due, and with his season this year looking like a one hit wonder (and yes, until he replicates the success he had this year, it is a one hit wonder season), the likelihood of him regressing would be pretty high. Hell, if he does replicate this season, I will eat my hat.

The Canes aren’t going to mortgage their future on someone who would be pure rental, so can we please stop wasting each other’s time.


I agree with some of what you say and other parts not so much.

I don't think most Canucks fans are saying JT is the second coming, they are saying he is a top 10 scorer in the NHL which is currently is. If your referring to the second coming in reference to most Canucks fans asking price, I don't think this proposed trade is a massive upgrade from the confirmed offer that the NYR made for JT near the deadline, one which one of the most experienced GM's in the NHL felt was underwhelming. Projecting a second coming would be something like, someone predicting a D prospect would be the next Cale Makar, the best defenseman that ever lived...

As for a one hit wonder... this was probably a career year for JT I wont argue that, however he has now averaged over a PPG in two of his last three years and the other year he averaged .87PPG. A career year likely but far from a one hit wonder. A one hit wonder would be someone like Jim Carey who played 172 games and one a Vezina in 95-96 when he played 71 games for the Washington Capitals.

That being said I can understand your other points, whoever gives up the large package it will take to get Miller will certainly think they have a legitimate chance at winning the cup next year.
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Is Miller the difference between a second round flop and going all the way to the end? I don’t think so


That is definitely the question!

If the Cane's don't believe they are legitimate cup contenders next year, then I wont argue, they don't make the deal.
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I know there are canes fans on here that seem to be rating Morrow way too high. Not disputing that and while I’m excited about him and think he has high end potential the jury is still out on what he actually becomes. I’m not opposed to moving him in the right deal and I think Miller would be a good fit, however I don’t think the Canes would extend him to a deal he wants so I’d rather look for other players that are younger if we’re going to give up a good package of assets.

Just like you think Canes fans are being unreasonable, a lot of Canucks fans are overlooking the perspective above as to why we don’t think it’s a trade that would work.


I understand the fans perspective but it’s not the fans running the team. You got to ask yourself if it is something management would do. Imo yes they would have a look at Miller even as a rental. I could be wrong since I don’t follow Carolina but it makes sense
5 juin 2022 à 1 h 36
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Is Miller the difference between a second round flop and going all the way to the end? I don’t think so


I mean he could very well be. Adding a 100pt C or LW would have gone a long way in beating NYR
5 juin 2022 à 8 h 38
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I understand the fans perspective but it’s not the fans running the team. You got to ask yourself if it is something management would do. Imo yes they would have a look at Miller even as a rental. I could be wrong since I don’t follow Carolina but it makes sense


That’s exactly my point - this management team doesn’t operate that way. They go after guys with term or guys that they think they can extend and stay away from rentals who would want a large extension into their late 30s.

This isn’t a fan opinion that the value is off or that Miller wouldn’t fit. It’s all about the way this management group operates and based on that a deal like this for Miller is very unlikely.

Now can they change how they operate? Absolutely. And an argument can be made that they should because the team is directly in their contention window and they should maximize every year. That hasn’t been the case yet though and until they make moves that shows they’re willing to alter their style a move like this is very unlikely.
5 juin 2022 à 9 h 54
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That’s exactly my point - this management team doesn’t operate that way. They go after guys with term or guys that they think they can extend and stay away from rentals who would want a large extension into their late 30s.

This isn’t a fan opinion that the value is off or that Miller wouldn’t fit. It’s all about the way this management group operates and based on that a deal like this for Miller is very unlikely.

Now can they change how they operate? Absolutely. And an argument can be made that they should because the team is directly in their contention window and they should maximize every year. That hasn’t been the case yet though and until they make moves that shows they’re willing to alter their style a move like this is very unlikely.


They just got Domi at the TDL did they not? And he’s a rental. So it’s not like they’ve never traded for a rental
5 juin 2022 à 10 h 29
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They just got Domi at the TDL did they not? And he’s a rental. So it’s not like they’ve never traded for a rental


And tell me how much they gave up for him? Have to use a little logic there.

I feel like I gave rational, logical and historical context as to why these Miller to CAR deals are unlikely but just like you pile on Canes fans who blindly trash those offers and over state Morrow, it seems like there are just as many nucks fans that are just as blindly irrational.

2 sides trying to force their opinions down each other’s throats rarely results in one of the sides changing their minds.
5 juin 2022 à 10 h 45
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And tell me how much they gave up for him? Have to use a little logic there.

I feel like I gave rational, logical and historical context as to why these Miller to CAR deals are unlikely but just like you pile on Canes fans who blindly trash those offers and over state Morrow, it seems like there are just as many nucks fans that are just as blindly irrational.

2 sides trying to force their opinions down each other’s throats rarely results in one of the sides changing their minds.


I totally understand your logic and it makes a lot of sense, however none of us are in the business so it remains a possibility.

I was adamant the Canucks would have no interest in Dermott and trashed Leafs fans who suggested Canucks would give up a 4th let alone a 3rd for him. But to my surprise Dermott is a Canucks and they gave a 3rd for him. Imo it really made no sense from a Canucks perspective but it happened so can’t really discount it
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5 juin 2022 à 11 h 43
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I totally understand your logic and it makes a lot of sense, however none of us are in the business so it remains a possibility.

I was adamant the Canucks would have no interest in Dermott and trashed Leafs fans who suggested Canucks would give up a 4th let alone a 3rd for him. But to my surprise Dermott is a Canucks and they gave a 3rd for him. Imo it really made no sense from a Canucks perspective but it happened so can’t really discount it


Yep, fair point. Anything is possible at end of day
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