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Barbashev and Vladdy traded

Créé par: HolyShildt
Équipe: 2022-23 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 27 mai 2022
Publié: 28 mai 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
11 250 000 $
11 000 000 $
11 250 000 $
12 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
33 500 000 $
33 500 000 $
56 000 000 $
21 500 000 $
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STL
  1. Dobson, Noah [Droits de RFA]
NYI
  1. Tarasenko, Vladimir
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (STL)
2.
STL
  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2022 (SEA)
SEA
  1. Scandella, Marco
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (STL)
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STL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $75 410 833 $1 100 000 $82 500 $7 089 167 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
AG, AD, C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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835 833 $835 833 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
AG, AD
RFA - 3
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 6
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 8
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
750 000 $750 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
950 000 $950 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1

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28 mai 2022 à 1 h 15
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No way the Isles are doing that
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No way the Isles are doing that
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28 mai 2022 à 1 h 22
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Barzal is arguably more available than Dobson
28 mai 2022 à 1 h 24
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Barzal is arguably more available than Dobson


I'm under the belief that Vladdy is going to an east coast team in a sign and trade, and its likely going to be for a good, young defenseman, and Dobson was the first one I found
28 mai 2022 à 1 h 34
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I'm under the belief that Vladdy is going to an east coast team in a sign and trade, and its likely going to be for a good, young defenseman, and Dobson was the first one I found


If you are under the belief that any team in the NHL will ever pay extra for a sign-and-trade you are sorely mistaken. That is simply not a thing in the NHL
28 mai 2022 à 1 h 36
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Blues say no to the first trade fs Dobson is an RD
28 mai 2022 à 1 h 47
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Blues say no to the first trade fs Dobson is an RD


That's why I signed Kulak. It was more about getting a fit for Perunovich and our play style
28 mai 2022 à 1 h 49
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
If you are under the belief that any team in the NHL will ever pay extra for a sign-and-trade you are sorely mistaken. That is simply not a thing in the NHL


but are they really paying a lot? I know dobson is a valuable piece but Vladdy put up 30 goals last year and I know NHL teams eat that stuff up.
28 mai 2022 à 1 h 56
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Quoting: HolyShildt
I'm under the belief that Vladdy is going to an east coast team in a sign and trade, and its likely going to be for a good, young defenseman, and Dobson was the first one I found


Under what circumstance would any GM, Give up a young stud Dman like Dobson? For an aging broken down Vlad Tarasenko who's already had two major shoulder injuries. Yeah this is so not happening.
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28 mai 2022 à 1 h 56
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but are they really paying a lot? I know dobson is a valuable piece but Vladdy put up 30 goals last year and I know NHL teams eat that stuff up.


Vladdy is a pending UFA and Dobson is a 50 point defenseman in a system that offers very little offense and just finishing his ELC. For example Zach Werenski was a 44 point dman at the end of his ELC in a very similar system

Tank could probably get a decent return but you aren't getting anyone with #1 potential for him
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28 mai 2022 à 2 h 5
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Quoting: HolyShildt
That's why I signed Kulak. It was more about getting a fit for Perunovich and our play style


Domestic make up for it we need a top line LD
28 mai 2022 à 2 h 5
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Vladdy is a pending UFA and Dobson is a 50 point defenseman in a system that offers very little offense and just finishing his ELC. For example Zach Werenski was a 44 point dman at the end of his ELC in a very similar system

Tank could probably get a decent return but you aren't getting anyone with #1 potential for him


I was not aware of Dobson's value before this. However, if a GM can trade Pavel Buchnevich for Sammy Blais, anything can happen
28 mai 2022 à 2 h 6
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I was not aware of Dobson's value before this. However, if a GM can trade Pavel Buchnevich for Sammy Blais, anything can happen


Sure but that was seen as a bad trade even when it happened and that was more to do with cap issues.
28 mai 2022 à 2 h 8
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Domestic make up for it we need a top line LD


Kulak can be a much better top line LD than Leddy or Scandella was thrown in there to be, and to be fair we shouldn't be spending more than 5 million on another Dman, we already have 3 at 6+
28 mai 2022 à 2 h 10
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
Under what circumstance would any GM, Give up a young stud Dman like Dobson? For an aging broken down Vlad Tarasenko who's already had two major shoulder injuries. Yeah this is so not happening.


Vladdy is 29, had a fully healthy season, and put up 84 points. He's going to be traded this offseason, and some GM is going to pay up
28 mai 2022 à 2 h 12
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Quoting: HolyShildt
Vladdy is 29, had a fully healthy season, and put up 84 points. He's going to be traded this offseason, and some GM is going to pay up


Not for a Noah Dobson they wont, So sane GM would ever give up a Dobson for Tarasenko's whose value is nowhere near Dobson's.
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28 mai 2022 à 2 h 19
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This is a really bad offer to NYI. There are some players that are just untouchable to a franchise unless it’s for a top player with term. Tarasenko is a rental. Doubt Barby fetches a 1st either unless it’s at the deadline and he has a good follow up season, which I doubt he matches.
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28 mai 2022 à 6 h 22
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Blues say no to the first trade fs Dobson is an RD


You are delusional, you wouldn't trade Tarasenko who's 30 years old, one year away from UFA, and gone through some major surgeries even if he was healthy this season, for a 22-year old right-handed defenseman that is already putting up elite underlying numbers and 50+ points as a defenseman under the most conservative, boring system in the league under Trotz. "fs Dobson is an RD", so you rather not take the best player you could get because he's a rightie LOL. This logic is so flawed, you always draft or trade for the best possible player, for instance the Blues could trade Faulk if it bothers them to have 3 highly paid RD. Would you have chosen Laine instead of Matthews in the 2016 draft if your team already had good center depth but a need on the wings?

@Db1899 this guy wouldn't trade Tarasenko for Dobson lol. And @HolyShildt doesn't even think Isles give up much in this deal "but are they really paying a lot?" Haha these fans...
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28 mai 2022 à 6 h 27
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but are they really paying a lot? I know dobson is a valuable piece but Vladdy put up 30 goals last year and I know NHL teams eat that stuff up.


"Are they really paying a lot?" LOL! Dobson is a 22-year old right-handed defenseman that is already putting up elite underlying numbers and had a 50+ point season as a defenseman under the most conservative, boring system in the league under Trotz. Based on your comment you don't seem to have a clue about player valuation if you seriously don't think Isles are giving up a lot in this trade.
28 mai 2022 à 6 h 51
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Barzal, Sorokin, Dobson, Pelech and Pulock are not available. Say it loud, spread the word near and far so we don't have to endure any more of this nonsense.
28 mai 2022 à 6 h 53
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"Are they really paying a lot?" LOL! Dobson is a 22-year old right-handed defenseman that is already putting up elite underlying numbers and had a 50+ point season as a defenseman under the most conservative, boring system in the league under Trotz. Based on your comment you don't seem to have a clue about player valuation if you seriously don't think Isles are giving up a lot in this trade.


And he was paired almost exclusively with Chara.
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28 mai 2022 à 7 h 11
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And he was paired almost exclusively with Chara.


Yeah exactly, Chára was one of the worst players in the league this season.
28 mai 2022 à 14 h 40
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Quoting: Isles10
You are delusional, you wouldn't trade Tarasenko who's 30 years old, one year away from UFA, and gone through some major surgeries even if he was healthy this season, for a 22-year old right-handed defenseman that is already putting up elite underlying numbers and 50+ points as a defenseman under the most conservative, boring system in the league under Trotz. "fs Dobson is an RD", so you rather not take the best player you could get because he's a rightie LOL. This logic is so flawed, you always draft or trade for the best possible player, for instance the Blues could trade Faulk if it bothers them to have 3 highly paid RD. Would you have chosen Laine instead of Matthews in the 2016 draft if your team already had good center depth but a need on the wings?

Db1899 this guy wouldn't trade Tarasenko for Dobson lol. And HolyShildt doesn't even think Isles give up much in this deal "but are they really paying a lot?" Haha these fans...


We aren’t gonna give Taresenko and a first for a guy that would be on our 3RD is Dobson a top 4 player yes but we have Faulk and Parakyo so it makes no sense for us at all
Your delusional if you think it does
28 mai 2022 à 14 h 45
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We aren’t gonna give Taresenko and a first for a guy that would be on our 3RD is Dobson a top 4 player yes but we have Faulk and Parakyo so it makes no sense for us at all
Your delusional if you think it does


Haha ok. A semi-late 1st and Tarasenko for Dobson, no thanks lol.
28 mai 2022 à 14 h 47
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Haha ok. A semi-late 1st and Tarasenko for Dobson, no thanks lol.


Exactly glad you saw it my way
It makes no sense for either team at all
 
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