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Leafs Forever

Créé par: Fade14
Date de création initiale: 27 mai 2022
Publié: 27 mai 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
Wanted to see if I could fit Fiala in a semi reasonable manner, I think everything is relatively close to proper value, just for fun
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Sandin, Rasmus32 000 000 $
Liljegren, Timothy32 000 000 $
Kase, Ondrej21 500 000 $
Fiala, Kevin88 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1750 000 $
Campbell, Jack44 500 000 $
Mikheyev, Ilya33 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. 2022 1e round pick (VGK)
  2. 2022 3e round pick (BUF)
Buffalo gets a solid veteran dman to play with Dahlin. Outside of the strong on ice impacts, he is a great leader and can help rebuild the culture of the Sabres. Additionally, they have the draft capital to spare to make this trade, a team such as detroit would be less willing to make thus move since they have 1 first rounder.
BUF
  1. Muzzin, Jake
Détails additionnels:
Losing Muzzin is a big loss in the locker room, but there is an excess of NHL LD and Sandin needs top four minutes. Due to his advancing age and fairly large contract, it makes sense to move him.
2.
TOR
  1. Fiala, Kevin [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Basically confirmed they're moving Fiala, get back two first, a young player and hometown boy in Holl.
MIN
  1. Voit, Ty
  2. Holl, Justin
  3. 2022 1e round pick (VGK)
  4. 2024 1e round pick (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Based on what I heard the asking price may be from some media member, can't remember from where. Could be way off, but I'm just doing this for fun so idc
3.
TOR
  1. 2023 2e round pick (VAN)
  2. 2022 3e round pick (VAN)
  3. 2023 3e round pick (VAN)
Acquire two versatile players. Kerfoot can play in Vancouver's top six or fill the 3C hole. Engvall is a solid young(ish) player who is a strong depth option who could have potential to play higher in the lineup. Both are also excellent penalty killers. (Kerfoot is also a hometown boy)
VAN
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Engvall, Pierre [Droits de RFA]
4.
TOR
    Future Considerations
    Get a goalie to play for them and help reach the salary floor. Receive the pick for taking on the cap hit. Additionally, if Mrazek turns it around, he could be dealt for assets.
    ARI
    1. Mrázek, Petr
    2. 2022 3e round pick (BUF)
    5.
    TOR
    1. Reimer, James (1 125 000 $ retained)
    SJS
    1. 2023 2e round pick (VAN)
    2. 2022 3e round pick (WPG)
    3. 2023 3e round pick (VAN)
    Acquire a solid cost controlled goaltender, also I want Reimer back in Toronto so bad.
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    2024
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2082 500 000 $82 205 616 $212 500 $0 $294 384 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    Bunting, Michael
    950 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
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    Matthews, Auston
    11 640 250 $
    C
    UFA - 2
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    Marner, Mitchell
    10 903 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 3
    Fiala, Kevin
    8 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 7
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    Tavares, John
    11 000 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
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    Nylander, William
    6 962 366 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
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    Mikheyev, Ilya
    3 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA
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    Kämpf, David
    1 500 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
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    Kase, Ondrej
    1 500 000 $
    AD
    RFA
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    Clifford, Kyle
    762 500 $
    AG
    UFA - 2
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    Abruzzese, Nick
    850 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
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    Spezza, Jason
    750 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Rielly, Morgan
    7 500 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 8
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    Brodie, TJ
    5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Campbell, Jack
    4 500 000 $
    G
    UFA
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    Sandin, Rasmus
    2 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    RFA
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    Liljegren, Timothy
    2 000 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
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    Reimer, James
    1 125 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 1
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    Giordano, Mark
    800 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
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    Hollowell, Mac
    750 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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    Simmonds, Wayne
    900 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 1

    Unités spéciales

    Avantage numérique 1
    Marner, M.
    Tavares, J.
    Nylander, W.
    Rielly, M.
    Matthews, A.
    Avantage numérique 2
    Bunting, M.
    Spezza, J.
    Kase, O.
    Sandin, R.
    Giordano, M.
    Infériorité numérique 1
    Mikheyev, I.
    Marner, M.
    Rielly, M.
    Brodie, T.
    Infériorité numérique 2
    Kämpf, D.
    Kase, O.
    Giordano, M.
    Liljegren, T.

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    27 mai à 13 h 52
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    Buffalo doesn't need a top 4 LD, and they aren't paying that price for one. They already have Samuelsson to play with Dahlin who was his partner at the end of the season and they played quite well together.
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    27 mai à 13 h 53
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    Not retaining on Reimer as we are cap strapped. We only do it for a 1st and a prospect.
    27 mai à 13 h 56
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    Imagine thinking you're getting a 1st for Muzzin
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    27 mai à 13 h 57
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    Quoting: crankshaft
    Not retaining on Reimer as we are cap strapped. We only do it for a 1st and a prospect.


    You know this is James Reimer we're talking about? You're not getting a first for a retained rental James Reimer
    27 mai à 13 h 59
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    Muzzin is not getting you a first, let alone a first and a third. Also the last thing the Sabres need is another LHD.
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    27 mai à 14 h 0
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    We have two left shot d that were drafted first overall, plus Samuelsson who is doing great. Left d, especially depth ones, aren't worth the premium that right d get. This isn't even in the ballpark.
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    27 mai à 14 h 6
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    -Buffalo has no need to spend a 1st & a 3rd on Muzzin. There's plenty of veteran Ds out there that can give you 80-90% of what Muzzin gives without costing two picks *and* $5.625M of cap. I could see Buffalo thinking about it if you dropped the 1st rounder (3rd for Muzzin?) but I'll let Sabres fans weigh in on that possibility.

    -That package seems okay for Fiala but can be beat if another team wants him more. Holl is zero value to Minnesota though, dump him out somewhere else - they already have Dumba, Spurgeon, and Addison ready to play RD. You can probably flip Holl out elsewhere for a 4th.

    -I can't see Vancouver doing this kind of move without them already having moved JT Miller out for a ton of picks/prospects. As it stands now, there's not a ton of room in their top 9 when you look at who's already signed/who's still only an RFA this summer.

    -Mrazek isn't the type of cap dump Arizona usually takes, his contract is backloaded and actually costs more in salary than his cap hit. I'd look at another, non-cap floor team like Chicago for this deal (but they might bleed you for more in terms of compensation).

    -Reimer is probably able to be acquired this summer (unless they move on from Hill or Kahkonen) but as @crankshaft said they're tight against the cap this summer and you're going to have to overpay to get some of that retention.

    I'd honestly be worried about this team. The 4th line is brutal, that bottom pair is iffy at best, and you're at the cap with only 20 guys - so you're gonna need a lot of guys to either play through injury or spend more time than you'd want on LTIR.
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    27 mai à 14 h 13
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    Sabres decline
    That’s quite laughable actually
    Even if it was just for a 3rd, i still don’t think we’d do it

    Samuelsson-Dahlin looked good at the end of the season
    If we bring in a Vet to play with Dahlin, it would more likely be a RH guy
    Muzzin just isn’t of any interest to us
    27 mai à 14 h 15
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    Value on the Reimer deal is fair.
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    27 mai à 14 h 29
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    -Buffalo has no need to spend a 1st & a 3rd on Muzzin. There's plenty of veteran Ds out there that can give you 80-90% of what Muzzin gives without costing two picks *and* $5.625M of cap. I could see Buffalo thinking about it if you dropped the 1st rounder (3rd for Muzzin?) but I'll let Sabres fans weigh in on that possibility.

    -That package seems okay for Fiala but can be beat if another team wants him more. Holl is zero value to Minnesota though, dump him out somewhere else - they already have Dumba, Spurgeon, and Addison ready to play RD. You can probably flip Holl out elsewhere for a 4th.

    -I can't see Vancouver doing this kind of move without them already having moved JT Miller out for a ton of picks/prospects. As it stands now, there's not a ton of room in their top 9 when you look at who's already signed/who's still only an RFA this summer.

    -Mrazek isn't the type of cap dump Arizona usually takes, his contract is backloaded and actually costs more in salary than his cap hit. I'd look at another, non-cap floor team like Chicago for this deal (but they might bleed you for more in terms of compensation).

    -Reimer is probably able to be acquired this summer (unless they move on from Hill or Kahkonen) but as crankshaft said they're tight against the cap this summer and you're going to have to overpay to get some of that retention.

    I'd honestly be worried about this team. The 4th line is brutal, that bottom pair is iffy at best, and you're at the cap with only 20 guys - so you're gonna need a lot of guys to either play through injury or spend more time than you'd want on LTIR.


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    27 mai à 15 h 2
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    -Buffalo has no need to spend a 1st & a 3rd on Muzzin. There's plenty of veteran Ds out there that can give you 80-90% of what Muzzin gives without costing two picks *and* $5.625M of cap. I could see Buffalo thinking about it if you dropped the 1st rounder (3rd for Muzzin?) but I'll let Sabres fans weigh in on that possibility.

    -That package seems okay for Fiala but can be beat if another team wants him more. Holl is zero value to Minnesota though, dump him out somewhere else - they already have Dumba, Spurgeon, and Addison ready to play RD. You can probably flip Holl out elsewhere for a 4th.

    -I can't see Vancouver doing this kind of move without them already having moved JT Miller out for a ton of picks/prospects. As it stands now, there's not a ton of room in their top 9 when you look at who's already signed/who's still only an RFA this summer.

    -Mrazek isn't the type of cap dump Arizona usually takes, his contract is backloaded and actually costs more in salary than his cap hit. I'd look at another, non-cap floor team like Chicago for this deal (but they might bleed you for more in terms of compensation).

    -Reimer is probably able to be acquired this summer (unless they move on from Hill or Kahkonen) but as crankshaft said they're tight against the cap this summer and you're going to have to overpay to get some of that retention.

    I'd honestly be worried about this team. The 4th line is brutal, that bottom pair is iffy at best, and you're at the cap with only 20 guys - so you're gonna need a lot of guys to either play through injury or spend more time than you'd want on LTIR.


    From the replies I'm getting , seems like Buffalo isn't the best fit for Muzzin, I wasn't aware of how well Samuelsson was performing. Also didn't realize Dahlin was LD, completely though he was RD for some reason. I will say I think Muzzin is being a bit undervalued. He wasn't great this season due to injury but looked very good in the playoffs and has been good the last few seasons. I wouldn't hesitate to keep him if Sandin wasn't coming up.

    Definitely agree that the fourth line is spotty, this situation was just for fun, I don't know if it would really be worth it to sacrifice depth to slot in Fiala. I would argue that it could be worth it for a playe rof his calibre. You could roll the top two lines 20 mins a night each, and give the third line 15, leaving only like 5 minutes for thr fourth. You'd be leaning really heavily on the top six and an injury to two of them could cripple the team though. I think Giordano is a more than capable bottom pairing guy, I think a model had his contract value at 5.3m? That pairing would heavily rely on Hollowell being ready though.

    Honestly, I feel like the price for Reimer is pretty fair. I'd say the 2nd and 3rd are about a fair price for him, plus another 3rd for 1.125m retained for one year seems reasonable to me.

    I appreciate the feedback, thanks!
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    27 mai à 15 h 3
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    Quoting: sabres89
    We have two left shot d that were drafted first overall, plus Samuelsson who is doing great. Left d, especially depth ones, aren't worth the premium that right d get. This isn't even in the ballpark.


    Honestly I was just being dumb and didn't realize Dahlin was LD, for some reason thought he was RD. With that in mind, that deal definitely doesn't make sense, my bad for just glossing over it to quick lol.
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    27 mai à 15 h 4
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    Quoting: sabres89
    We have two left shot d that were drafted first overall, plus Samuelsson who is doing great. Left d, especially depth ones, aren't worth the premium that right d get. This isn't even in the ballpark.


    Honestly I was just being dumb and didn't realize Dahlin was LD, for some reason thought he was RD. With that in mind, that deal definitely doesn't make sense, my bad for just glossing over it to quick lol.
    27 mai à 15 h 11
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    Quoting: Cody_Eakin
    Imagine thinking you're getting a 1st for Muzzin


    I think your really undervaluing him. I do realize now Buffalo is not the right fit, for some reason I thought Dahlin was RD not LD. However, you could definitely get a first for him. Look at what he was origanally acquired for, he's not to far removed from that and is still an excellent player. Additionally, look at what guys like Ristolainen and Chiarot have got in return. Muzzin is better than both of them by a mile. (Chiarot was deadline, which definitely drives up the price, so Muzzin being worth a first outside of the deadline would make sense, maybe without the third though.)
    27 mai à 15 h 12
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    Quoting: Funksoljah
    Buffalo doesn't need a top 4 LD, and they aren't paying that price for one. They already have Samuelsson to play with Dahlin who was his partner at the end of the season and they played quite well together.


    Didn't realize Dahlin was LD, thought he was RD for some reason, trade definitely doesn't make sense, my bad.
    27 mai à 15 h 46
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    Quoting: Fade14
    I think your really undervaluing him. I do realize now Buffalo is not the right fit, for some reason I thought Dahlin was RD not LD. However, you could definitely get a first for him. Look at what he was origanally acquired for, he's not to far removed from that and is still an excellent player. Additionally, look at what guys like Ristolainen and Chiarot have got in return. Muzzin is better than both of them by a mile. (Chiarot was deadline, which definitely drives up the price, so Muzzin being worth a first outside of the deadline would make sense, maybe without the third though.)


    Risto was 26. Chiarot played 23+ minutes on a team that just went to the Stanley Cup.

    Muzzin is 33, has a bad contract, and has declined. He also has a NTC and will decide where he gets to go.

    Nate Schmidt with a similar contract & NTC got a 3rd.
    27 mai à 16 h 56
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    -Buffalo has no need to spend a 1st & a 3rd on Muzzin. There's plenty of veteran Ds out there that can give you 80-90% of what Muzzin gives without costing two picks *and* $5.625M of cap. I could see Buffalo thinking about it if you dropped the 1st rounder (3rd for Muzzin?) but I'll let Sabres fans weigh in on that possibility.

    -That package seems okay for Fiala but can be beat if another team wants him more. Holl is zero value to Minnesota though, dump him out somewhere else - they already have Dumba, Spurgeon, and Addison ready to play RD. You can probably flip Holl out elsewhere for a 4th.

    -I can't see Vancouver doing this kind of move without them already having moved JT Miller out for a ton of picks/prospects. As it stands now, there's not a ton of room in their top 9 when you look at who's already signed/who's still only an RFA this summer.

    -Mrazek isn't the type of cap dump Arizona usually takes, his contract is backloaded and actually costs more in salary than his cap hit. I'd look at another, non-cap floor team like Chicago for this deal (but they might bleed you for more in terms of compensation).

    -Reimer is probably able to be acquired this summer (unless they move on from Hill or Kahkonen) but as crankshaft said they're tight against the cap this summer and you're going to have to overpay to get some of that retention.

    I'd honestly be worried about this team. The 4th line is brutal, that bottom pair is iffy at best, and you're at the cap with only 20 guys - so you're gonna need a lot of guys to either play through injury or spend more time than you'd want on LTIR.


    No doubt Reimer is available to some degree but his contract is cheap as chips so I don't see the Sharks who have a relatively strong trade record retaining anything unless the return is an overpay.
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    27 mai à 16 h 58
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    Quoting: LukaTAG
    You know this is James Reimer we're talking about? You're not getting a first for a retained rental James Reimer


    Did I say a 1st?
    Quoting: FunMustBeAlways
    Value on the Reimer deal is fair.


    Not with retention it isn't.
    27 mai à 17 h 3
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    Trolling ?
    27 mai à 17 h 32
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    Quoting: crankshaft
    Did I say a 1st?

    Not with retention it isn't.


    1st and a prospect. Absurd.
    27 mai à 19 h 28
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    VAN decline, they are trying to shed salary.
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    27 mai à 19 h 42
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    Quoting: crankshaft
    Did I say a 1st?

    Not with retention it isn't.


    Nope even with retention that’s a good haul. It’s barely over 1M for 1 year.
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    27 mai à 21 h 26
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    Quoting: LukaTAG
    You know this is James Reimer we're talking about? You're not getting a first for a retained rental James Reimer


    You know this is Jake Muzzin we're talking about? You're not getting a first and a 3rd for a guy with concussion issues
    27 mai à 21 h 34
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    Quoting: vols94
    You know this is Jake Muzzin we're talking about? You're not getting a first and a 3rd for a guy with concussion issues


    Yeah, that's true. The Muzzin trade is really unrealistic. I was picking apart the Reimer trade though.
    28 mai à 19 h 7
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    This might be the best take on this site! 👍
    I rarely disagree with him.
    The only time he and I differed, we mistakenly misunderstood each other.
    We were able to agree once we restated our points of views.
    He is always on point!
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