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This Summer If Bergeron Retires

Créé par: bruins2k11
Date de création initiale: 27 mai 2022
Publié: 27 mai 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Bruins de Boston
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RFAANSCAP HIT
Olofsson, Victor33 600 000 $
Studnicka, Jack1800 000 $
Keyser, Kyle2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Trocheck, Vincent66 115 000 $
Rakell, Rickard45 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
BOS
  1. 2022 3e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Reilly, Mike
2.
BOS
  1. 2023 2e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Smith, Craig
  2. 2023 5e round pick (BOS)
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BOS
  1. Olofsson, Victor [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2022 1e round pick (FLA)
  3. 2022 4e round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Asselin, Samuel
  3. 2022 2e round pick (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Assuming DeBrusk's Trade Request still stands
4.
BOS
  1. 2022 4e round pick (VGK)
DET
  1. Nosek, Tomas
Détails additionnels:
Could be anywhere
Rachats de contrats
  • Nick Foligno: 1 933 334 $
Enfoui
  • Chris Wagner: 225 000 $ (1 350 000 $)
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Marchand, Brad
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Hall, Taylor
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Haula, Erik
2 375 000 $
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Pastrnak, David
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Olofsson, Victor
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Coyle, Charlie
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Carlo, Brandon
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Swayman, Jeremy
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Forbort, Derek
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Zboril, Jakub
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Clifton, Connor
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27 mai à 13 h 52
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Why is Buffalo making this trade and giving up a 1st?
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27 mai à 13 h 55
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Why is Buffalo making this trade and giving up a 1st?


it's additional compensation for all the giggles you'll get from trading for Sammy Ass
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27 mai à 13 h 57
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Why is Buffalo making this trade and giving up a 1st?


Seriously. Rather just keep Olofsson. Similar production, similar minutes, similar ages.

Also underpaying Olofsson, he more than likely gets 4 - 4.5/yr
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27 mai à 14 h 3
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Edmonton has no cap space. Otherwise that's a decent offer.
27 mai à 14 h 4
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Quoting: Funksoljah
Seriously. Rather just keep Olofsson. Similar production, similar minutes, similar ages.

Also underpaying Olofsson, he more than likely gets 4 - 4.5/yr


If you assume that Sammy asselin is worth a 4th, then buffalo is trading olofsson and a late first for debrusk and a late 2nd. Of course no.

Quick add- I bet he gets 4.5-5, maybe a bit more if the Sabres wanna throw some cap at their one rfa that's worth something. I wouldn't go much higher than 5 though, if we actually do end up trading him, I don't want his contract getting in the way.
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27 mai à 14 h 8
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Quoting: sabres89
If you assume that Sammy asselin is worth a 4th, then buffalo is trading olofsson and a late first for debrusk and a late 2nd. Of course no.

Quick add- I bet he gets 4.5-5, maybe a bit more if the Sabres wanna throw some cap at their one rfa that's worth something. I wouldn't go much higher than 5 though, if we actually do end up trading him, I don't want his contract getting in the way.


fwiw olofsson is 2 years older and isnt as good at 5v5 production.
27 mai à 14 h 12
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fwiw olofsson is 2 years older and isnt as good at 5v5 production.


It's not worth much. His play 5v5 improved last year, especially after his upper body injury healed.
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27 mai à 14 h 20
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Absolutely not from Buffalo
U can keep DeBrusk, or see if someone else is interested
I’m quite sure that we wouldn’t be - not at that price
27 mai à 14 h 21
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Quoting: hanson493
fwiw olofsson is 2 years older and isnt as good at 5v5 production.


The difference isn’t valued at a 1st- no way
27 mai à 14 h 21
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Quoting: sabres89
It's not worth much. His play 5v5 improved last year, especially after his upper body injury healed.


it improved but most of his 5v5 production is assists. 10/32 vs 17/31 goals vs total points at 5v5. even strength production: olofsson 13/36 debrusk 22/38. ide rather have the goal scorer when all other things are equal. thats solely this year as well.
27 mai à 14 h 22
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Quoting: Buffalove
The difference isn’t valued at a 1st- no way


its like a 20 pick difference... its debrusk and a 2nd for olofsson and a 1st. its not olofsson and a 1st for debrusk.
27 mai à 14 h 24
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Quoting: Buffalove
Absolutely not from Buffalo
U can keep DeBrusk, or see if someone else is interested
I’m quite sure that we wouldn’t be - not at that price


its funny you say "keep debrusk" because i actually would rather the goal scorer in this scenario. we have plenty of set up style guys. not enough pure goal scorers like debrusk is. bruins get worse making this trade.
27 mai à 14 h 29
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We can’t afford a 3.1 million dollar 3rd liner
27 mai à 14 h 32
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Quoting: hanson493
its funny you say "keep debrusk" because i actually would rather the goal scorer in this scenario. we have plenty of set up style guys. not enough pure goal scorers like debrusk is. bruins get worse making this trade.

Have you not seen how well Victor Olofsson can shoot the puck? He has one of the best sniper level shots in the game when he is healthy. Last season we saw his game continue to develop beyond just being a shooter. He spent at least half the year playing through an injury that affected his ability to shoot the puck. Once he got healthy he caught fire again. DeBrusk may provide some physicality that Olofsson does not, but I don’t think he gives enough for this to be considerable.
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27 mai à 14 h 35
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Quoting: hanson493
its like a 20 pick difference... its debrusk and a 2nd for olofsson and a 1st. its not olofsson and a 1st for debrusk.


Nope- no deal
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27 mai à 14 h 36
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its funny you say "keep debrusk" because i actually would rather the goal scorer in this scenario. we have plenty of set up style guys. not enough pure goal scorers like debrusk is. bruins get worse making this trade.


Olofsson is a goal scorer as well
He’s not a set up guy

But cool, if you’re happy with DeBrusk, then u can keep him
Bc i don’t see any way the Sabres would do this
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27 mai à 14 h 37
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Have you not seen how well Victor Olofsson can shoot the puck? He has one of the best sniper level shots in the game when he is healthy. Last season we saw his game continue to develop beyond just being a shooter. He spent at least half the year playing through an injury that affected his ability to shoot the puck. Once he got healthy he caught fire again. DeBrusk may provide some physicality that Olofsson does not, but I don’t think he gives enough for this to be considerable.


did you see the 5v5 and even strength stats above? they played almost the same amount of time in both scenarios and debrusk scored more goals. olofsson had almost half of his production on the pp. debrusk has almost all of his production at 5v5 or even strength. bruins dont need any more pp heros. they need guys who can score at 5v5.
27 mai à 14 h 39
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Quoting: Buffalove
Olofsson is a goal scorer as well
He’s not a set up guy

But cool, if you’re happy with DeBrusk, then u can keep him
Bc i don’t see any way the Sabres would do this


cool never said he wasnt. but i want the guy who puts the puck in the net more at 5v5 and even strength. i value that more as a fan. idc about pp. you SHOULD be scoring at 5v4 if you can remotely shoot the puck lmao.
27 mai à 14 h 49
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cool never said he wasnt. but i want the guy who puts the puck in the net more at 5v5 and even strength. i value that more as a fan. idc about pp. you SHOULD be scoring at 5v4 if you can remotely shoot the puck lmao.


Olofsson is no longer just a “PP specialist”

For example,
This past season:

Olofsson- 20goals, 13 at even strength
That’s 65% at 5v5

Pasternak- 40 goals, 25 at even strength
Are u unhappy with his 62.5% number of goals at even strength?

17 of Bergeron’s 25 goals were even strength, 68%

Taylor Hall had 20goals, and his 13 at even strength were the exact same as Olofsson’s

Soooooo……
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did you see the 5v5 and even strength stats above? they played almost the same amount of time in both scenarios and debrusk scored more goals. olofsson had almost half of his production on the pp. debrusk has almost all of his production at 5v5 or even strength. bruins dont need any more pp heros. they need guys who can score at 5v5.

Metrics are funny. When you think about it, if you have a guy who scores 25 goals a year and 6 of them are empty net goals, another 10 are on the power-play, and the rest are even strength do you really care how he got those 25 goals? Were any of those truly meaningless? I don’t think so.
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27 mai à 16 h 56
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Quoting: Buffalove
Olofsson is no longer just a “PP specialist”

For example,
This past season:

Olofsson- 20goals, 13 at even strength
That’s 65% at 5v5

Pasternak- 40 goals, 25 at even strength
Are u unhappy with his 62.5% number of goals at even strength?

17 of Bergeron’s 25 goals were even strength, 68%

Taylor Hall had 20goals, and his 13 at even strength were the exact same as Olofsson’s

Soooooo……


none of those players were included in the deal. like i said boston doesnt need any more pp guys. im talking total production. youre 5 pp1 players for boston are bergy, pasta, marchy, hall, mcavoy. olofsson isnt getting pp1 time in boston like he is in buffalo. so his 7 pp goals and 13 pp assists are instantly lower.

in the above trade scenario only... debrusk is a better 5v5 and even strength scorer. it doesnt make sense for boston to bring in a guy who is worse at doing that. idc how you slice it. 38 of debrusks 42 points were at even strength. 36 of olofssons 49 were at even strength. knowing that he isnt going to be on the pp which guy are you taking? imo debrusks numbers go up a bunch if he gets pp1 time. if there was a hole and we needed a pp scorer ide welcome olofsson and agree with you. but theres no PP hole here. so youre entire point about % is moot. thats not what we need. we need even strength scoring.
27 mai à 16 h 58
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Metrics are funny. When you think about it, if you have a guy who scores 25 goals a year and 6 of them are empty net goals, another 10 are on the power-play, and the rest are even strength do you really care how he got those 25 goals? Were any of those truly meaningless? I don’t think so.


metrics mean alot in a certain setting. olofsson isnt getting pp time here so those 10 goals are maybe 1. so instead of 25 goals a year hes got 16. vs debrusk had 22 or 23 i forget the actual number AT even strength. idk how many were ENG but that 100% matters to the bruins right now. if there was a PP hole then no it wouldnt as much. but when you need even strength and 5v5 scoring. you naturally factor pp goals out of that point production equation.
27 mai à 17 h 7
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If Buffalo could have Olofsson for 3x3,6 they are NOT trading him along with 1st for DeBrusk
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27 mai à 17 h 17
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none of those players were included in the deal. like i said boston doesnt need any more pp guys. im talking total production. youre 5 pp1 players for boston are bergy, pasta, marchy, hall, mcavoy. olofsson isnt getting pp1 time in boston like he is in buffalo. so his 7 pp goals and 13 pp assists are instantly lower.

in the above trade scenario only... debrusk is a better 5v5 and even strength scorer. it doesnt make sense for boston to bring in a guy who is worse at doing that. idc how you slice it. 38 of debrusks 42 points were at even strength. 36 of olofssons 49 were at even strength. knowing that he isnt going to be on the pp which guy are you taking? imo debrusks numbers go up a bunch if he gets pp1 time. if there was a hole and we needed a pp scorer ide welcome olofsson and agree with you. but theres no PP hole here. so youre entire point about % is moot. thats not what we need. we need even strength scoring.


GREAT

U guys keep DeBrusk, etc c and we’ll keep Olofsson
Like I’ve said multiple times now…. NO DEAL

I’m not the one who proposed this trade
Talk to your fellow Bruins fan
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