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Only Debrincat packages I can see making some sense

Créé par: Wadejos123
Équipe: 2022-23 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 26 mai 2022
Publié: 26 mai 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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CHI
  1. Sharangovich, Yegor
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NJD)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
Don't see NJ parting with Holtz in addition to 2nd OA (and they shouldn't) although Davidson should absolutely be asking for that
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CHI
  1. Gritsyuk, Arseni [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
2022 2nd OA
NJD
    Debrincat
    3.
    CHI
    1. Greig, Ridly
    2. Pinto, Shane
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (OTT)
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        26 mai 2022 à 19 h 1
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        I think that Los Angeles makes that deal in a heartbeat. And if I were the Kings' GM, I'd add a young RD not named Roy, Clarke or Faber.
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        26 mai 2022 à 19 h 2
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        The worst package is the LA one. IMO my favorite one is NJD with two firsts BUT if we aren’t getting holtz and 2nd overall or 2023 1st then just keep DeBrincat for the rebuild.
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        26 mai 2022 à 19 h 3
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        You can have Greig or Pinto.

        Not both.
        26 mai 2022 à 19 h 11
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        Is that supposed to be two firsts in the 2nd trade or is the 2023 first supposed to be a substitute for the 2022 first?

        If it’s two firsts then I prefer the first trade
        If it’s one first then I prefer the second trade
        26 mai 2022 à 19 h 20
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        A top 2 pick has so much value. I think its a straight up swap if anything.
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        26 mai 2022 à 19 h 26
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        Well this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Devils wouldn’t deal Holtz, but they would deal Shanrangovich? Sharangovich is more valuable than Holtz.
        26 mai 2022 à 19 h 31
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        If Chicago trades Debrincat to Ottawa, I'd want Sanderson in return
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        26 mai 2022 à 19 h 56
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        Jersey wouldn’t do any of those. Take 2OA and enjoy the assets instead
        26 mai 2022 à 20 h 29
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        Quoting: Devil
        Is that supposed to be two firsts in the 2nd trade or is the 2023 first supposed to be a substitute for the 2022 first?

        If it’s two firsts then I prefer the first trade
        If it’s one first then I prefer the second trade


        two first's. I'm high on Gritsyuk but I think more of the sure thing in Sarganovich is more valuable
        26 mai 2022 à 20 h 30
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        Quoting: Beetlejuice
        If Chicago trades Debrincat to Ottawa, I'd want Sanderson in return


        Agreed, it's just not going to happen though. Holtz, Luke Hughes, Sanderson aern't moving. No way. Last year when we thought we were going to be decent we all refused Dach in Eichel packages
        26 mai 2022 à 20 h 34
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        Well this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Devils wouldn’t deal Holtz, but they would deal Shanrangovich? Sharangovich is more valuable than Holtz.


        gladly will take Holtz in his place. Long term post trade devils wingers would be:

        Debrincat, Bratt, Gritsyuk, Foote, Holtz, zetterlund, thompson, sarganovich, Mercer (maybe, but probably stays at center?)

        Not no mention guys like tatar, johnson, zacha... who are all this on the roster at least in the short term. Feels like theres room for one of those guys to be moved out
        26 mai 2022 à 20 h 35
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        Quoting: Kyle_Davidson
        The worst package is the LA one. IMO my favorite one is NJD with two firsts BUT if we aren’t getting holtz and 2nd overall or 2023 1st then just keep DeBrincat for the rebuild.


        I don't think 2nd+Holtz is reasonable, but 2nd+Gritsyuk/Sarganovich+2023 1st is a very very good package. I would still prefer to build around Cat but I don't think I could refuse one of those packages
        26 mai 2022 à 20 h 37
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        I think that Los Angeles makes that deal in a heartbeat. And if I were the Kings' GM, I'd add a young RD not named Roy, Clarke or Faber.


        LA deal did feel the weakest of the ones up there. Maybe Turcotte+Grans+both 1st's. Depends how high the hawks are on Turcotte, but I know they liked him in the draft
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        26 mai 2022 à 20 h 37
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        Well this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Devils wouldn’t deal Holtz, but they would deal Shanrangovich? Sharangovich is more valuable than Holtz.


        Quoting: Devil
        Is that supposed to be two firsts in the 2nd trade or is the 2023 first supposed to be a substitute for the 2022 first?

        If it’s two firsts then I prefer the first trade
        If it’s one first then I prefer the second trade


        Would NJ do Mercer+2nd OA for cat?
        26 mai 2022 à 20 h 48
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        Would NJ do Mercer+2nd OA for cat?


        Doubt it. Probably wouldn't be anything beyond 2oa for Debrincat. One for one.
        Also, he doesn't sounds like the type of winger Fitzy has been talking about...so NJD in on Debrincat would surprise me.

        Also, winger market is starting to sound kind of crowded (Fiala, Nylander, Meier, Boeser, etc etc...someone is bound to come cheap)
        26 mai 2022 à 20 h 53
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        Doubt it. Probably wouldn't be anything beyond 2oa for Debrincat. One for one.
        Also, he doesn't sounds like the type of winger Fitzy has been talking about...so NJD in on Debrincat would surprise me.

        Also, winger market is starting to sound kind of crowded (Fiala, Nylander, Meier, Boeser, etc etc...someone is bound to come cheap)


        Why type of winger is he talking about? Like more of a power forward type? Debrincat basically does it all but that. One of the hawks best defensive forwards even including playing top PK minutes this year. Leader in the locker room and future captain if he's here. Plus a proven 40+ goal scorer
        26 mai 2022 à 21 h 1
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        Quoting: CMcAvoy73
        A top 2 pick has so much value. I think its a straight up swap if anything.


        Not worth it for CHI.
        26 mai 2022 à 21 h 20
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        Quoting: Wadejos123
        Why type of winger is he talking about? Like more of a power forward type? Debrincat basically does it all but that. One of the hawks best defensive forwards even including playing top PK minutes this year. Leader in the locker room and future captain if he's here. Plus a proven 40+ goal scorer


        The terminology he has used is "heavier skill". He also said that we have "a lot of the same on the wing" (talking about smaller skilled wingers)..."and I don't want more of the same"

        Specifically, we need to improve in a few areas:

        1. Net front play. We create a lot of scoring chances, but are always near bottom at tipped/deflected shots, and scoring off rebounds. We need a big-body-soft-hands forward to plant in the crease, screen and clean up any pucks that come through. (The other part of this issue is obviously dmen getting the puck through on net. We have a higher % of shots blocked from the point than most teams). An area where Nolan Foote may really help as he develops. And getting Miles Wood back will help mix it near crease too.

        2. Shooting on PP. 100% an area that Debrincat could help with...and him playing on line with Hughes and Mercer is as appealing as anyone. Holtz would be our internal option. But also overall shooting % will improve as young guys develop.

        3. Puck retrieval. Devils do well in possession game, transition and neutral zone. But we need to win more pucks out of the corners to sustain pressure. There are not many obvious internal options here. My guess is Devils end up targeting guys like Crouse, Barbashev, Kunin to fill this need.

        4. Disruption in d-zone. This is probably more of a system thing as we play our centers up high, wingers along the boards...but we need more shot-blocking from the wingers when we are pinned in our zone. I think we were 29th or 30th in league this year in blocking shots from wing. And at one point were allowing more goals too dmen than most teams (at least at the point of Nashville game). Again, probably not a personnel problem as much as it is a system issue.

        DeBrincat would be awesome on Devils, but I don't think he is the guy we say, "OK, he checks all the boxes for us, so worth the 2nd overall"
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        26 mai 2022 à 21 h 28
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        Quoting: NHLfan10506
        The terminology he has used is "heavier skill". He also said that we have "a lot of the same on the wing" (talking about smaller skilled wingers)..."and I don't want more of the same"

        Specifically, we need to improve in a few areas:

        1. Net front play. We create a lot of scoring chances, but are always near bottom at tipped/deflected shots, and scoring off rebounds. We need a big-body-soft-hands forward to plant in the crease, screen and clean up any pucks that come through. (The other part of this issue is obviously dmen getting the puck through on net. We have a higher % of shots blocked from the point than most teams). An area where Nolan Foote may really help as he develops. And getting Miles Wood back will help mix it near crease too.

        2. Shooting on PP. 100% an area that Debrincat could help with...and him playing on line with Hughes and Mercer is as appealing as anyone. Holtz would be our internal option. But also overall shooting % will improve as young guys develop.

        3. Puck retrieval. Devils do well in possession game, transition and neutral zone. But we need to win more pucks out of the corners to sustain pressure. There are not many obvious internal options here. My guess is Devils end up targeting guys like Crouse, Barbashev, Kunin to fill this need.

        4. Disruption in d-zone. This is probably more of a system thing as we play our centers up high, wingers along the boards...but we need more shot-blocking from the wingers when we are pinned in our zone. I think we were 29th or 30th in league this year in blocking shots from wing. And at one point were allowing more goals too dmen than most teams (at least at the point of Nashville game). Again, probably not a personnel problem as much as it is a system issue.

        DeBrincat would be awesome on Devils, but I don't think he is the guy we say, "OK, he checks all the boxes for us, so worth the 2nd overall"


        I mean correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems like your best bet is drafting at 2 OA and trying to throw enough money at Forsberg to get him to come. If you think you can land Forsberg in UFA you draft Nemec at 2 or maybe trade back to around 4 or 5 and take Nemec/Jiricek
         
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