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What would a Wahlstrom trade look like

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Équipe: 2022-23 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 26 mai 2022
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26 mai 2022 à 13 h 17
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Only deal I could realistically see them lining up for on Wahlstrom would be Formenton+something else. 2 young wingers that both teams might want more out of, and Ottawa adds more to make up for the difference in pedigree & the fact that Formenton gets his RFA raise this summer instead of next summer like Wahlstrom.

That being said, I don't like it and I'd rather keep Wahlstrom than move on from him. Lane Lambert gave the "kids" more leash in the handful of games he was in charge this season so I want to see if Wahlstrom can take the next step next season.
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i don’t see him moving in a prospect swap. unless it’s in a package for an established player who fills a clear need (not saying it would happen at all obv but in ottawa’s case like a chabot) i don’t think they deal him rn
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 23
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There is no reason the Isles trade Wahlstrom with Trotz gone and seeing him get a fair shot in the top 6 this year.
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 23
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The only way trading Wahlstrom makes sense is if it’s Wahlstrom + for someone like Batherson. There’s no reason for Ottawa to do that but there’s also no reason for the islanders to trade him unless it’s a clear upgrade. There’s less than a 1% chance isles would trade Wahlstrom for someone like Formenton or Brannstrom.

Wahlstrom has too much upside and fills a need for the isles, there’s no reason to trade him
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 27
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i don’t see him moving in a prospect swap. unless it’s in a package for an established player who fills a clear need (not saying it would happen at all obv but in ottawa’s case like a chabot) i don’t think they deal him rn


You're saying Ottawa trades their franchise defenseman who leads the league in play time for a winger that has struggled a bit offensivley?
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 30
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Only deal I could realistically see them lining up for on Wahlstrom would be Formenton+something else. 2 young wingers that both teams might want more out of, and Ottawa adds more to make up for the difference in pedigree & the fact that Formenton gets his RFA raise this summer instead of next summer like Wahlstrom.

That being said, I don't like it and I'd rather keep Wahlstrom than move on from him. Lane Lambert gave the "kids" more leash in the handful of games he was in charge this season so I want to see if Wahlstrom can take the next step next season.



Totally fair, I think he would fit Ottawa really well.

Would you consider a trade for Connor Brown half retained for the year if he came with an extension?

To NYI
- Connor Brown (3x4 or 4x4 extension)
- Brannstrom


To OTT
- Wahlstrom
- Bellows
- Cap dump
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 34
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Only deal I could realistically see them lining up for on Wahlstrom would be Formenton+something else. 2 young wingers that both teams might want more out of, and Ottawa adds more to make up for the difference in pedigree & the fact that Formenton gets his RFA raise this summer instead of next summer like Wahlstrom.

That being said, I don't like it and I'd rather keep Wahlstrom than move on from him. Lane Lambert gave the "kids" more leash in the handful of games he was in charge this season so I want to see if Wahlstrom can take the next step next season.



Just gotta say, there isn't much difference in petegree considering Formenton came up the summer he was drafted and to me looks like a great Chris Kreider like forward who could potentially (if he starts running goalies over) become that player. I also don't think Ottawa would like to deal him and RFA raises are not going to be all that much for both players so that becomes pretty much a mute point.
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 43
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Totally fair, I think he would fit Ottawa really well.

Would you consider a trade for Connor Brown half retained for the year if he came with an extension?

To NYI
- Connor Brown (3x4 or 4x4 extension)
- Brannstrom


To OTT
- Wahlstrom
- Bellows
- Cap dump


Not even close - You’re asking the islanders to trade a player who perfectly compliments their franchise center. It makes no sense. This is a trade that benefits the senators and screws the isles, it’s just not realistic.
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 44
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You're saying Ottawa trades their franchise defenseman who leads the league in play time for a winger that has struggled a bit offensivley?


i explicitly said they obviously wouldn’t do that, i’m just saying that that’s the position they have the greatest need in and the caliber of player. if they move him IMO it’s as part of a bigger package for an established player like that who can really upgrade the team as opposed to for a formenton type
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 45
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You're saying Ottawa trades their franchise defenseman who leads the league in play time for a winger that has struggled a bit offensivley?


No he’s saying that the only way the isles trade Wahlstrom is for a clear upgrade that fills a need. He even said Ottawa wouldn’t do it.

Btw Wahlstrom hasn’t struggled offensively, he just got buried by Trotz who’s one of the worst coaches in the league at handling young skilled forwards.
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Not even close - You’re asking the islanders to trade a player who perfectly compliments their franchise center. It makes no sense. This is a trade that benefits the senators and screws the isles, it’s just realistic.


You get another Beuvilier like player and a potential legit top 4 really strong offensive defenseman on the other side. And Ottawa gets Wahlstrom who is really the only piece of value tha tthe Islanders are sending.

It's a moot point though cause you think he's worth a 1-1 with Batherson an established player and All-Star.
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 47
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i explicitly said they obviously wouldn’t do that, i’m just saying that that’s the position they have the greatest need in and the caliber of player. if they move him IMO it’s as part of a bigger package for an established player like that who can really upgrade the team as opposed to for a formenton type


Dude, I don't know if Wahlstrom commands the value that it would take to be a centerpiece in a big LD trade. He's had two lackluster seasons (admittedly under Barrie Trots) and has not established himself.
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You get another Beuvilier like player and a potential legit top 4 really strong offensive defenseman on the other side. And Ottawa gets Wahlstrom who is really the only piece of value tha tthe Islanders are sending.

It's a moot point though cause you think he's worth a 1-1 with Batherson an established player and All-Star.


Brown is a poor man’s Beauvillier and he’s going to be 30 soon, you’re not really selling me on trading the isles most dynamic winger. They need more players like Wahlstrom, I don’t know why people like you on this site only look at trades when it could benefit your team and not look at the opposing teams needs.

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit because this is the second time in this thread you’ve done this. I said it would take Wahlstrom + for batherson
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 51
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Dude, I don't know if Wahlstrom commands the value that it would take to be a centerpiece in a big LD trade. He's had two lackluster seasons (admittedly under Barry Trotz) and has not established himself.


i don’t know if he does or not, but he was honestly pretty solid last season. this season was obviously a step back but there’s still talent there. if you’re just trading him for another guy in a similar situation with similar issues, why not just keep the guy you already have? don’t see why you’d move him unless you’re getting a for sure upgrade. i’m sure a package of him + 13OA could bring back a really good player.
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Dude, I don't know if Wahlstrom commands the value that it would take to be a centerpiece in a big LD trade. He's had two lackluster seasons (admittedly under Barrie Trots) and has not established himself.


That is incorrect. Wahlstroms rookie season he finished top 3 among isles forwards in goals per 60 min and was elite on the powerplay. This past season he started the season great, put up 11 pts in 11 games in november and then Trotz buried him because he hates young forwards
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Brown is a poor man’s Beauvillier and he’s going to be 30 soon, you’re not really selling me on trading the isles lost most dynamic winger. They need more players like Wahlstrom, I don’t know why people like you on this site only look at trades when it could benefit your team and not look at the opposing teams needs.

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit because this is the second time in this thread you’ve done this. I said it would take Wahlstrom + for batherson


Brown is 10x better than Beauvillier, he's 28, has gotten selke votes and would thrive in New York's system. He would be a great player to help support Barzal. Wahlstrom has not been established yet in the league and has had two 20 point seasons playing next to Barzal.
26 mai 2022 à 13 h 56
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Brown is 10x better than Beauvillier, he's 28, has gotten selke votes and would thrive in New York's system. He would be a great player to help support Barzal. Wahlstrom has not been established yet in the league and has had two 20 point seasons playing next to Barzal.


You are delusional. Beauvillier is a lot better than Brown, selke votes mean nothing , it’s not like he was in the top 3.

Wahlstrom does not play with Barzal, he plays with Pageau. There’s really not much I’d want from the senators, sorry man Wahlstrom is not available. The islanders will keep their 21 YO with top line upside.
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Brown is 10x better than Beauvillier, he's 28, has gotten selke votes and would thrive in New York's system. He would be a great player to help support Barzal. Wahlstrom has not been established yet in the league and has had two 20 point seasons playing next to Barzal.


I wouldn’t claim Connor brown if he was on waivers , let alone sign him to an extension. The reaching youre doing is insane. Give it up already lol I’ve never seen a teams fanbase who thinks they can acquire teams most valuable assets for scraps. Talking about Brown playing with Barzal lmao
26 mai 2022 à 14 h 12
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Brown is 10x better than Beauvillier, he's 28, has gotten selke votes and would thrive in New York's system. He would be a great player to help support Barzal. Wahlstrom has not been established yet in the league and has had two 20 point seasons playing next to Barzal.


The Islanders already have a Connor Brown at home, he's called JG Pageau (you might remember him?) They also have Casey Cizikas and Cal Clutterbuck in the bottom 6 if they need strong defensive players that can play PK1. They don't need another 40-50 point forward signed into his 30s for $4M+ in AAV.

As far as Wahlstrom, the line he spent the most time on this season was with JGP and Zach Parise, not with Barzal. When he did play with Barzal, it was again with Parise on the LW towards the end of the year when Trotz was giving them 3rd line ice time for some reason - Wahlstrom was routinely getting less than 10:00 TOI. That's again why I said I'd rather keep Wahlstrom than move him, to see if he can find his game under Lane Lambert.

Lastly to touch on what I meant about pedigree - Wahlstrom and Formenton have put up similar numbers thus far in their career (45 pts in 126 GP for Wahlstrom, 39 in 109 for Formenton). Which player do you think is more likely to break out and get to the next level: the 11th overall pick or the guy that stayed on the board til #47? If you trust your scouting department, you'd stick with the player that most people considered a first round talent and who has shown flashes of that play already.
 
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