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Your response reminds me a lot of the Sens’ fans responses when Karlsson was traded to SJ. I thought we traded for fluff as well. Turns out Norris is a 1C, Stutzle is on his way to stardom, Tierney played serviceable years, we should have kept Balcers as a bottom 6 forward. One of the best trades in Sens history and I was livid at the return when it was announced.
I don’t expect other teams’ fan bases to fully understand the value of these prospects. But these are the upper tier of Ottawa prospects in this deal. White admittedly isn’t amongst that group, but his name could be swapped for another prospect. Pinto and Brannstrom plus 7OA is a very nice start to compensation.
If Pasta indicates he wants to wait to negotiate a deal, I’m shipping him out asap, to whatever team will give me the best return, Ottawa or otherwise.
Very good point. I was one of the very few defending the return (not on this forum as I wasn't active here) even though I am not Dorion's biggest fan lol (I routinely call him the worst GM in the NHL)
I was very high on Norris, found Balcers very interesting and realy liked the condition of the Sharks first and once we took Tkachuk and Pavelski left the Sharks, I thought this pick could end up 10th OA (finally ended up on a lot better)
This is the NET return on Erik Karlsson
Tim Stutzle (Sharks 3rd OA pick in 2020)
Mads Sogaard (traded up : Panthers 2019 2nd + Penguins 2019 3rd from Karlsson/Brassard trades)
Zack Ostapchuk (Sharks 2021 2nd round pick)
Leevi Meriläinen (Jets 2020 3rd round pick from DeMelo)
Chris Tierney (not a prospect but was 24 y/o when acquired and could have returned "futures")
The thing is it could have been even better :
- I was very vocal about trading Chris Tierney at his peak value (summer 2019) but it never happened, Dorion re-signed him and then Chris totally lost his value. Could have added a prospect and a 2nd.
- Never should have waived Balcers : it was such a braindead move, just to NOT WAIVE Cedric Paquette, Artem Anisimov or Alex Galchenyuk lol
- Keep DeMelo and sign him him to the contract Winnipeg signed him for, over a 3rd round pick. RD has been a major weakness for this team for a while, DeMelo would have helped, particularly Chabot who didn't have a good partner since DeMelo left, outside of a few games with Zub (but then the rest of the defense was too weak)
- I wanted Scott Morrow or Aatu Raty with the Sharks 2021 2nd round pick, but this might end up ok as Ostapchuk has started breaking out (23 pts in 12 playoffs games)
I took a LOT OF HEAT for defending that return but ended up being right as it is often the case (sorry, hard to not brag here). But no matter how knowledgeable you are on a subject, people won't listen to you on the internet (but might do in real life if they know you). The Karlsson return was not underwhelming for people who know about prospects and young players from other teams. What helped to make it much better was the Sharks decision to let go Joe Pavelski. I knew they were only going down from there.
You are right these packages are very similar. Don't let others tell you they're not. You are BANG ON.
2022 1st round pick (7th OA) vs Sharks 1st round pick
Shane Pinto vs Josh Norris
Roby Järventie vs Rudolfs Balcers
Colin White vs Chris Tierney
Erik Brännström vs DeMelo + 2nd round pick
2022 2nd round pick (TBL) vs 2nd round pick