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Tyler Bertuzzis Trade Value

Créé par: ISeeBlueHeLooks
Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 24 mai 2022
Publié: 24 mai 2022
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Description
One of the biggest disagreements in the ACGMs seems to be over Tyler Bertuzzi's trade value. Most Wings fans insist it would cost an arm and a leg for a team to acquire him, while most other fan bases think they're not living in reality. The vast majority of Bertuzzi trade proposals by fans of other franchises are quickly rebuked by Wings fans with a, "Detroit declines", or a "Detroit declines, and it's not even close". That being the case I thought I might throw a bunch of Bertuzzi trade proposals out there to see if there could be some common ground found. For the purpose of this exercise I made a few assumptions:

1. Bertuzzi is a player valued highly by GMs due to his style of play and how it would translate in the playoffs. He plays a hard game along with being a talented offensive player.

2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.

3. The acquiring team goes into it with the idea of signing him to an extension so they aren't looking at it as a pure one year rental.

4. That his value lies somewhere between "three premium pieces (top prospect(s), high first round picks)" and "Kerfoot and a 2nd".

5. You have to give up value to get value. Paying for a really good player is going to hurt a little.

6. Yzerman would be fine signing him to an extension if the right deal doesn't come around.

In the end I tried to structure the proposals as either:

- a very good prospect and a mid to late first round pick
- a good prospect, a mid to late first, and a second
- two good prospects and a mid to late first
- in the case of Florida, since they have so few picks left, three good prospects and a late second.

Any of these move the needle for any side involved?
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                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 32
                      #76
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      I am triple vaxxed and got covid and it was a cake walk. My friend's wife was in the same boat and ended up in the hospital.

                      The science absolutely proves that the vaccine reduces spread by a huge margin and reduces symptoms by a massive amount as well. Not getting it and refusing masks puts others at risk. It's been proven by science. Too bad way too many say nonsense and throw the word science and now they are experts.


                      So in this anecdotal situation, the individual efficacy of the vaccine is completely random, as you were fine after 3x vax, but your friends wife was not, yet natural immunity has not had this problem.
                      Outside of our ancedotal situation, the risk of hospitalization for triple boosted individuals is quite low. To the point where countries are just treating it as an annual virus from now on. So again, do you not trust the science? If you are 3x vaxxed, you are 94% less likely to be hospitalized than unvaxxed. 0 Covid was never acheivable. So what more do you want? Unvaccinated individuals are not a risk to the vaxxed, its the other way around
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 33
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      when he is not playing in places where unvaccinted are not allowed to, it is obvious. he also said on social media and interviews. Aaron judge was in the same boat before he played in canada and we realized he was vaccinated. So proving u wrong lmao.

                      And yes, lets not spread BS conspiracies on here

                      What conspiracy? You’re all over the place here. Provide one source link where Tyler Bertuzzi (not Todd) said he did it for political reasons. It’s already been stated he had a consultation with his personal doctor and the team doctor about the vaccination during last offseason. It’s also a fact, that non vaccinated players had to do rigorous testing and quarantining versus vaccinated players so one would assume he has something pressing there. Aaron Judge is a different person with different ideals so not really relevant here. So provide one source where Tyler Bertuzzi said he did it solely for political reasons and isn’t some speculation piece.
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 33
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      racism does not require it to be on the base of race. It can be ethnicty or religion as well. being diverse does not mean anything when you are not the majority in the country you are in.

                      Respectfully, you got no idea what youre talking about. goodbye. idc you can think youre right.


                      Lol what an arguement. Provide nothing to the conversation and when every point you make is dismantled, you take your ball and run home. Redefining everything to fit your narrative does not mean youre right. Yes they are included under the umbrella of racism, however that was not the arguement. The arguement was you can not discriminate against someones religious beliefs. Only inherent features such as race. Saying discrimination against someone for their religion is racism only further proves my point rofl. Religion is not an inherent trait and can be discriminated against. Therefore my question above still remains...
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 35
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      So in this anecdotal situation, the individual efficacy of the vaccine is completely random, as you were fine after 3x vax, but your friends wife was not, yet natural immunity has not had this problem.
                      Outside of our ancedotal situation, the risk of hospitalization for triple boosted individuals is quite low. To the point where countries are just treating it as an annual virus from now on. So again, do you not trust the science? If you are 3x vaxxed, you are 94% less likely to be hospitalized than unvaxxed. 0 Covid was never acheivable. So what more do you want? Unvaccinated individuals are not a risk to the vaxxed, its the other way around


                      I have no time for you.
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 41
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                      Quoting: BStinson
                      What conspiracy? You’re all over the place here. Provide one source link where Tyler Bertuzzi (not Todd) said he did it for political reasons. It’s already been stated he had a consultation with his personal doctor and the team doctor about the vaccination during last offseason. It’s also a fact, that non vaccinated players had to do rigorous testing and quarantining versus vaccinated players so one would assume he has something pressing there. Aaron Judge is a different person with different ideals so not really relevant here. So provide one source where Tyler Bertuzzi said he did it solely for political reasons and isn’t some speculation piece.


                      Bertuzzi was not allowed to play in places that had vax requirements. Thats how we know…

                      Judge is similar because he had conspiracies about his vax status too. We found out he was vaxed by him playing in Canada lol.

                      Keep throwing around trigger words plz.
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 42
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      Lol what an arguement. Provide nothing to the conversation and when every point you make is dismantled, you take your ball and run home. Redefining everything to fit your narrative does not mean youre right. Yes they are included under the umbrella of racism, however that was not the arguement. The arguement was you can not discriminate against someones religious beliefs. Only inherent features such as race. Saying discrimination against someone for their religion is racism only further proves my point rofl. Religion is not an inherent trait and can be discriminated against. Therefore my question above still remains...


                      do you think that in the USA, a white person can be a victim of systemic racism? Answer honestly

                      idc if this is unrelated in your eyes. just answer
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 52
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      Bertuzzi was not allowed to play in places that had vax requirements. Thats how we know…

                      Judge is similar because he had conspiracies about his vax status too. We found out he was vaxed by him playing in Canada lol.

                      Keep throwing around trigger words plz.

                      I keep asking for a source and you keep dodging. Your assumption <> fact. Not everything is political. What trigger words are you talking about?
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                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 53
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                      Quoting: BStinson
                      I keep asking for a source and you keep dodging. Your assumption <> fact. Not everything is political. What trigger words are you talking about?


                      source for what? to prove he is unvaccinated?
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 54
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      thats just factually wrong. Like that is just not at all in the slightest true. Like quite literally, factually incorrect


                      It's not actually. Factually it is correct and the science backs it. With these latest variants, it's even more apparent.
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 57
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      source for what? to prove he is unvaccinated?

                      Great troll job, not responding anymore.
                      24 mai 2022 à 13 h 59
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      Cool story, so you are an antivaxer as well. Because none of that is true at all.


                      All of it is true actually if you look at all the data out there.
                      Even more true with the new variants where effectiveness is less than the average flu shot. I'm not against anyone getting it if they feel the need or desire, you do you. It's not for me and certainly shouldn't be a requirement for a young athlete whose had it already
                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 3
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                      Quoting: Chopper02
                      It's not actually. Factually it is correct and the science backs it. With these latest variants, it's even more apparent.


                      these lates variants, its become less effective against preventing cases but far more with deaths. but its still far better than any other measure u could take to prevent covid
                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 4
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                      Quoting: BStinson
                      Great troll job, not responding anymore.


                      dude what u want me to prove? that he didnt get it? that he said he didnt get it? that his doctor said he didnt get it? what
                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 7
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      do you think that in the USA, a white person can be a victim of systemic racism? Answer honestly

                      idc if this is unrelated in your eyes. just answer


                      Systemic racism implies their are laws that benefit one race over others based solely on race. So yes, not only can be, but are: Affirmative action is an easy and shining example of this
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      Systemic racism implies their are laws that benefit one race over others based solely on race. So yes, not only can be, but are: Affirmative action is an easy and shining example of this


                      ok im embarrassed it took me this long to figure out the type of person you are. bye
                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 22
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      ok im embarrassed it took me this long to figure out the type of person you are. bye


                      Analytical and literal? Everyone knows that.
                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 24
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      Analytical and literal? Everyone knows that.


                      anti-facts!
                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 27
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      anti-facts!


                      Rn im the only one providing facts with sources. You cant just claim something is anti-fact because you disagree with it. Thats childish and 'anti-smart'
                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 29
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      do you think that in the USA, a white person can be a victim of systemic racism? Answer honestly

                      idc if this is unrelated in your eyes. just answer


                      Actually yes. There are systems in place that allow companies and governments to hire specifically on the basis that you have to be a person of color and more companies are doing so. If you're not a "protected person" that means the system can be rigged against you.
                      Just look at several universities who are getting away with discriminating admissions practices. When it comes to testing scores asians and whites are discriminated against because they require higher scores than black or hispanic students. That's a systemic racism issue right there against both of those groups.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 30
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                      Quoting: Lenny7
                      Genuinely curious to know what comps you're using here, or is it primarily guess work based on gut feeling that could be potentially biased based on who you cheer for? Not meant as a critique, just curious. I'm sure there are others out there that have been moved in similar circumstances.

                      When it comes to "Yes, he said he's willing to re-sign", sure, everyone typically says that, because it'd be a pretty poor PR move from both sides (Bert side: makes him look bad, Wings side: reduces leverage). Not saying that he won't be extended, because there's a reasonable chance that he is, just throwing this stuff out there into the universe.


                      Nah, they were just semi-educated guesses. I honestly wanted to know if there was some middle ground between the Bertuzzi factions that could be found. I just used the guidelines I listed and used The Athletic's organizational prospect rankings from February to try to stick to them. I tried not to include any personal bias, though I am a Wings fan, by using that outside source as a way to estimate how different prospects are valued in the hockey industry. The biggest pushback seemed to be on Knies and the LA package, which is cool...like I said I was just throwing those proposals to get feedback/a discussion started. Knies had a really good year, but was a late second round pick just a year ago so I didn't think it was an outrageous ask, but apparently Leafs fans think that would be a major overpay. The Kings package was based on the luster having worn off Turcotte quite a bit and I felt that asking for one of their young kids already contributing at the NHL would have been too much. Adding Faber seemed like it wasn't over the top - he was listed as the #7 prospect in their organization, though it is a very strong system - as he seems like a good, but not great asset. I just think Bertuzzi's value is an interesting debate.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 31
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      these lates variants, its become less effective against preventing cases but far more with deaths. but its still far better than any other measure u could take to prevent covid


                      It wasn't even that effective with the alpha variant and didn't stop the spread of the virus. Now I agree, it certainly does help some populations, particularly those who are over 65 and/obese or those with compromised systems. As a whole? It was marginally effective for those who didn't meet that criteria.
                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 35
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                      Quoting: ISeeBlueHeLooks
                      Nah, they were just semi-educated guesses. I honestly wanted to know if there was some middle ground between the Bertuzzi factions that could be found. I just used the guidelines I listed and used The Athletic's organizational prospect rankings from February to try to stick to them. I tried not to include any personal bias, though I am a Wings fan, by using that outside source as a way to estimate how different prospects are valued in the hockey industry. The biggest pushback seemed to be on Knies and the LA package, which is cool...like I said I was just throwing those proposals to get feedback/a discussion started. Knies had a really good year, but was a late second round pick just a year ago so I didn't think it was an outrageous ask, but apparently Leafs fans think that would be a major overpay. The Kings package was based on the luster having worn off Turcotte quite a bit and I felt that asking for one of their young kids already contributing at the NHL would have been too much. Adding Faber seemed like it wasn't over the top - he was listed as the #7 prospect in their organization, though it is a very strong system - as he seems like a good, but not great asset. I just think Bertuzzi's value is an interesting debate.


                      You've certainly sparked quite a... shall we say lively... debate. I appreciated the effort put into this, not simply saying "Detroit gets this" but listing out different points, even if I may disagree with them.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 36
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      I have no time for you.


                      He's not wrong. The shot doesn't prevent transmission nor infections. It's a therapeutic. It works for some, pointless for most because it actually hurt your immune system in the long run and now scientists are starting to see this happening. I encourage anyone over 65 to get one or those with compromised systems.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 14 h 37
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                      Quoting: NoVaSpartan
                      You've certainly sparked quite a... shall we say lively... debate. I appreciated the effort put into this, not simply saying "Detroit gets this" but listing out different points, even if I may disagree with them.


                      Well I certainly didn't it post it to spark another COVID debate...oh well. Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.
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                      Quoting: NoVaSpartan
                      You've certainly sparked quite a... shall we say lively... debate. I appreciated the effort put into this, not simply saying "Detroit gets this" but listing out different points, even if I may disagree with them.


                      I take partial responsibility for this as I certainly have had a big hand in this lively...debate.
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