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Tyler Bertuzzis Trade Value

Créé par: ISeeBlueHeLooks
Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 24 mai 2022
Publié: 24 mai 2022
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Description
One of the biggest disagreements in the ACGMs seems to be over Tyler Bertuzzi's trade value. Most Wings fans insist it would cost an arm and a leg for a team to acquire him, while most other fan bases think they're not living in reality. The vast majority of Bertuzzi trade proposals by fans of other franchises are quickly rebuked by Wings fans with a, "Detroit declines", or a "Detroit declines, and it's not even close". That being the case I thought I might throw a bunch of Bertuzzi trade proposals out there to see if there could be some common ground found. For the purpose of this exercise I made a few assumptions:

1. Bertuzzi is a player valued highly by GMs due to his style of play and how it would translate in the playoffs. He plays a hard game along with being a talented offensive player.

2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.

3. The acquiring team goes into it with the idea of signing him to an extension so they aren't looking at it as a pure one year rental.

4. That his value lies somewhere between "three premium pieces (top prospect(s), high first round picks)" and "Kerfoot and a 2nd".

5. You have to give up value to get value. Paying for a really good player is going to hurt a little.

6. Yzerman would be fine signing him to an extension if the right deal doesn't come around.

In the end I tried to structure the proposals as either:

- a very good prospect and a mid to late first round pick
- a good prospect, a mid to late first, and a second
- two good prospects and a mid to late first
- in the case of Florida, since they have so few picks left, three good prospects and a late second.

Any of these move the needle for any side involved?
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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 28
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                      I kinda like the concept of this, but some of the valuations bug me. For instance, the LA and FLA trades. LA package is way more valuable than the FLA one. STL package also lack in value compared to EDM and NJ packages for example.

                      I find the differential between the packages a bit confusing.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 29
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                      ^ you have LA giving up way more than any other team here which is odd (and i don't even like turcotte)
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 30
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                      Islanders dont do Raty one for one or 13 OA one for one lmao
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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 30
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                      Bertuzzi is not worth near almost any of these, either
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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 31
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                      At the very least, EDM and TOR say absolutely not.

                      Not sure about the rest.
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 35
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                      Nah. Apparently Bertuzzi is only worth a 4th liner, B level prospect and a 2nd round pick. We're much better off re-signing him.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 37
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                      Knies is going to be everything Bertuzzi is now within a couple of seasons and isn't an antivaxer. I wouldn't make that trade ever.
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 40
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                      Quoting: Ritzy
                      At the very least, EDM and TOR say absolutely not.

                      Not sure about the rest.

                      EDM likely says absolutely not, but IDK why the Leafs would. DET says no on the Leafs option.


                      Quoting: bagelbob
                      ^ you have LA giving up way more than any other team here which is odd (and i don't even like turcotte)

                      I don't agree. Turcotte hasn't proven anything and Faber isn't all that special either. I'm not sure Detroit even accepts this one; mostly because Turcotte doesn't look like he'll peak out as anything more than a bottom 6 player at this point.
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 41
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                      Quoting: dtd_tank
                      EDM likely says absolutely not, but IDK why the Leafs would. DET says no on the Leafs option.


                      As of right now, Bertuzzi can't play in Canada. So giving up Knies + a first for a guy who can't play here is why they say no.
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 44
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      Knies is going to be everything Bertuzzi is now within a couple of seasons and isn't an antivaxer. I wouldn't make that trade ever.


                      You know how many times TML fans said last year that Robertson would be better than Bert this year so they wouldn't move him for Bert? Making the bet that Knies will be the same player as Bert is gambling on a few years of AM/MM/Nylander's primes hoping that this guy pans out based on his success in amateur leagues.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 45
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                      Quoting: Ritzy
                      As of right now, Bertuzzi can't play in Canada. So giving up Knies + a first for a guy who can't play here is why they say no.


                      The OP specifically said:
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                      For the purpose of this exercise I made a few assumptions:
                      2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 47
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                      His actual value is irrelevant, because both Bertuzzi and Yzerman have indicated there is no desire to move, so a team would need to overpay to make a deal. If I'm being honest, I don't think a team *should* pay, what he would cost to acquire and I don't see him being moved for that exact reason. Bertuzzi just had a kid and he and his fiancé have expressed their desire to stay and Yzerman wants to extend him, so why move him for anything less than a ransom?
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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 47
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                      Quoting: dtd_tank
                      The OP specifically said:


                      There's no guarantee that happens. We hardly see reported numbers anymore, let alone when further restrictions will be lifted.

                      So, like I said, as of right now TOR says no.
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 49
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                      Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
                      Nah. Apparently Bertuzzi is only worth a 4th liner, B level prospect and a 2nd round pick. We're much better off re-signing him.


                      bro you have A prospects and top 10 picks getting moved for him lmao. he aint worth anywhat close to that lmao
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 51
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      bro you have A prospects and top 10 picks getting moved for him lmao. he aint worth anywhat close to that lmao


                      bro I have no interest in trading Bertuzzi lmao It's hilarious how all these fans of other teams want Bert so badly yet don't want to give anything significant up lmao

                      EDIT: When did Steve Yzerman become a complete dummy? According to CFACGM users he's supposed to be fleeced in every trade and run his team into the ground.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 57
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      Knies is going to be everything Bertuzzi is now within a couple of seasons and isn't an antivaxer. I wouldn't make that trade ever.


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                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 59
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                      Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
                      bro I have no interest in trading Bertuzzi lmao It's hilarious how all these fans of other teams want Bert so badly yet don't want to give anything significant up lmao

                      EDIT: When did Steve Yzerman become a complete dummy? According to CFACGM users he's supposed to be fleeced in every trade and run his team into the ground.


                      Ok so for the islanders they should trade 13OA, a PPG 19 year old in LIIGA (former consensus 1OA pick) and a future 2nd for a PPG NHL player who is a UFA in a few years and has proven that he does not prioritize winning? Really? Id gladly take Nylander or Fiala before him and neither of them cost that much. Bertuzzi is getting back a first and young player. maybe 13OA and Bellows or something.

                      I am sorry but all of these are terrible. Not even close to fair value for him, huge overpays. Nobody is saying he is stupid but this post makes it seems as if the other 31 GMs are stupid
                      24 mai 2022 à 10 h 59
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                      Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
                      Knies is going to be everything Bertuzzi is now within a couple of seasons and isn't an antivaxer. I wouldn't make that trade ever.


                      He doesn't need the vax. He had covid already which makes his immune response to it more robust anyway. It's pointless for most people under age 65.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 1
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                      2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.
                      Canada is the only problem here, and their leadership seems to live in a completely different dimension, so that may not be a given
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 1
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                      He doesn't need the vax. He had covid already which makes his immune response to it more robust anyway. It's pointless for most people under age 65.


                      thats just factually wrong. Like that is just not at all in the slightest true. Like quite literally, factually incorrect
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 1
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                      Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
                      Ok so for the islanders they should trade 13OA, a PPG 19 year old in LIIGA (former consensus 1OA pick) and a future 2nd for a PPG NHL player who is a UFA in a few years and has proven that he does not prioritize winning? Really? Id gladly take Nylander or Fiala before him and neither of them cost that much. Bertuzzi is getting back a first and young player. maybe 13OA and Bellows or something.

                      I am sorry but all of these are terrible. Not even close to fair value for him, huge overpays. Nobody is saying he is stupid but this post makes it seems as if the other 31 GMs are stupid


                      I'm not talking about the trades from this OP. I'm talking about CFACGM Bert trades in general. They're lowball rip off trade offers. Red Wings want him re-signed. Bert wants to stay here. Period. Why is this so hard to understand?
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                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 2
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                      Quoting: Shibbal18
                      2. COVID protocols are eased relatively soon which makes his vaccination status more of a minor issue than a major one.
                      Canada is the only problem here, and their leadership seems to live in a completely different dimension, so that may not be a given


                      its a bigger issue because it shows he is not willing to suck it up to win a cup. He prioritizes being selfish to winning. IDC your stance or not, but to be so stubborn that you wont get a shot to help your team win is stupid.
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 3
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                      Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
                      I'm not talking about the trades from this OP. I'm talking about CFACGM Bert trades in general. They're lowball rip off trade offers. Red Wings want him re-signed. Bert wants to stay here. Period. Why is this so hard to understand?


                      because youre responding to this post lmao?

                      Bertuzzi is getting a first, young player and roster player. Not an A prospect
                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 4
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                      Rangers decline. Bertuzzi does not fix our need of a 2C.
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                      24 mai 2022 à 11 h 6
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                      Way too much from NYI. Isles offer Bellows and a 2023 1st.
                       
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