Was about to say no and then I realized that is two 1st round picks. Still... this doesn't get it done, but it gets a conversation started. Also, no interest in Muzzin.

I wouldn't be okay with this. Muzzin would be considered a cap dump for us. No need for him so that downgrades the late 1st and move from 1st to 2nd round.

I would prefer to chase a 1st and prospect or 2nd with some good prospects added.

Overall I would say its not enticing enough for CHI to pull the trigger.

Btw this is on the presumption Kane would waive for TOR. I don't think he would

Hawks can get much more for Kane.

Minnesota declines again. We have no need for Justin holl and don't want him

kane trade has to be a troll. Aging injury + 2 presumably non lottery 1sts for 2,5 mill retained of Kane?

Fair enough, I feel like Callahan's closet's comparable would be Muzzin on our team. Make no mistake, Muzzin does has value around the league though, so even if Chicago sees him as a dump you can easily flip him to a team for a second (see Nick Leddy).

Why would the Devils do that? Rather have LTIR Bernier.

I'm basing it off a trade that was made between New York and Tampa, I think St. Louis and Kane are a fair trade comparison.

St. Louis was also almost 39 when he was traded, not halfway to 34. Kane's contract is also 4% more of a team's cap hit than Marty contract (after 2013 cap comparison), but retaining that would make him a cheaper comparison. Kane also just had his 3rd highest point total season of his career, on a struggling Chicago team. St. Louis was still putting up 60+, but was almost retired and had many more better seasons. Considering Kane would have a reason to stay being local, if they keep him or not
should warrant multiple conditional 1sts. And retaining, even on a team that has room, still has value

TLDR: younger, cheaper, more productive player that could still play multiple years for them, vs 1 1/2 years of an older player

I mean, I'm willing to be wrong about it but I think the days of trading top prospects for Rentals are over. Giroux got a 1st, and a B level prospect this past year.

You're comparing Giroux to Patty Kane? LOL

I mean that is a fair assessment, I guess we'll have to wait and see what he does fetch on the open market. Maybe the Rangers can give the best proposal? Kratsov, Lundkvist and a 1st. But then I feel like Rangers fans will say no to that

Why wouldn't I? Kane might have had more points but Giroux is still a two-way demon who can play center. Giroux was literally in the Hart conversation more recently than Kane was.

Yeah honestly thats the only trade that I cant really defend all too much. During the deadline I had a discussion with a Devils fan about a Bernier/Mrazek swap and they seemed to think it made sense.

Yeah, I didn't mean specifically to the Wild. I think that's just what Holl would fetch around the League

I think those are all fair points TBH, I was spit balling mostly. Maybe St. Louis wasnt the best comparable then, what in your mind would be a fair comparison? Giroux is the other that comes to mind for me

They are not a bright Devil fan then. They come from the short-sighted breed that was tired of watching Gillies and Hammond in net.

Honestly I don't think he would go to a Canadian team. I could see him at NYR or LAK but I truly believe he will stay put and re-up with CHI.

As for what it would take. I would feel there would be competition which would result in a slight overpay. See my ACGM https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/587333?post_id=3244021 for a Kane proposal.

I think it was more frustration about putting Dawes in net so young, just from an outsider's POV it looks like theres going to be a ton of movement from the Devil's when it comes to their goaltenders

That sucks, its too bad that the tax situation is so extreme for these guys.

Even though I'm not too high on Kakko, I understand why they wouldn't do that trade. Top prospects rarely move nowadays until theyre confirmed busts like Glass or Patrick and at that point they have zero value. Also for my money I think Kane is a lifelong Blackhawk, this thread was mostly for fun anyhow.

I understood the frustration of leaning on Dawes, but getting a bad goalie on an extended contract is not really a plan...it's a very short term POSSIBILITY of a boost over Gillies in net, but by the time that happened the season for all intensive purposes was over. I just learned to watch games where the score didn't matter....because more than likely our goalie would give up well beyond the expected goals, and learn to appreciate our offense. We shut down a lot of guys by the end of the season because "what is the point?" mode of thinking...

I would defend them in terms of being as bad as Arizona....The Coyotes meant to be bad. The Devils had so much bad luck with injuries...and a knucklehead goalie that we thought we could have relied on in Blackwood, and things went off the tracks. What I will say is Fitz has built a team with very limited "bad contracts" that would stunt the growth. I fully expect him to be big in on Campbell, Husso, Raanta (unlikely from an indivisional opp), or a slew of other goalies that need to be moved or are UFAs. I'll give Blackwood one more year before I accept he is bad.

I think those are all fair points, for what its worth I had Jersey being the second wildcard coming into the season. Speaking of Blackwood what do you think the price for him would be atm?

That's incredibly hard to say without the Devils having a goalie they know they can go to. if the Devils acquired a goalie like Campbell in free agency or some other equivalent that needs to be traded from their current team, then maybe I'd have more an idea. At this point, he's the only goalie the Devils have to run with next year as Bernier may be done and I wouldn't want to hand off to Dawes yet.

At worst the Devils into next year with Blackwood and Dawes as the two goalies and see if Dawes getting more rest than having to play what I think was three back to backs and however many in a row total can put together a decent season.

For me, I wouldn't want to trade Blackwood in any case (unless a team blew me out of the water) as I have seen the potential, but I don't know how much was mental this past season, how much was his heel, and how much was him being what he is.

The way I look at it is, the Devils should get a Campbell, Husso, or whatever 1A goalie, any UFA probably being at least four years. If it is a Talbot (if they tried to move him to keep Fleury say), then it's only one year. Blackwood is what he is next season, for better or worse, no excuses. If he flies, then we run a two goalie system for the next four years or so. If he sucks, then move him for whatever they can get and go ahead with Dawes.

True. MIGHT be able to flip him. But also, Muzzin could be a good guy to have around in CHI for all the young defensemen to learn from. He might even be a good temporary partner for Jones while the young guys develop. That all being said, I still don't think it's enough.

I feel like a lot of those guys are going to want major money and term though, which is why I was suggesting Mrazek in the first place. He's one season removed from posting career numbers. Fair play about Blackwood though selling low on him would be a mistake in my eyes he was going to be in the running for Team Canada's 3rd stringer for the olympics IMO