In what world is bertuzzi worth more than nylander smdh

No thanks lol

and letang would never even consider to play for Detroit... plus pit matches that eventually

Why is Toronto adding

No thanks William Nylander is soft as butter. Not giving up a rugged Tyler Bertuzzi for a soft William Nylander.

Ask any Detroit fan and they'll tell you Bertuzzi > Nylander.

Note - I don't agree with them.

Nylander is likely the better offensive player, that said Bertuzzi is no slouch in that regard. But Bertuzzi plays a full 200 foot game, nylander is not good defensively. I would take Bertuzzi over Nylander any day personally. I could get into more stats but it's not really with the argument.

The world that exists outside your mind.

Nylander has more value. He's younger. Stays healthy and puts up better numbers than Bert does. Plus he has more term left on his contract.

But if I'm trying to win a Cup in the playoffs I'm taking Bert over Willie in a heartbeat. It's unfortunate Bert hasn't had an opportunity to play in the playoffs because he's literally made for them.

So I know nylander is a bit soft and i love bert but id do a Bert for nylander deal. He drives the play with speed and he's so skilled. the trades a bit off, take the 3rd ofF nylander put a 3rd with bert

Honestly I'd rather have Bertuzzi mostly because he isn't completely useless in the defensive zone.

Bertuzzi has 1 season better than a 50 point pace. Yes its true points arent the best evaluator but that tells a big story compared to a guy whos consistently on a 75-80 point pace.
Its not even close willy is so much better than bert.

What makes bertuzzi better than nylander?

Better two way game and physical presence I suppose.

Plus Nylander is a PP merchant. He doesn't produce that much on even strength.

Of the two I probably slightly prefer Nylander based on his skillset and longer term but there's only a little difference between them.

This is Nylanders first season at a 75-80 point pace so that argument isn't that strong. Last 5 seasons his point pace has been 61, 50, 71, 66, and 80 this year. Yes its more than Bertuzzi but you could also argue that he's on a far superior offensive team, partially to do with him as well. He's a very good offensive player but that's where his game stops. Now Nylander is a year younger with an extra year of term so that helps his value a bit. But coming down to the value part of it Detroit has absolutely no reason to trade Bertuzzi at all. They plan on getting an extension done as soon as possible. If Toronto wanted to trade Nylander for Bertuzzi they would have to offer up something more otherwise why do it? Toronto is the team with the cap issue, they are the ones pressed to make it out of the first round. There is a reason every second Toronto AGM has Nylander for Bertuzzi on here because they know he is the type of player they are lacking and that Nylander is soft. What would you say to a Morgan Reilly and Adam Pelech trade? I feel that's a pretty close comparable for the islanders and Toronto. Obviously the islanders have to add since Reilly is such a better player.

This is just straight up not true. He's like a top 30 player in even strength/5v5 points and about 1/3 of his points come on the PP which is very consistent for players of that range.

This year he's got 31 points on PP, 49 on even strength. Tied 13th in PP points league wide and 53rd in even strength points.

When you've got a little under half of your points on PP you might as well just get called a PP merchant.

So one season paints a completely accurate picture of who a player is? Over the last three years it's about a third of his points on the PP, which isn't an outlier in either direction among elite players.

No, but points wise this is his best year by a decent margin and his production mainly happened during power plays.

It doesn't give you the full picture, but it tells a story of what's been going on recently

His production didn't mainly happen during powerplays. Still had over 60% of his points at ES. Is it an uptick in PP points in comparison to the rest of his career? Sure. But that hardly all of a sudden makes him a PP merchant that doesn't produce that much on even strength.

Its not close. Nylander is a consistent elite offensive player. Bertuzzi had 1 season at a better than ~50 point pace.

Isles shouldnt touch that deal but thats beside the point. Your entire argument is detroit has no need to move him and since toronto wants him they have to pay extra on an acgm that is detroit trading for nylander 🤦🤦🤦

You got me here, but the majority of these trades are made by Toronto fans. For us it's the same as Pelech for Reilly. We don't want to trade Bertuzzi unless it's for a kings ransom.

Technically that is not true.

He's been on over 50+ point pace on every year since 2018-19 on a full year basis.

It's not exactly his fault the seasons have been cut short or he's got some injuries to deal with, but thus far his totals have been

2018-19: Scored 47 points in 73 games, which equals to 53 point pace in 82 games
2019-20: Scored 48 points in 71 games, which equals to 55 point pace in 82 games
2020-21: Scored 7 points in 9 games due to injury, which equals to 64 point pace in 82 games
2021-22: Scored 62 points in 68 games, which equals to 75 point pace in 82 games

Let's compare this to Nylander's point pace in 82 game seasons

2018-19: Scored 27 points in 54 games, which equals to 41 point pace in 82 games, granted this is his worst year by far and was influenced heavily by him sitting out for the early season
2019-20: Scored 59 points in 68 games, which equals to 71 point pace in 82 games
2020-21: Scored 42 points in 51 games, which equals to 67 point pace in 82 games
2021-22: Scored 80 points in 81 games, which equals to 81 point pace in 82 games

To summarize, Nylander has an edge towards Bertuzzi in terms of scoring, but in terms of scoring pace on a yearly basis we're talking about around 10 point difference per year, and more recently not even that. To add here, Bertuzzi plays better two way game and at least compared to Nylander he also plays in significantly worse team which definitely has an impact to those numbers.

My conclusion based on these very basic readings is that Nylander is probably the better player of the two, but the difference is much closer than you think. And if Bertuzzi had more term in his contract I'd perfectly understand why DET fans would decline trading Bertuzzi for Nylander, even though right now I'd still perceive Nylander to have more value of the two.

I havemt seen a single rielly for pelech trade but i see a ton of bert for willy trades