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Slightly more realistic habs offseason

Créé par: ajitovitch
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 21 mai 2022
Publié: 21 mai 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Lmk your thoughts! I think in the Fiala sweepstakes, Dumba has negative value (they're incredibly cap-strapped), and a late 1st, and earlyish 2nd + bonus 5th is more than they'd get in an offer sheet.
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RFAANSCAP HIT
3925 000 $
2750 000 $
31 700 000 $
2750 000 $
33 000 000 $
3850 000 $
33 300 000 $
33 300 000 $
1750 000 $
1750 000 $
2800 000 $
36 750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
22 500 000 $
1750 000 $
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MTL
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
SEA
  1. Hoffman, Mike
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
2.
MTL
  1. Gurianov, Denis [Droits de RFA]
  2. Khudobin, Anton
  3. Tufte, Riley [Droits de RFA]
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
3.
MTL
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (LAK)
4.
MTL
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Droits de RFA]
EDM
  1. Allen, Jake (1 437 500 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
5.
MTL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NYI)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
6.
MTL
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Fiala, Kevin [Droits de RFA]
MIN
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
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AG, AD
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UFA - 8
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
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UFA - 3
3 300 000 $3 300 000 $
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UFA - 1
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
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UFA - 3
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
3 300 000 $3 300 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 4
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875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $
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UFA - 2
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842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance507 500 $$508K)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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850 000 $850 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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21 mai 2022 à 20 h 2
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Not very realistic, since the wild are gonna get better offers
21 mai 2022 à 20 h 3
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I like most deals for MTL, but I think it's wishful thinking that any team takes on Armia's full cap until he gets back to his Stanley Cup run form. Pretty much the only stretch in his career that he was worth $3.4M.

I also think Minnesota would be looking for at least one good, established & cheap NHLer and they probably only deal one of Dumba/Fiala.

Edit: Just saw the description - Dumba is no negative value, teams would line up for a top 4 RHD if he's made available regardless of Minnesota's cap situation.
21 mai 2022 à 20 h 13
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In what world does a top 4 rd have negative value
21 mai 2022 à 20 h 16
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laugh Major overpay for jeff Petry.

That doesn't get Fiala and Dumba, And Fiala isn't signing for anything less than $7,500,000 x 8 years to $8,000,000 x 8 years

Weber is done, You wont get more than a 5th round pick for him.
21 mai 2022 à 20 h 26
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We'll save the best part here for last...

-Seattle doesn't need a 32 year old RW who didn't score goals last season. You gotta do better than a 4th to get them to eat 2x$4.5M - the Coyotes got two 2nds to eat 2 years of Andrew Ladd's $5.5M, and he was only slated to get paid a $4M salary those years - Hoffman is actually paid more than his cap hit for 2022-23/23-24. Gotta start with a pair of 2nds to get the Kraken to bite.

-Petry makes sense for Dallas if Klingberg leaves, but not at that price. Take out the pick and Khudobin's contract (rumor has it he's LTIRetiring, which means his deal has *some* value to a cap team) and you might have something going.

-No one is giving up anything of value for 3X$3.4M left on Joel Armia's deal. You're stuck with him unless you staple a 2nd rounder or a prospect to his back.

-I can't see Edmonton making this deal, if only because they already have Mike Smith & Stuart Skinner as their goalies next year, and they have to keep Skinner at the NHL level or risk losing him through waivers. I think they might do this deal if you took Mike Smith back and kept it at 2 goalies for them - which I think lets you downgrade that 2nd rounder to a 3rd/4th and have the deal make more sense. I still think they get a better offer for Pool Party, though.

-Probably fair value for that Weber deal? Arizona loves a deal where they get a deal on cap hit.

-Lastly, in no world does Dumba have negative value. He's a bonafide top 4, on an expiring deal, with a manageable(to most) cap hit of $6M. Yeah, Guerin has to move cap, but he could just as easily offload depth guys like Tyson Jost & Dmitry Kulikov to get that space for dumping Dumba for nothing. This deal is probably too weak to get you Fiala, much less have Dumba added in.
21 mai 2022 à 20 h 41
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Don't think Dallas is any rush to trade Dumba, but take out Fiala and adjust your offer?
21 mai 2022 à 21 h 25
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Why would Arizona pay for Weber? I understand they need to get to cap floor with lower cash expense, but if anything should be a “future considerations” type deal
21 mai 2022 à 21 h 34
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Why would Arizona pay for Weber? I understand they need to get to cap floor with lower cash expense, but if anything should be a “future considerations” type deal


His money is insured… it’s basically a free way to hit the cap floor. A 2nd and a 3rd might even be too low
21 mai 2022 à 23 h 9
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Wow, this looks like a superb job at 1st glance

I think Monty signs 2 years max, as he can probably get a higher pay raise quicker
Same probably for Pitlick, most likely gets 2.2m × 2
I think Pulijujarvi takes 2 years at a higher aav. Most likely 3,7m @ 2y
Fiala probably wants a longterm deal, maybe at 7,25m. As for only 3 years, he probably asks for 8,7m

Rest of the signings are fine

If we have to pay to get rid of, Hoffman, I rather just keep him. He can probably get a 3rd form a team

That's perfect value for Jeff, I love that

For Armia, I know his value is low currently, but that shouldn't be his value. He's a great versatile 3rd liner, but I'd keep him unless we get a 3rd from a team. Truthfully, I doubt he can get that, but maybe we wait till January, to see if his value rises for us to trade him. He's still capable of 15 goals and 40 points IMO

I like that offer for Pulijujarvi, makes sense

That's exactly what i said Weber will get, yet another great proposal

For Dumba, I wouldn't say he's a cap dump. At this point , if he is, Petry is too, therefore Dumbas value is around a 2nd or so. Is Fiala worth 1st + 5th? IMO that isn't enough, maybe we add a prospect, like Harris or something and switch the 5th to a center prospect like mysak or kapanen, to make the deal: 1st + Harris + Mysak + 3rd for Fiala + Dumba

As for the team, I don't really know what you're trying to do. This team isn't young, I doubt it's able to go I the playoffs, and it's not a bottom 5 team. But, if it's a step in the direction to contend the year after this , then that's fine. But I'll tell you, this team ain't going anywhere.

Things I would switch: I don't really like that goaltending tandem, with the question mark of prices future, and the incapability of Montembeault being a starter, that can drag the team down. I would explore acquiring Marc André Fleury through free agency, I'd expect him to be cheap.
Or, we can go for a young goaltender, like, samsonov or vanecek or nedeljkovic or stolarz or hill
Lots of options

I would explore trading Gallagher and keeping 1 of Hoffman or Armia, gallys body is breaking down, wants to go to a contender, and has a contract that won't be amazing in the near future. Also, gurianov deserves 3rd line minutes

Drouin is still on LTIR, he will be ready at training camp, and Price is 90% retiring

Overall, not bad!
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22 mai 2022 à 8 h 56
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Wow, this looks like a superb job at 1st glance

I think Monty signs 2 years max, as he can probably get a higher pay raise quicker
Same probably for Pitlick, most likely gets 2.2m × 2
I think Pulijujarvi takes 2 years at a higher aav. Most likely 3,7m 2y
Fiala probably wants a longterm deal, maybe at 7,25m. As for only 3 years, he probably asks for 8,7m

Rest of the signings are fine

If we have to pay to get rid of, Hoffman, I rather just keep him. He can probably get a 3rd form a team

That's perfect value for Jeff, I love that

For Armia, I know his value is low currently, but that shouldn't be his value. He's a great versatile 3rd liner, but I'd keep him unless we get a 3rd from a team. Truthfully, I doubt he can get that, but maybe we wait till January, to see if his value rises for us to trade him. He's still capable of 15 goals and 40 points IMO

I like that offer for Pulijujarvi, makes sense

That's exactly what i said Weber will get, yet another great proposal

For Dumba, I wouldn't say he's a cap dump. At this point , if he is, Petry is too, therefore Dumbas value is around a 2nd or so. Is Fiala worth 1st + 5th? IMO that isn't enough, maybe we add a prospect, like Harris or something and switch the 5th to a center prospect like mysak or kapanen, to make the deal: 1st + Harris + Mysak + 3rd for Fiala + Dumba

As for the team, I don't really know what you're trying to do. This team isn't young, I doubt it's able to go I the playoffs, and it's not a bottom 5 team. But, if it's a step in the direction to contend the year after this , then that's fine. But I'll tell you, this team ain't going anywhere.

Things I would switch: I don't really like that goaltending tandem, with the question mark of prices future, and the incapability of Montembeault being a starter, that can drag the team down. I would explore acquiring Marc André Fleury through free agency, I'd expect him to be cheap.
Or, we can go for a young goaltender, like, samsonov or vanecek or nedeljkovic or stolarz or hill
Lots of options

I would explore trading Gallagher and keeping 1 of Hoffman or Armia, gallys body is breaking down, wants to go to a contender, and has a contract that won't be amazing in the near future. Also, gurianov deserves 3rd line minutes

Drouin is still on LTIR, he will be ready at training camp, and Price is 90% retiring

Overall, not bad!


Thanks for the feedback!
I think my take on Dumba might have been a little optimistic - based on MIN’s cap situation, so I think he’s worth around a 2nd.. I would absolutely be willing to add on to that Fiala deal if I was HuGo.
I would love to trade Gally, but I’m worried we’d have to pay to get rid of him - at that point I think it would be too painful for the fans.

Thanks again!
22 mai 2022 à 17 h 6
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Quoting: ajitovitch
Thanks for the feedback!
I think my take on Dumba might have been a little optimistic - based on MIN’s cap situation, so I think he’s worth around a 2nd.. I would absolutely be willing to add on to that Fiala deal if I was HuGo.
I would love to trade Gally, but I’m worried we’d have to pay to get rid of him - at that point I think it would be too painful for the fans.

Thanks again!


Exactly.
As for Gallagher, I think a team would be willing to acquire him, he doesn't have negative value, or else, I wouldn't bring up the thought to trade him.

Soderstrom + 3rd for Gallagher + Tuch + 5th

What do you think?

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29 mai 2022 à 12 h 24
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Exactly.
As for Gallagher, I think a team would be willing to acquire him, he doesn't have negative value, or else, I wouldn't bring up the thought to trade him.

Soderstrom + 3rd for Gallagher + Tuch + 5th

What do you think?

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Yeah I am! I like that trade a lot… I actually saw somebody saying Calgary as a fit for Gallagher (if we take on Monahan or Lucic), but I like yours a lot.
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