Don't take this one seriously. I know it's not that realistic.
Also. I had NO idea what the value for Jokiharju would be. I just know Buffalo is interested in veteran dmen to mentor Power and Dahlin a bit more. I've heard some Sabres fans say how bad Jokiharju is and how they'd trade him for a bag of chips and I've also heard some say he's actually decent so I might be WAY off in value on that trade I legit have no clue.
Kings have stated they want to get more depth scoring and want to get a little "tougher to play against" and McGinn provides both of those things over Lemieux. Yeah I know Lemieux is a "tough guy" but he's not exactly "tough to play against" like McGinn is.
Fiala I just based to value off of what the Reinhart and Lekhonnen deal was. He's better than both of them so, a young NHL caliber forward (which MIN needs badly), a top 6 caliber prospect, and mid/late 1st. Contract wise, I viewed it as him taking slightly less in order to set himself up for a HUGE payday at his next deal, while still making quite a bit now. Market value im seeing for him is 7.0 to 7.5? This accurate?
Zucker is basically a cap dump for picks. Doesn't have to be OTT. Just any team that wants him for any picks really. There's definitely a market for him despite his injury concerns.
Boeser deal I once again was lost on value. I'm basing it off of what the reported value was for him at the TD. I also heard a report that the Canucks value Garland as high Boeser which if true is interesting. I know the Canucks are SUPER horny for Marino though so I could see this happening.
As for the contract. Letang takes a longer term for slightly less money in order to stay, Geno re-ups until the remainder of Sids deal, MAF is back in town to be a relief goalie to Jarry, and we ride again.
The new 4th line has some grit to it that the Pens have been missing, as well as a legitimate enforcer to protect the stars, I personally would put Blueger as the 3C but we all know as long as Carter is in town Sullivan wont do that. Which is dumb. But nevertheless, Bluegers got some spark, Lemieux as we all know is a tank, and Zohorna is 6'6 220 with TONS of speed for a big guy. Would be super fun to watch that 4th line fly around out there.
The third line could really be what sinks this team. My thought process was. Okay Carter is here to stay unfortunately. Might as well put the two speediest wingers I know of (that are of third line caliber) beside him in order to make up for his age and lack of speed. I think Kap re-signs based on his RFA status. His QO would only be 1x840k which he'd obviously decline and at arbitration he'd be set to make a MINIMUM of 1x2.72mil so I figure a 2 year 2.2 mil deal would be enough to let him avoid arbitration. Even if it is a slight overpay for the Pens. That third line would be very interesting though. A big, slow, veteran sniper in the middle who wins tons of draws, with two speedy two way guys on the outside of him. Could be good. Could be brutal. Would be an interesting experiment I'd say. One I'd be willing to gamble on IF you could sort out the top 6 like I propose.
2nd Line is obvious. Two elite scoring wingers to pair with G. Trade value is high for them. Price tag is high for them. But I think both are decently realistic deals and I think both would sign for that price, considering what the Pens could offer them in-terms of competitive play. I think Fiala is a better player than Boeser, but I think they'll get similar deals this offseason so I pegged them both in at the same price. Geno would be happy. He's got two, young, scoring wingers to help keep him going a few more years. This would actually be good for the Pens POST Crosby/Malkin era as they'd have a forward core of Jake, Fiala, and Boeser. Not bad if they can find a centerman.
1st line is the first line. Rak re-signs at a lower price than Rust so he's the easy replacement there. I think Rakell seems like the type of dude to take less to stay in Pitt. He seems to really like it here. I see most people giving him a 5x5 or a 5x5.5 but I could see a 6x4.5. Slightly less money for one extra year. I'd do that if I'm the Pens.
This D core would be extremely hit or miss. Essentially. If Matheson repeats what he did last season. And Jokiharju is top 4 worthy to pair with the defensive minded Pettersson. We'd be fine. The bottom pair you'd just find some mix and match of Stone, Ruh, POJ, and if needed Freidman. All 4 can play bottom pair you just have to find what fits. I really like Stone. I think he's looked great for Calgary this playoffs so far and if you could get him on a sub 1.25mil deal, I'd do it. Good third pair guy who can play PK and PP if really needed.
Let me know what you guys think, both of the value of the trades, the value of the contracts, and overall how we'd feel if this was our offseason. We're continuing to mortgage our future picks and prospects yes. But if it means we're competitive during the finals 3-5 years of Sid/Geno/Letang. Im all for it.
Doesn't have to be OTT. It was mainly just a player for picks trade to whoever wants him. Zuck is worth some value still he's a pretty good middle 6 guy just has injury concerns. His deal only having 1 year left makes him very moveable too. Some teams like him, I just picked Ott cause why not. Dont read too much into that trade for Ottawa's sake. I just picked them because I saw them first lmao
I very much doubt Buffalo would give up on Jokiharju. Especially since he just signed a multi year deal a year ago, and Dumoulin would be gone in one year.
I very much doubt Buffalo would give up on Jokiharju. Especially since he just signed a multi year deal a year ago, and Dumoulin would be gone in one year.
I'm seeing tons of reports that Buffalo is "extremely interested" in veteran dmen. Like I mentioned in the description though, I have NO idea what Jokiharju's value is. Some people have him as a legit top 4 guy, some say he's garbage and should be shipped out for a 7th. Depends on which sabres fan you ask I guess...
I honestly dont mind this at all however i think boeser fiala and Athanasiou should be making at least a million less each. Especially Athanasiou, he's no top 6 scoring winger like evander kane, brock boeser, clayton keller so he's expendable so if hes not willing to take less then oh well dont need him
I'm seeing tons of reports that Buffalo is "extremely interested" in veteran dmen. Like I mentioned in the description though, I have NO idea what Jokiharju's value is. Some people have him as a legit top 4 guy, some say he's garbage and should be shipped out for a 7th. Depends on which sabres fan you ask I guess...
He wasn't good when he was paired with Dahlin. Something about those 2 together just didn't seem to work despite how much Granato kept trying. When they Moved Dahlin to the right with Samuelsson and paired Joker with Power instead he looked much much better. He's not a top pairing guy, but I think he can still be relatively solid on the 2nd pairing, and he's still pretty young.
I'm seeing tons of reports that Buffalo is "extremely interested" in veteran dmen. Like I mentioned in the description though, I have NO idea what Jokiharju's value is. Some people have him as a legit top 4 guy, some say he's garbage and should be shipped out for a 7th. Depends on which sabres fan you ask I guess...
Nobody thinks he should be shipped out for a 7th lol.
Has he struggles with consistency, yes. But at the least he is a solid 3rd pairing guy with the tools to be a great top 4. It's not worth to trade the youth, upside, cost controlled guy like Joki for an aging dman thay helps for maybe one year.
Nobody thinks he should be shipped out for a 7th lol.
Has he struggles with consistency, yes. But at the least he is a solid 3rd pairing guy with the tools to be a great top 4. It's not worth to trade the youth, upside, cost controlled guy like Joki for an aging dman thay helps for maybe one year.
I'd counter with dumo for a 3rd.
I would go are 4th, we are still helping them eating 4m
One thing we have an excess of is left-handed forwards, so we shouldn't be exchanging one (Lemieux) for another (McGinn), especially if it means we give up our toughest player and a draft pick, too.
Honestly the first good trade proposal I've seen for Boeser canucks consider it for sure
I was thinking it's close. Marino is good. He's not elite, but he's good. He's a good top 4 guy at a young age, signed to term at a reasonable price. Plus canucks really need help at RD and Rutherford LOVES Marino. Boeser well, we all know what he is. He's an elite scoring winger with not much of a defensive presence. He actually reminds me a lot of like a slower version of a prime Kessel. This year was obviously a down year production wise but I think if you slide Boeser beside a Geno or Sid it would be obvious that his production would return to that 70ish point pace.
I think that's a trade that makes sense for each team involved, although with the Pens re-signing Rust today, it does change things a bit. All of the sudden there is only ONE spot on the top6 right side, not two.
Sabres absolutely decline
Not giving up years of Jokiharju for 1 year of Dumoulin
I could see us having interest in Dumoulin,
but for something like a 3rd
To be fair, I honestly didn't know at all what the market for Joki would be. If there was a 4th round thrown in with it, does that make it go through? I honestly dont know what it would take im just asking so I can get a better judge of his value. In my defense though. What would an extra 4th do for the Sabres other than bring the value closer. They'd prolly want a younger NHL caliber guy, maybe a Drew O'Connor or a Radim Zohorna as well, might make it go through? I dont know...
One thing we have an excess of is left-handed forwards, so we shouldn't be exchanging one (Lemieux) for another (McGinn), especially if it means we give up our toughest player and a draft pick, too.
I get what your saying, preferrably you'd get a RH guy. But if you're offered McGinn for Lemieux straight up you take it. At what point does the pick make the trade worthy? A fourth? A fifth?
Nobody thinks he should be shipped out for a 7th lol.
Has he struggles with consistency, yes. But at the least he is a solid 3rd pairing guy with the tools to be a great top 4. It's not worth to trade the youth, upside, cost controlled guy like Joki for an aging dman thay helps for maybe one year.
I'd counter with dumo for a 3rd.
It was more of a figure of speech when I said he should be shipped out for a 7th. It's more so just a point of saying that some fans think he's absolutely trash. I personally dont, but this hesitancy from certain people is what makes it really hard to come up with his market value. I think the handedness of Dumo being a LHD and Joki being RHD makes this harder I agree.
Pens decline Dumo for a third, so if they counter with Dumo + a 3rd rounder for Joki + 5th rounder, then what? Is moving up 2 rounds in the draft worth it at that point?
To me it isnt, and by the sounds of it, to you it isnt either? But Buffalo is reported to be interested in Dumoluin that's why I chose to send him there. So they might value him higher than you or me do.
I honestly dont mind this at all however i think boeser fiala and Athanasiou should be making at least a million less each. Especially Athanasiou, he's no top 6 scoring winger like evander kane, brock boeser, clayton keller so he's expendable so if hes not willing to take less then oh well dont need him
2mil is really good value for a third line guy, idk what you're talking about. There's no shot he'd take 1mil. I never once said he's a top 6 caliber guy, hence why I slotted him on the third, and like I said. If you can sign you 3rd line wingers for 2mil thats great value if they produce 30-45 points.
To be fair, I honestly didn't know at all what the market for Joki would be. If there was a 4th round thrown in with it, does that make it go through? I honestly dont know what it would take im just asking so I can get a better judge of his value. In my defense though. What would an extra 4th do for the Sabres other than bring the value closer. They'd prolly want a younger NHL caliber guy, maybe a Drew O'Connor or a Radim Zohorna as well, might make it go through? I dont know...
Jokiharju is the only RD we have signed for next year
I wouldn’t say he’s untouchable, but we’d have to add at least 2 other RD before we’d even consider moving him
He’s not going anywhere
And no, an extra 4th wouldn’t even remotely come close to persuading us to do so
I don’t even think a 1st would
Jokiharju is the only RD we have signed for next year
I wouldn’t say he’s untouchable, but we’d have to add at least 2 other RD before we’d even consider moving him
He’s not going anywhere
And no, an extra 4th wouldn’t even remotely come close to persuading us to do so
I don’t even think a 1st would
Okay man no offense. Dumo and a 1st for Joki is RIDICULOUSLY overpriced. You are seriously over valuing Jokiharju. If you were a gm and a team offered you Dumo and a first for Joki and you said no, you may as well just resign right then and there. You'd be idiotic to think Joki is worth a first....
Okay man no offense. Dumo and a 1st for Joki is RIDICULOUSLY overpriced. You are seriously over valuing Jokiharju. If you were a gm and a team offered you Dumo and a first for Joki and you said no, you may as well just resign right then and there. You'd be idiotic to think Joki is worth a first....
And you are idiotic to think we’ll even consider trading our only RH defenseman,
even though every Sabres fan on here tells you we won’t
And you are idiotic to think we’ll even consider trading our only RH defenseman,
even though every Sabres fan on here tells you we won’t
Pretty much every sabres fan on here is saying they would just for more value. You're out here asking for insane value for an average top 4 defender. Dont get me wrong I understand your argument of not getting rid of your only RHD, but for a top 4 defender and a FIRST?!?!?!?!?
As I mentioned in my description, I had no idea what market value on Joki was. Clearly I came in a little low, I was more-so just basing it off of Sabres reported interest in Dumoluin. But I also think you're way off for saying Dumo + 3rd is a bad deal, and you are absolutely crazy to think his market value is Dumo + 1st. John Marino is a way better dman than Joki, signed to similar term and about 1.5 mil more, at around the same age, and his market value wouldnt even be worth Dumo + 1st. Let alone Jokiharju's...
I'm sorry I clearly offended you but damn bro, no way you actually believe Joki is THAT good.
Pretty much every sabres fan on here is saying they would just for more value. You're out here asking for insane value for an average top 4 defender. Dont get me wrong I understand your argument of not getting rid of your only RHD, but for a top 4 defender and a FIRST?!?!?!?!?
As I mentioned in my description, I had no idea what market value on Joki was. Clearly I came in a little low, I was more-so just basing it off of Sabres reported interest in Dumoluin. But I also think you're way off for saying Dumo + 3rd is a bad deal, and you are absolutely crazy to think his market value is Dumo + 1st. John Marino is a way better dman than Joki, signed to similar term and about 1.5 mil more, at around the same age, and his market value wouldnt even be worth Dumo + 1st. Let alone Jokiharju's...
I'm sorry I clearly offended you but damn bro, no way you actually believe Joki is THAT good.
I’m not asking for a 1st
And i never said his value was a 1st
Learn how to read dude
I used that to try to get the point across that we are not gonna trade him
Here, I’ll start over
We aren’t trading him- THE END
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